Valkyrs

gir said:
Arien I think the operative phrase in your argument is #2:



However, I would add to that: Don't trust anybody in Valkyrs.

After all, it was their actions that created this situation. It's like the family that got sued when a burglar broke into their home, fell and broke his leg. They were on vacation. He won that lawsuit. Shifting the blame to our members is like saying they deserved to get sued.
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Anybody = everybody

I'm happy to see that someone understood part of that.

/clap


However you must also realize that if you assume that everyone in a certain LS acts a certain way just on the basis of a couple of people's actions you are only making an ass out of yourself. ^^
 
but you see the ls is a fualt when they used the ston to pop byrako. They know this that why they not replying.
 
hellstorm said:
but you see the ls is a fualt when they used the ston to pop byrako. They know this that why they not replying.
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lol. They really need a spelling/grammar check on this thing.
 
gir said:
Skaw, I've been playing since NA release as well. Like you, with work and other commitments, I don't have the time to do all the things I'd like in this game. It's really limited my availability in sky. What right do you have to tell me what sky LS I can and can't join? Established LS's often have the attitude that "no sky experience" = "not recruited". Or they're not actively recruiting at all, because who wants a new guy with no sky gear? That just means more time in sky for the whole LS.

If you're pissed about CC'ing on top of established timeframes, well I'll tell you it was our established, scheduled farming session that Valk took advantage of.

I know where you're coming from. My time in sky is severely limited by RL commitments. It's worth a lot to me. So why can't others respect that? Your argument rests on the assumption that some people's time is more valuable than others, which stinks of elitism.
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And your arguement isn't similar? Skaw's attitude may be a little elitist, but it is also realistic. During established farming hours, plenty of shells CC valkyrs. NA & JP. People have to take parties up there to Ulli outside of farming time to get him. You can't expect everyone to play the game by your established farming rules, and you can't expect everyone to treat you different because you have less time. You are playing an MMORPG, a MMORPG with endgame set up so that there is no way to avoid conflict. If you don't have time to commit to that, i don't know what to tell you. Just look at different areas of end game, like land kings: shells like JDA, Piko, or even Kaizen. Do you think their members have a problem with time commitment? Don't they already have a lot of land king gear? How much longer do you think they'll be in Aery? Do you think they would give back a faf/nid because one person made a mistake and screwed everything up? Ulli's room is slowly turning as competative as Aery, and unless you are on the dev team, nothing will change about it.
 
I've camped that stupid statue for 15 hours before ._.; got claim, lost claim, sigh'd and went to bed.
 
Caerloc said:
Almost came of like that cool guy again.
Almost. Practice a little more. You will get there, im sure.
When you turn 16.
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Lol?
And I guess you think.
That typing like this.
Makes you cool.
Wrong.
Answer.

Oh and did you ever figure out what you were originally trying to say? Or did you just let it waffle out like one of Fire's pointless statements?

Let it waffle eh? Figured as much.
 
The problem with arguing with someone like you, is that you are quite obviously too stupid to understand even when you've been proved wrong.

You doubt a line of one of my arguments, bolding only half of the sentence. I tell you to read the sentence as a whole. You refuse. You continue your inane argument. What is the point? I could spend 10 hours coming up with a perfect argument, airtight, quoting every source, giving specific URLS. Dumbing it down to your intelligence which is obviously very low, and you'll simply pick out some line, make an incorrect argument that it has no validity, and ignore all proof I show you to contrary.

It's like I'm arguing with a 5 year old who will always respond with "You are that but what am I?" to everything I say. I've come to the conclusion you know I'm right but are arguing anyway for the pointless reason of trying to piss me off. You go off on saying how my argument is invalid, but you give no reasoning.

This is all pointless. You stole the damn NM. You stole the damn stone. Maybe you should either give it back and save some face, or at least take the apologetic attitude some of your more mature members like Synicle have and say you feel bad about it. Although I know you don't feel bad about it, because you are afterall, a selfish asshole. You could at least pretend you feel bad to save a little face.
 
Im gonna have to side with Firestreak on this one.
Arien seem to have the maturity of a 15-year old, memory of a 5 yearold,
and the intellect of a 3-yearold.
There is just no reasoning with a guy like that, cause he only sees what
he wants to see, and hears what he wants to hear.
 
