DOMA ruled Unconstitutional!

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/09/us/09marriage.html?pagewanted=1
BOSTON — A federal judge in Massachusetts found Thursday that a law barring the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, ruling that gay and lesbian couples deserve the same federal benefits as heterosexual couples.

Judge Joseph L. Tauro of United States District Court in Boston sided with the plaintiffs in two separate cases brought by the state attorney general and a gay rights group.

Although legal experts disagreed over how the rulings would fare on appeal, the judge’s decisions were nonetheless sure to further inflame the nationwide debate over same-sex marriage and gay rights.

If the rulings find their way to the Supreme Court and are upheld there, they will put same-sex marriage within the constitutional realm of protection, just as interracial marriage has been for decades. Seeking that protection is at the heart of both the Massachusetts cases and a federal case pending in California over the legality of that state’s ban on same-sex marriage.

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In the case brought by Attorney General Martha Coakley, Judge Tauro found that the 1996 law, known as the Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA, compels Massachusetts to discriminate against its own citizens in order to receive federal money for certain programs.

The other case, brought by Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders, focused more narrowly on equal protection as applied to a handful of federal benefits. In that case, Judge Tauro agreed that the federal law violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution by denying benefits to one class of married couples — gay men and lesbians — but not others.

“This court has determined that it is clearly within the authority of the commonwealth to recognize same-sex marriages among its residents, and to afford those individuals in same-sex marriages any benefits, rights and privileges to which they are entitled by virtue of their marital status,” Judge Tauro wrote in the case brought by Ms. Coakley. “The federal government, by enacting and enforcing DOMA, plainly encroaches upon the firmly entrenched province of the state.”

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The arguments concerning the 10th Amendment and the spending clause, if upheld, would “take down a wide swath of programs — you can’t even list the number of programs that would be affected,” he said.

By citing the 10th Amendment and making what is essentially a states’ rights argument, Professor Balkin said Judge Tauro was “attempting to hoist conservatives by their own petard, by saying: ‘You like the 10th Amendment? I’ll give you the 10th Amendment! I’ll strike down DOMA!’ ”

Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the University of California, Irvine, School of Law, was more supportive of the logic of the two opinions, and said they worked together to establish a broad right of marriage for same-sex couples.

“The key issue in this case, and in all litigation about marriage equality for gays and lesbians, is, Does the government have a rational basis for treating same-sex couples differently from heterosexual couples?” he said. “Here, the court says there is no rational basis for treating same-sex couples differently from heterosexual couples. Therefore, DOMA is unconstitutional, and conditioning federal funding on compliance with DOMA is unconstitutional.”.

A central issue in the fight over the constitutionality of California’s same-sex marriage ban is whether laws restricting gay rights should be held to a tougher standard of review than the “rational basis” test, and so Judge Tauro’s decision takes a different path that would eliminate the need for that line of argument, Professor Chemerinsky said.

“There’s no need to get to higher scrutiny if it fails rational basis review,” he said.

Oh fuck yes! Finally some sense in the world. This case could essentially turn into a Loving v. Virginia scenario if it weathers the appeals process well.

Should we be expecting Tea Party goers and conservatives of their ilk to jump on board now? It's fightin' fer yer 10th Amendment!

Cue Sarah Palin talking heads spouting "ACTERVIST JUDGES!"
 
I wouldn't celebrate until the appeals process was completed.
 
Oh come on Raes, don't be a party pooper :P

It's in the administrations best interests to see DOMA go down because a. It was a repeated campaign promise, b. supporting an appeal would be perceived as actively working against said promise, much like the horribly worded DoJ brief last yesr. That in conjunction with numerous concessions given to hard-playing Republicans under the guise of "bipartisanship" would not bode well for Obama if he's looking at a second term. It will all be about voting blocs and seats soon.

Let's not forget that it's just a plain unjust piece of legislation. There are some very real constitutionial concerns here.
 
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Oh, I'm with you on it, trust me. It's so blatantly unconstitutional I can't believe that it was ever made into a law in the first place.

Then again, I find the legal institution of marriage to be somewhat unconstitutional, when you get right down to it.

