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1. RL attacks AND RL Identifiable Information - strictly forbidden

Under no terms, absolutely none, are you to post any persons RL information or attacks pertaining to RL, no matter how minute, stupid, or 'funny' as it may seem. This is a highly punishable offense and will be enforced.

2. Harassment (repeated unwelcomed comments etc...) - strictly forbidden

Harassment can be clarified to include, repeated, belligerent nature on the part of one user towards another user.

3. RL Personal Threats - strictly forbidden
[These are the threats in an accusatory active voice, or future perfect if the idea is to circumvent the rule.

There will be no: "I will kill you.", "I will hurt you.", "I bet you would not fight me to back up your words." Baiting a RL threat response is not kosher. If you're discussing Dynamis, KSNM, Ballista etc... obviously "I will kill you" is not that same as a RL threat.

Any other possible permutations/combinations of making a threat, the action of detailing a personal intent to harm someone's RL physical state or RL property state, will be moderated and dealt with.]

Re-addressing:
Threadcrapping and Derails - Its not the cool thing to do. When threads go off topic from one flame to another "flame" then thats one thing. When threads go off topic from a flame to a picture posting festival, then threads will be cleaned and or locked. Your PC +1's will be likely taken care of as well. Any "/grabs popcorn" or "hurr hurr, he said the f word" posts will normally be cleared. If a flame can be carried on without skipping a beat after your post has been deleted, then it's probably going to be deleted

If you become a regular issue on this after a few times don't be surprised if you receive a warning and if it further continues, light infractions.

This is something that was also to be re-addressed because of the requests for locks due to several ridiculous derailments and incessant spamming.


Flames back to FFXI
Staff decision here. Flames need to start resorting back to FFXI and FFXI only. Afterall, if you look where its listed, its under "FFXI Discussion." Certain QCDN issues will be allowed, however it is encouraged that you attempt to resolve any issues pertaining QCDN in the Support and Feedback area.

Final Word:
Global Moderators/Admins - Situations will arise that these rules will not cover. Before, being biased was noted depending on your past behavior and your standing on the boards. Now, with a new crackdown to clean up certain parts of the forum, everyone will be treated the same.

-QCDN Mods and Admins
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1 2 and 3 .. understood and in some way useful.

and 2 less than the others.. some harassment is fun and leads to more interesting discussions, also the word harassment is so loosely defined that this can be easily misused. Repeated unwelcome comments... very few people welcome having shit posted about them so isn't almost every thread on the flameboard harassment in some form.

The rest is just stupid overmoderation. Who cares if some people just want to post stupid PC+1 crap all the time.

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What happened to the free for all. Now its no posting pictures or purposefully derailing threads to incompetent lengths. Now spamming continuous posts like WSM yea that needs to be handled but if someone feels like posting a picture of poop.. its the flame board let them post it.

As far as the flames pertaining to FFXI that has for a while been the standard but i as if there can be a RL issues "Spirited debate" forum that has the same rules as the flameboard so that we can have an open dialogue where we can call someone who wants to vote for Obama or McCain an idiot.

What is wrong with as long as its not a threat or identifiable information let it go. The moderation staff is just being stupid on this one.
 
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3. RL Personal Threats - strictly forbidden
[These are the threats in an accusatory active voice, or future perfect if the idea is to circumvent the rule.

There will be no: "I will kill you.", "I will hurt you.", "I bet you would not fight me to back up your words." Baiting a RL threat response is not kosher. If you're discussing Dynamis, KSNM, Ballista etc... obviously "I will kill you" is not that same as a RL threat.

Any other possible permutations/combinations of making a threat, the action of detailing a personal intent to harm someone's RL physical state or RL property state, will be moderated and dealt with.]
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This.

But..

If you have to resort to a RL threat on here..

You need to leave now or my laughter will surely break a rib of mine.
 
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bladewind~ said:
I can see this argument from both sides, and personally, i don't think it should be necessary to moderate the flame board because people would have a base level of human decency towards one another, unfortunatly thats not the case and i've seen posts that are honestly pathetic in respect to an argument.
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I see the rest of the modifications as a leg to stand on when garbage begins to fill the FB.
 
