advice for a 63 DRK rdm's please post a comment if you can:D

ya thatd probably help more than any gear could give you. Discussion and open conversation helps better than anything you could do yourself.

Teamwork ^^

Course the other guy has to want to talk about it too =P
 
i calculate it out so when refresh ends, it will leave me roughly at 107 when the fight is over.
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I know I prob will get flamed for this but.....

If I was in your party and saw the 107 I'd prob not give you refresh that often either. Ya but I am a Bad redmage anyway so there, beat ya to it ^^
 
Wow, that's so little mp. I couldn't imagine only having that much! :( I'm a 58 drk mithra and I have 254 mp w/o any major mp gear on (just valk mask).

I would definitely recommend having at least the galka rse to macro in when your mp is nearly full from a refresh so that you can hold just that much more until you have the chance to use it.

And Darkdante, chill out dude cause no one's flaming you. After reading through the topic, the only person I see being hostle is you. :roll:
 
i've looked over my gear and decided to replace my af gloves and legs(the last two pieces of af i use) and go with dune bracers +65 mp and tiger trousers wich add +4 att. the loss from my af gloves should be brought back by the trousers.

on another note, i've recently partied with some rdms that managed to keep me refreshed at all time, even at the end of the fight when one refresh had just wore off. when i party with that type of rdm i thank them for making my job fun again. after i thank them they reply, and i will add they reply very consistantly, "i'm a refresh whore". when i sit there for 20 straight(that number is not exaggerated) i just hit att and thats it, what kind of fun is that. and not having refresh for more than 2 or 3 fights happens alot. when i ask for refresh sometimes i'll either get it, or i will get "wait i have an order" when i get the latter i often see the rdm doing melee and ws for 30. i'm very observant of what is going on in my party. like a whm the other stood for the whole pt. even with tons of time between having to do anything. or a pld not resting for mp (i'm guessing to save for ws?).

i've learned how to do my job without stealing hate(which is hard :p) by maximizing my mp useage (not casting enfeebles or elemental magic) and i believe i do it well. part of being in a party is adjusting to the parties needs. like when i sub war so i can get the shit kicked out of my by some mob, so a thf can do sata. or when i have to pull because we have no thf, and the other guy doesnt carry a ranged. these are some of the things that are asked of me, and sometimes these things lead to death because of the low defense(197) no buffs. a couple of doulbe attacks and i'm ass up thanking god that we have a whm. when i have a thf in my party i die at least once that party. not every other job can say that. without a thf i dont die(barring all links and pops, just fighting). there isnt an rdm out there that is asked to possibly die by tossing me a refresh when i have 3 mp left. i dont care if i get refreshed everyfight. i can live just casting abs dex for that extra 7.5 acc(i'm losing 3 dex with the dune bracers >.<;) but what i wont live with is someone (the blm in the case of the party from my first post) telling me i'm not getting refreshed because me using my 107 mp is a waste. if i didnt want any magic i would've been a drg and did skewer or penta thrust for 100 damage, instead of guillotine for 500-1000.
 
On a side note, I do actually try to refresh most darkknights every fight, I"m not the greatest but i try my best.

I must emphasize "TRY" though, in other words if i'm in one of you darkknights parties and you don't get refresh do me a favor and not post my name all over these boards.......
 
Darkdante said:
On a side note, I do actually try to refresh most darkknights every fight, I"m not the greatest but i try my best.

I must emphasize "TRY" though, in other words if i'm in one of you darkknights parties and you don't get refresh do me a favor and not post my name all over these boards.......
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lol, i can live without refresh for a few fights, but being a war with a scythe for 20 fights fucking sucks.

on the note of mentioning names neche, svina, jorvis, and another rdm i just cant remember his name, have kept me refreshed during every fight. i thank them because that allows me enjoy my job and be involved in a fight, not just hit attack and wait for the next fight to hit attack.
 
My thoughts is get two electurm rings and that'll cover a spell at the start, then switch back to your real fighting gear right away. I've seen galka plds do this, it's much more effective.

About rdms, I think a good rdm is going to be busy doing the rest of their job to refresh every fight, but I think every other fight should be expected if you're willing to actually use your magic, drks are just like pld in that they're 3/4 melee, 1/4 mage. A drk is never going to be at their full potienal and behind the other jobs if they don't use that magic. A drk without magic is only playing 3/4 of their job and if they use abs agi/vit for normal battles, and dex/str for SCs, even better.

But you know what, bards with ballad(s) are cooler, AOE refresh :P
 
Here is my take on this. First and foremost DRK are not there to be nukers. You'er there to do damage and not to be a Gimp BLM. If you can debuff a mob to help speed things up great, but debuffing should be left to the mages.