Skaw said:
Telling me how to play my job almost every day I'm there gets fucking annoying. If Valkyrs is still in doubt over why I completely stopped coming, maybe they missed me telling this member off in linkshell chat.


And yes, my schedule means I virtually can't make a single run. When I get off work Varies. It means I would be able show about an hour at the most, and once when I had to leave early because I was sick during farming(Despot didn't pop yet, but I was there for a good 40 minutes or so for him,) I wasn't credited as farming for him. So why bother showing up for that 60 minutes or less, if we don't get anything during that time, meant that I wouldn't have even been there, in essence.

My leaving Valkyrs doesn't even concern you. I still have a pearl sack, I might try and go back when I get a better job, so just shut the fuck up about it, Firestreak.
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Oh yeah, poor Skaw has to hear people giving him advice about how to serve his LS better, what a bunch of assholes. Notice it was enough to make you leave Valks after you got your gear, but beforehand you were able to put up with it. If people pissed you off why didn't you just quit right away? Why stick out with it, and why the change of heart?

And yeah... since 1 month after Osode, with your busy schedule... how many times you been up in sky farming? Sure... maybe 9 out of 10 days your schedule doesn't permit it. Maybe 19 out of 20 you can't get up. How many months has it been? How many times have you been up? Why did you keep your Osode? Did you earn it fully? Did every member who helped you get it get your help for all their gear?

Why am I harping on this? Why aren't I shutting up about it. Because you're acting like a fucking douchbag telling all the new Sky LS they should get the fuck out of sky and leave it for the old guys. YOU'RE ONE OF THE REASONS THE OLD GUYS ARE EVEN STILL THERE. You know who should get the fuck out of sky? Us older shells, who have been killing Kirin for months and months. But people keep leaving the shells, and to replenish our numbers we keep coming back to sky.

What right does an LS that's killed over a hundred Kirins easily have to rob a Byakko from an LS that's not even killed one yet? Where is the sanity in that? Where is the human compassion? And then you got Skaw coming in from his perch in Jeuno, feeling ultra mega uber with his Osode and Haidates, telling the new guys to get the fuck out cause they aren't worthy.

Fuck that, I'll call you out.
 
Fire has a very very good point there everyone. If you don't get the first time, reread it. It makes one helluva lot sense.
 
Firestreak said:
What right does an LS that's killed over a hundred Kirins easily have to rob a Byakko from an LS that's not even killed one yet? Where is the sanity in that? Where is the human compassion?
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Better elaborate on this a tad. I mean this part mostly.
 
Firestreak said:
What right does an LS that's killed over a hundred Kirins easily have to rob a Byakko from an LS that's not even killed one yet? Where is the sanity in that? Where is the human compassion?
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Kat said:
Better elaborate on this a tad. I mean this part mostly.
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Or how about a Kirin? looooooooool Technically the seals weren't stolen, but you get my drift about how this ordeal was worked out.
 
Firestreak said:
Oh yeah, poor Skaw has to hear people giving him advice about how to serve his LS better, what a bunch of assholes. Notice it was enough to make you leave Valks after you got your gear, but beforehand you were able to put up with it. If people pissed you off why didn't you just quit right away? Why stick out with it, and why the change of heart?

And yeah... since 1 month after Osode, with your busy schedule... how many times you been up in sky farming? Sure... maybe 9 out of 10 days your schedule doesn't permit it. Maybe 19 out of 20 you can't get up. How many months has it been? How many times have you been up? Why did you keep your Osode? Did you earn it fully? Did every member who helped you get it get your help for all their gear?

Why am I harping on this? Why aren't I shutting up about it. Because you're acting like a fucking douchbag telling all the new Sky LS they should get the fuck out of sky and leave it for the old guys. YOU'RE ONE OF THE REASONS THE OLD GUYS ARE EVEN STILL THERE. You know who should get the fuck out of sky? Us older shells, who have been killing Kirin for months and months. But people keep leaving the shells, and to replenish our numbers we keep coming back to sky.