The rules now are mainly a reason for us to actually lock now. The flameboard has been going crazy, and not the good crazy like we hoped. Posts like /em gets popcorn out, or a picture battle bring away from what the flameboard really is. Most good flames get derailed after the first page and die off, which is sad.

And let's not bring up what the forum says under it. Poor Dino doesn't have access to change that part of the forum. :)
 
Dejavu said:
The rest is just stupid overmoderation. Who cares if some people just want to post stupid PC+1 crap all the time.
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More people than you think.

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What happened to the free for all. Now its no posting pictures or purposefully derailing threads to incompetent lengths. Now spamming continuous posts like WSM yea that needs to be handled but if someone feels like posting a picture of poop.. its the flame board let them post it.
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Says the guy that made a flame that wasn't even a flame. It was just "Hey, lets see how zany and wacky we can get, QCDN! Its not saying you *can't* post pictures, its saying if the thread turns into a picture fight, the threads become done or pointless.

Dejavu said:
What is wrong with as long as its not a threat or identifiable information let it go. The moderation staff is just being stupid on this one.
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It looks to me that is what it says, granted that what people have to say add to the topic or to a relative topic. There's plenty of other places where people can get there PC+1's in. Everyone knows a few by now.
 
Kudos to the modstaff for doing this. It's about time that place was cleaned up, thanks a lot.
 
Audino said:
More people than you think.
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I've never supported moderation of the Flameboards. If you'll all recall, the Flameboards had no, zero, none, problems before Sculli got all virtuous on us. Everything was FFXI and god damn was there some great flames for their entire duration, for the most part. Then Sculli screwed it all up and it hasn't been the same since. The only thing that should be edited out of the Flameboard are non FFXI topics.

With that bein' said this is all I have to say about this:

There are rules for every part of QCDN, even the Flameboard. Audino, you're here to protect the rules not bend them to your will. Stick to your job. If people are so weak they can't handle some internet bashin', that's natural selection at work.
 
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Strid said:
There are rules for every part of QCDN, even the Flameboard. Audino, you're here to protect the rules not bend them to your will. Stick to your job. If people are so weak they can't handle some internet bashin', that's natural selection at work.
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I clearly missed the part where it was still up for discussion, but I'll humor you. If things around here were bent to my rule, you'd see a lot more pink flying around. Things that happen are STAFF decisions, not one person's decisions. If you want, I can ask Miros and Arc to make you and all the other backlashers a corner called the "Billy Badass Club."

Listen to you talk about "natural selection" and the internet. I can't even stop laughing enough to elaborate. I'll go ahead and edit your Inappropriate comment though, with no infraction. Cause like drugs on the playground, I'm willing to let the first one free. -.^
 
Strid said:
I've never supported moderation of the Flameboards. If you'll all recall, the Flameboards had no, zero, none, problems before Sculli got all virtuous on us. Everything was FFXI and god damn was there some great flames for their entire duration, for the most part. Then Sculli screwed it all up and it hasn't been the same since. The only thing that should be edited out of the Flameboard are non FFXI topics.

With that bein' said this is all I have to say about this:

There are rules for every part of QCDN, even the Flameboard. Audino, you're here to protect the rules not bend them to your will. Stick to your job. If people are so weak they can't handle some internet bashin', that's natural selection at work.
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We aren't going all Sculli on anyone. You want to flame somebody on the game? Go for it. We're just aiming to weed out the weak flames. Weak flames are usually ones that don't pertain to FFXI.

Audino is actually doing his job. We're not taking out flames, just retarded items that follow in the flameboard.
 
Strid said:
They should all go kill themselves. I'm actually serious.

I've never supported moderation of the Flameboards. If you'll all recall, the Flameboards had no, zero, none, problems before Sculli got all virtuous on us. Everything was FFXI and god damn was there some great flames for their entire duration, for the most part. Then Sculli screwed it all up and it hasn't been the same since. The only thing that should be edited out of the Flameboard are non FFXI topics.