I just wouldn't celebrate until it either gets through the Supreme Court or the appeal gets dismissed.
 
I'm with this, even tho i consider myself somewhat conservative, I'm for legalizing gay marriage, mainly because I don't like the idea of the government even having the authority to determine what is and isn't a real marriage, if its 2 consenting adults, THEY should define what their relationship is, the government should just but out. (outside of the tax breaks you get as a married couple, wich gay couple should have access to all the same benefits of regular couples)

I mean, even the most wide right conservative would agree that a gay couple should be able to spend their life together, and have "civil unions" or whatever, they just don't wanna call it marriage, so basically we are denying an entire segment of this country a right, just over semantics, that ain't right imo.
 
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Part of my reluctance to celebrate just yet is that, while I feel the law is cleary unConstitutional, the rationale used by the ruling judge may leave enough wiggle room for his ruling to be successfully challenged. His ruling, by the way, was that it is up to the STATES to define marriage.

Problem there is that the federal government has meddled in this area BEFORE, fighting polygamy, and been supported by the Supreme Court in its meddling.

Personally I feel it falls under Equal Protection, and that the legal (abd tax code) status attached to marriage is itself unConstitutional for the same reason.
 
in my opinion america isnt a very religious country(well theocracy would be more accurate) so why they have stuff like doma in place makes no sense. When it says for the people and by the people, discriminating against a few of them doesnt really add up to me; well hopefully you get what you want since gays/lesbians still get taxed lol.

Tbh because of how openly the constituition can be interpreted I think its just a matter of time before marijuana and same sex marriage becomes legalized; not an advocate of either it's kinda funny when its not realy in the case of same sex marriage the union isnt unlawful but the tax benefits aren't.

Polygamy and tax benefits in America could be seriously abused its scary to think what happened if that passed. Even in America some things shouldnt happen, polygamy is probrably one of them due to potential abuse of the system and from a religious/personal standpoint most people that use it truly couldn't love more than one person equally, and take care of each of their kids equally and not turn it into small brothel.

Sorry for the digression, carry on
 
I'd point out that a couple of your complaints against the legalization of polygamy are similar to those used by opponents of homosexual marriage.

Ultimately, the government has NO FUCKING BUSINESS getting involved in the personal lives of its citizens, save when there is blatant and demonstrable risk, particularly to other people, involved. If you want to have polyamorous relationships, homosexual relationships, heterosexual life partnerships, YOU SHOULD BE PERMITTED TO DO SO.

And the real kicker is, the government shouldn't be REWARDING people for getting married. Period. The government is constrianed by the Constitution to treat all of its citizens EQUALLY, not give preferential treatment to people who participate in particular social conventions considered mandatory by select portions of the population.

So sure, have marriage of every conceivable flavor. I don't care. But don't give some of them tax breaks and not others. Better yet, treat them all the same: Give them nothing.

Another page in the Raestopia Manifesto.
 
I think the main difference is that a polygamous marriage would require special or additional legislation to address the myriad of rights bestowed to couples under the law - particularly when it comes to things like welfare, child support, and joint tax filing. Same-sex relationships on the other hand are just a clear copy and paste of existing legislation applicable to hetersexual marriages. The law is designed for two consenting adults. It shifted over for miscegenation, and it should shift again now.

There's no slippery slope here. If your throwing in several other spouses, that's an entirely different ball game.

@Raes: I know it's too early to celebrate victory, but it's nice to celebrate that finally after all this time the first step has been taken in the constitutional arena.
 
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True that polyamorous relationships would require new legislation if we continue the current model of marriage laws as social engineering, but that's not the reason that they were attacked to begin with, obviously.

But back on topic, the reason I caution is because while I believe the judge is on firm Constitutional footing, his ruling is built on extremely shaky precedent. Extremely shaky as in none at all. As in, precedents in the Supreme Court said the exact opposite in some ways.

I hope that, when the inevitable appeal comes, that the Supreme Court just tells them to stuff it and automatically upholds the lower court's ruling. But until that happens, I won't get overly excited about any sort of victory.
 
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