What right does an LS that's killed over a hundred Kirins easily have to rob a Byakko from an LS that's not even killed one yet? Where is the sanity in that? Where is the human compassion? And then you got Skaw coming in from his perch in Jeuno, feeling ultra mega uber with his Osode and Haidates, telling the new guys to get the fuck out cause they aren't worthy.

Fuck that, I'll call you out.
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You're a clueless window watcher who doesn't know the whole story, Fire. He didn't get on my nerves until after I got the Osode, cause really, he wasn't there until just before it happened. The schedule conflict happened after I got it too. Most of the members when I joined has theirs as well. We had a really good drop rate on Osode. If I wanted to leave after I had gotten everything, wouldn't it make sense that I stick around for the Pole, which I was either 2nd or 3rd for in Queue when I stopped going, and D. Body? Again, you know nothing of it other than the fact that I stopped going, get your nose out of the business.

I believe I earned it, yes. When there were overtime camps, and unscheduled days, I went. They stopped happening though. I clocked most of my play time while I was an active part of Valkyrs in sky, and some of the nonsky time helping members with their quests, so don't patronize me on that part. Everyone wanted to stop earlier, and start earlier. My schedule was already having me show up late to begin with, moving the camps earlier was really problematic.

No one really had an issue with me not showing up either. No one sent me a tell with "Why'd you stop?" The only time I ever got a tell was during a one week break I took to get some EXP back, cause like I said, most of my play time was clocked helping Valkyrs out, Villarel wanted to know if I was done exping or not. And the occasional tell from Ryme saying everyone missed me there after I stopped showing up.

I'm not a part of another sky shell, countercamping Valkyrs. I wouldn't do that, cause that would be fucked up. They're free to ask me to help them if they've run into overtime camping and they're still there when I get off work, I have no problems with that.

They knew why I left, and didn't have a problem with it, so whats your deal? Seriously, quit the PMSing, it doesn't concern you in the slightest.

Do you want an overcrowded sky? Are you even still doing sky yourself? Theres nothing wrong with telling people the obvious, sky will get too crowded if new shells keep springing up. I didn't say they can't go, or that only the original shells and their members belong there. Hell, if you join one of the older shells, chances are you'll get your stuff faster. More problems like this will start, especially with mobs that have severe spawn conditions, like Ulli, and Steam Cleaner. Things will boil worse if more shells keep getting pumped out.


And calling me selfish just makes me giggle, I have so many items loaned out to people, they didn't even expect I would. Like Kat's currently borring my Enkalydos Bracelets, and Aerdrie is borrowing an Astral Earring.
 
Firestreak said:
The problem with arguing with someone like you, is that you are quite obviously too stupid to understand even when you've been proved wrong.
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Trust me, when you and me are conversing, it is not me that has the deficiency.

Firestreak said:
You doubt a line of one of my arguments, bolding only half of the sentence. I tell you to read the sentence as a whole. You refuse. You continue your inane argument. What is the point?
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I read the whole line, only the part in bold mattered. The rest of it was bullshit anyway.


Firestreak said:
I could spend 10 hours coming up with a perfect argument, airtight, quoting every source, giving specific URLS.
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Sorry to be the one to inform you of this but this isn't possible for you. But don't worry, you still have a little hope left...maybe.

Firestreak said:
Dumbing it down to your intelligence which is obviously very low, and you'll simply pick out some line, make an incorrect argument that it has no validity, and ignore all proof I show you to contrary.
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Actually it was me who was dumbing it down for you. I had to break out the bold button to keep your mind focused on one thing for an extended period of time.

Firestreak said:
It's like I'm arguing like a 5 year old who will always respond with "You are that but what am I?" to everything somone else says. I've come to the conclusion that I know I'm right but I'm going to argue anyway for the pointless reason of trying to piss you off. I go off on saying how my argument is invalid, and it always is.
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Fixed.