With that bein' said this is all I have to say about this:

There are rules for every part of QCDN, even the Flameboard. Audino, you're here to protect the rules not bend them to your will. Stick to your job. If people are so weak they can't handle some internet bashin', that's natural selection at work.
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FB wouldnt need moderation if people had some tact and some effing maturity. Seriously. Making a flame and someone responding with "Go fucking kill yourself" is silly.

There only reason good flames were back then, is because no one sat in there and jerked verbal baby batter on the keyboard hoping to get "lulz". Good flamers make good flames. Fail flamers just fail.

Edit: Bolded for your edited post. Just so you can see it loud and clear.
 
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Strid said:
I've never supported moderation of the Flameboards. If you'll all recall, the Flameboards had no, zero, none, problems before Sculli got all virtuous on us. Everything was FFXI and god damn was there some great flames for their entire duration, for the most part. Then Sculli screwed it all up and it hasn't been the same since. The only thing that should be edited out of the Flameboard are non FFXI topics.

With that bein' said this is all I have to say about this:

There are rules for every part of QCDN, even the Flameboard. Audino, you're here to protect the rules not bend them to your will. Stick to your job. If people are so weak they can't handle some internet bashin', that's natural selection at work.
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I don't see how you're saying its just about what Audino wants. There were plenty of members who stated they felt there was a need for Flameboard moderation including members of the moderation staff in this very thread. There were others who disagreed, but it was most definately not Audino against the world.
 
Audino said:
I clearly missed the part where it was still up for discussion
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You posted just today about it. If the issue was resolved or not up for discussion this thread should be locked.

Things that happen are STAFF decisions, not one person's decisions.
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Someone hasn't been keepin' up with their readin' in this very forum section lately.

If you want, I can ask Miros and Arc to make you and all the other backlashers a corner called the "Billy Badass Club."
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That wont be necessary. I'd hardly call myself a "backlasher" simply because I don't agree with you bein' a NetNanny for idiots. Reeve aside, you're the only staffer I've even bothered postin' about lately and I haven't even bothered to insult either of you.

Listen to you talk about "natural selection" and the internet. I can't even stop laughing enough to elaborate. I'll go ahead and edit your Inappropriate comment though, with no infraction. Cause like drugs on the playground, I'm willing to let the first one free. -.^
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Your "act" towards my concern lets me know I struck a nerve. You know, people who've done no wrong in a situation tend not to get so roused up. You're whole retort could have and should have been one thing, "I'm sorry you disagree but them's the beans." Don't let me get to you this time as well "-.^"
 
I don't think anyone has a problem with you posting your opinion, just the tone. Maybe your intentions were totally constructive, but it didn't really come of that way to more than one person apparently.
 
I think you may be reading too much into the new guidelines Strid. The main thing we are going to try to avoid is all the derails and whatnot that happen on the forum. The threads we see that go from a legitimate flame to "u have titz lul" "no u do!" "<pic of random titz>" etc etc. Not only that, but we're trying to bring the flames back to XI, which most of them are. However, there are some that are just plain...awkward and not really meant to be there.

I still say flame on (lol coming from me!), feel free to post your opinions, but try to keep them relevant to the OP. From what I've seen, you have so you shouldn't have to worry about this one bit. :)
 
Strid said:
Your whole retort could have and should have been one thing, "I'm sorry you disagree but them's the beans." Don't let me get to you this time as well "-.^"
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Well in that case, let her rip!
 
Audino said:
Well in that case, let her rip!
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The Game forums are fixed so I'll be takin' my leave from this bit of the boards. Hopefully for a long, long time. I had fun with though, thanks. You can blame Reeve if it'll help your heart, had he not buggered up the good forums I wouldn't have been here lookin' to play around.

No, really...