IMO accuracy equip > MP gear. Hit first nuke later. If your concerned about no MP refresh, take some yagudo drink with you and refresh your self inbetween RDM refreshes. The key is to know when to use stun and debuffs and not spam it. I will just cause unneeded hate generation on you and waste MP.
 
i dont remember the last time i debuffed or nuked anything lol. i use they abs spells to boost my stats up. stun when the pld hits the red, and if the mob starts running around, i'll stun to keep mages from getting thumped, and let pld get hate back.
 
partied with meeze today....
great DRK....
as he said he is good at keeping up with TP.....
we were usually neck and neck most of the time.....
also a good fast voke when i pulled....

think its honestly one of the only times that i've gotten 5k+ exp per hour without being in a cannon..... we had a good nin too^^
 
shoulda been an elvaan meeze!
im 61 drk, we have met lol
and my MP is at 198 with no items to boost mp at all.
I also have the best in accuracy and strength i can find in items.
I know what u mean about needing the MP tho, i am a stun spammin fool lol.
 
if i was elvaan i'd have to run with my neck stuck out like a chicken :p
 
Drk & MP

IMHO: You have adjust to every situation.

If Red Mage does not refresh you:
1. Don't cast too much abs spells. (I don't cast any to save for stuns)
2. Save mp for emergency Stun.
3. If I have MP to cast abs. I cast abs Mind before SC to help the MB.

If Red Mage Refresh you:
1. Cast some abs spells. (don't go Crazy though :wink: )
2. Make sure you have some mp for Stun.
3. If I have MP to cast abs. I cast abs Mind before SC to help the MB.
4. MB with the blm ... sometimes :)

As for the theory that Refreshing DRKs might slowdown the EXP per hour.
If Us (Drks) cast our abs spells:
1.We (the party too) can hit mobs frequently = more TP = SC = MBs (abs MIND help MBs) = Dead mob. This could result in faster exp/hr.

If the RDM is Main healer then He/She is def. busy as hell so if you don't get Refresh don't get mad. (I played RDM till 45 and had experience being the main healer >.<, BUSY BEE I tell you.)

Meeze as for MP gear. If the Red Mage Refresh you. You can boost your MP at the begining of fights by putting on MP gear. Cast your favorite Abs spell. Swtich back to your fighting gear. (I have Equip change Macro for STR,DEX,ACC,DEF as well just to be ready for what I need.) Then go repeat for next mob.

You should not be scared to ask the rdm if you can have Refresh. Politely I might add :wink:. If he/she says no, then we have adjust to it.

Hope this help Meeze.

Daremo,
Hume
70/35 Drk/thf
 
Re: Drk & MP

Daremo said:
As for the theory that Refreshing DRKs might slowdown the EXP per hour.
If Us (Drks) cast our abs spells:
1.We (the party too) can hit mobs frequently = more TP = SC = MBs (abs MIND help MBs) = Dead mob. This could result in faster exp/hr.
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I think this theory frequently shows up not because of the darkknight job, but simply because darkknight is usually at the end of the refresh chain.
The darkknights are there not because they are the "least" important, but because they can still contribute to the party without mp, vs a mage with no mp would be pretty useless.

And when time and total mp start to wittle down, especially during fast xp chains and having back up mp for cures, you have to make choices, and unfortunately sometimes its the end of the refresh chain that gets the raw deal.

Its usually thought I think, that the darkknight can contribute alot anyway without mp, even though hes alot greater with it. And by not refreshing him you might have just enough back up mp to save someone with a cure "just in case". All of this is situational of course, but I think this is why this theory is brought up so often. I"m not saying this is "right" or "fair" to you darkknights because its probably not, I'm not even saying this is good for xp, but with all the choices we have to sometimes make, the truth is this one makes it easier to play redmage and still do a decent job of it.
 
if that refresh is going to save someones life you are leveling in the wrong zone to begin with, when you are in good to great parties you finish most chains at about 20-30% mp, a short rest and your starting your next chain.
i agree i shouldnt be priority and i very much accept that, but when we have a few min rest, from afk or something, and rdm is a kneeling position at full mp while i'm standing with 3 mp...

i've been with enough good rdm's to know that when i'm not getting refreshed there is a miss management of time happening, and not always necessarily with the rdm, sometimes the whm is over using his mp, but somewhere something isnt right.

as far as me letting the refresh keep going even when i'm full, i'll often cast like absorb vit at the end of fights when i know i will end with enough mp from the refresh. its easy to figure out how much left over mp there iwll be.
 
meeze said:
if that refresh is going to save someones life you are leveling in the wrong zone to begin with, when you are in good to great parties you finish most chains at about 20-30% mp, a short rest and your starting your next chain.
i agree i shouldnt be priority and i very much accept that, but when we have a few min rest, from afk or something, and rdm is a kneeling position at full mp while i'm standing with 3 mp...
with enough mp from the refresh. its easy to figure out how much left.
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Very true if your not getting refresh in that situation then somethings wrong.

But I don't agree with the first blanket statement "You are leveling in the wrong zone to begin with". This may maynot be true but it's too much like saying "Refreshing a darkknight slows xp". I must admit I am not always gifted with awesome parties everyday, but I do get them often. Being that its not everyday, for whatever reason sometimes saving that mp honestly does help. For sleeps, cures, hastes whatever.

I don't agree with you saying your not a "priority" either, even though you may feel that way. Because refreshing the darkknight is a "high" priority to me, its just is it a "higher" priority than other things, namely sleep, cures, etc.... I don't have all the answers :(
 
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