Firestreak said:
This is all pointless. You stole the damn NM. You stole the damn stone. Maybe you should either give it back and save some face, or at least take the apologetic attitude some of your more mature members like Synicle have and say you feel bad about it. Although I know you don't feel bad about it, because you are afterall, a selfish asshole. You could at least pretend you feel bad to save a little face.
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I didn't steal anything. Was not there for any of it. Did some people in my LS do something shady? Yeah, they did. Do I care? No sir. Sky has been overcrowded for awhile now, this won't be the end of stuff like this. It wasn't the beginning either.
 
yanzi said:
how is saying they shouldn't flame a LS the same as saying a LS can do whatever they want? my example about aruba was only about principle, the one when if someone has done something bad, you blame the whole. the fallacy of the sum of all parts or something. that in no way is saying that valk can do whatever they want as you claim which is an endorsement of LS or person(s).
please come up with more delusional claims. <3
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You ignorant idiot.
Villarel is your ls leader.
that "Kid" just lives there.
What's the difference ?
George Bush fucks up -->>> AMERICA is bad.
KID fucks up -->>> Aruba's "George Bush" Fucks him up
Villarel fucks up -->>> Valkrys is bad.

Now that I put it in the 12 year old version, you may now understand.

And Furthermore, Arien....
I understand you want to defend your ls.
But what you are saying is completely wrong.
Villarel stole Because ls mistake NO
Villarel stole because he felt like it YES

what does that say ?
Depends on the mind of the beholder.
We lost Ulli. We're pissed.
You guys kill Byakko for the 100+ time. Nothing.

I hope you understand this may be a new linkshell but I have been in that Kirin room fighting Kirin a lot of times. I know my shit.
I am trying to help these people.
I dont care about what ya'll think, it is just wrong of you to do that.

My past is not that great.... But Caerloc was in that ls I fucked over.
AND HE"S STILL DEFENDING THIS.

How do you think the new members feel when we told them no Byakko. because Ulli got stolen. Some left and even Joined larger ls' because we still dont do Kirin.

Thanks to greedy people like you.

And believe me I can find another bigger ls to join.
But why? I like leading this 'scrubs/skynewbs' around sky.
I'll stand till they all get all the items they want.
That's dignity.
Look at your ls. You don't even know what the fuck more to do.

Fuck you. I dont want the stone back
Fuck this thread.
You all make me sick with your greedy selfs.
 
Arien said:
Anybody = everybody

I'm happy to see that someone understood part of that.

/clap


However you must also realize that if you assume that everyone in a certain LS acts a certain way just on the basis of a couple of people's actions you are only making an ass out of yourself.^^
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QFT.

Yanzi, I guess Arien just shot down your line of reasoning.

However, when it's the decision-makers, the leadership of an LS that performs those shady actions, then you can certainly question the direction that LS is heading. I think the members of Valkyrs who had no part in these actions and wish to retain their integrity should do exactly that: question their leadership and question if they should be a part of something dishonorable, or if they should instead speak up and speak out.
 
If there is one thing for sure I can back up, it's that Skaw is far from selfish. In fact, he is a very giving person of not only his time helping people out, but also his items if it is in his power to help.

But, I also agree with Fire that if the people who join a shell wouldn't leave after they get the items they do, us older shells would be done with sky and it would be a different situation up there as far as overcrowding goes. Face it guys, there are a lot of selfish people who play the game. None of us can deny that fact. Fire, I just don't think Skaw is one of those people.
 
gir said:
QFT.

Yanzi, I guess Arien just shot down your line of reasoning.

However, when it's the decision-makers, the leadership of an LS that performs those shady actions, then you can certainly question the direction that LS is heading. I think the members of Valkyrs who had no part in these actions and wish to retain their integrity should do exactly that: question their leadership and question if they should be a part of something dishonorable, or if they should instead speak up and speak out.
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how so?
i already said you can't clump the LS under the actions of 1 person. the statement above only affirms it.
 
gir said:
question their leadership and question if they should be a part of something dishonorable, or if they should instead speak up and speak out.
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Not everyone brings all their issues to QCDN, you are false when you think think that just because poeple aren't questioning on here, they aren't questioning at all. A lot of people don't even read QCDN, therefore they don't post on it. The only reason I ever do is because I am bored at work. But there are also two sides to every story and the version I heard from the people in my LS that were there is completely different from the story told here. I choose to believe my friends, leaders, and ls mates over people I don't even know and have never even seen in game. I wasn't there, however, I have been away (aside fro one Limbus) for about a week. So I'm not going to post any more on this subject because I didn't see it with my own two eyes.
 
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