The main point I was tryin' to get across seems to be construed. Miros' post showed it to me because he normally "gets me". I wasn't dissin' the possibility for you guys to clean up the Flameboards. I don't care nor post, unless to tell someone to die (kek), in the Flameboards any longer as I no longer play FFXI. The thing I don't like is a mentality that I wished had died with Sculli. We don't need a NetNanny QCDNv2.0. If I tell you to go die and you can't handle it, well, that's just pretty sad. I don't want to see the Flameboards get a NetNanny and then, whooop, QCDN is fully NetNannied. I think you should enforce the rules that are there, take out the trash (de-rails) and let brain cells, or lack of, sort out the rest.

However, like all things internet, this is just my opinion, take it as that. So I think you overstepped your boundary, who cares? I'm just one fella and hell, I ain't lookin' to kill you over it. I'd have been more pleased with a "No one cares anymore" than with the response you gave me. I just had to play after that. To be honest, if you wasn't QCDN's self-proclaimed Harvey Dent I would have let it slide, it was just to ironic to pass up, given how he ended up and *what I think*.
 
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Strid said:
The main point I was tryin' to get across seems to be construed. Miros' post showed it to me because he normally "gets me". I wasn't dissin' the possibility for you guys to clean up the Flameboards. I don't care nor post, unless to tell someone to die (kek), in the Flameboards any longer as I no longer play FFXI. The thing I don't like is a mentality that I wished had died with Sculli. We don't need a NetNanny QCDNv2.0. If I tell you to go die and you can't handle it, well, that's just pretty sad. I don't want to see the Flameboards get a NetNanny and then, whooop, QCDN is fully NetNannied. I think you should enforce the rules that are there, take out the trash (de-rails) and let brain cells, or lack of, sort out the rest.
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I get that "to Sculli" is still an applicable verb to some of the old-timers of the board. To say its NetNanny or CareBear-ish I don't think is fair. The majority of the site wants to see good flames, but they want to see good flames that are dumbed down to people telling themselves to "kill themselves." Aside from it being one of the more harsh attacks, it shows a sign of "I have nothing left" and gets anyone nowhere fast. Seeing a point/counterpoint/rinse and repeat argument is much more entertaining, a more provocative read and makes our site/userbase/server look better.

Strid said:
However, like all things internet, this is just my opinion, take it as that. So I think you overstepped your boundary, who cares? I'm just one fella and hell, I ain't lookin' to kill you over it. I'd have been more pleased with a "No one cares anymore" than with the response you gave me. I just had to play after that. To be honest, if you wasn't QCDN's self-proclaimed Harvey Dent I would have let it slide, it was just to ironic to pass up, given how he ended up and *what I think*.
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I really don't care that much, tbh. The guidelines are in place and no ones changing them anytime soon. I will not, however, dodge anyone posting in regards to them. I could have just said "too bad, Strid" to myself and kept quiet pretending you never posted. I had a small back and forth with Excalibur in this thread before, but as I also said, all feedback was welcome. There's no longer feedback required, but the thread is still open for people to post their thoughts since the guidelines are sticked and locked. If anything, I like you. You stick to your guns and you won't change. There's been stuff in the past we've posted about in agreement of. (O&A, Party Rock - if you remember that one)

QCDN's Harvey Dent isn't self-proclaimed either. A user called me that and I thought it was funny. I know people out there are like "lolz, bandwagon dark knight avatar sonuva bitch" but it was something I thought was funny. It's an inside joke and I don't expect judgemental people to quite understand =P

So who knows. Maybe I'll stick around long enough to see myself REALLY become a villain. OH NOES.
 
I can definitely understand where you're coming from Strid. I don't want to be a netnanny. I'll be honest, I don't want to deal with that. Posts that are usually "die and go kill yourself" are sort of clumped into a reality bites type of category that I will have to nanny for. The main thing that I see from this is if somebody uses a post from RSI to attack somebody in the flameboard...well frankly I'm not up for that. There are some items that need not be in the flameboard.

It's mainly like Dino said. The flameboard just needs to go back to having good posts. And since I love secrets, but love making people wonder, I'll just say...BIG changes are coming in the future. :)
 
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