I got sold, but I didn't let them take delivery.

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So long story not so short:

I posted my resume on careerbuilder.com to try and get some bites on possible secondary or a new primary job. Within a day of posting it, I get a call from a mysterious company that I didn't fill out an application for, but turns out it's the very same one that my roommate had *just* gotten home from an interview with. They called themselves "Vision Quest Consulting." I've come through research to understand that this is a division of Cydcor, a marketing firm. Now, I don't have a stellar resume, as I've only held entry level positions before, but they had promise of an account executive position. I learn from them that they are aggressively hiring to expand business, so they are fast tracking people to a branch manager position within a year to two years at the company. No experience required. So, too good to be true right? Wrong. It's true. They do, in fact, have plenty of opportunity for growth in the company. There are several success stories per branch of the people there.

Now for the buts. After doing research online there were some strong tips that this is not a legitimate place to jump to. The first problem I found was that the company did not have a website, at least not one under the name Vision Quest. After doing a little googling, I found who they are owned by and whatnot. The link below shows an article that has a more in depth description of how things work at the business and how it's technically legit. However, after reading stories from *many* folks that worked for these types of companies, I've come to see that it's just not right for me.

The second problem is just how aggressive they hire. I got a call a day after posting my resume, not even, which has happened to me before so no big there. They asked for an interview the very next business day, ok so not that weird but suspicious. They declined and outright refused to give me any information other than times and address over the phone, getting real strange, but ok. I get to the interview and it goes *really well*, I know I'm good with interviews, so not shocking. The partner who interviewed me is one of the top 6 most successful in the company, and like me, started with no experience in the field of sales marketing.

The thing that really irked me was that they pretty much told me that I had to come back for a second interview the next day, not really giving me time to arrange for a day off my current job to come, but I still managed to do it. After all my research, despite how positive I left that interview, I've decided to call and cancel my second interview in the morning. I'm not willing to spend an 11:30 to 7:30 shift doing an "interview" which is glorified shadowing, just to figure out that what was sold to me as a sales marketing position, is actually door to door solicitation.

My roommate, as mentioned before, went to that second interview, and I learned what his day was like and it didn't sound that bad. However, they told him at the end of it that he could have the job, but, he'd have to start the next day and told him that if he delayed the job wouldn't wait for him. He needs at least a week to get his previous job finished up, so as not to burn a bridge on a whim and to keep up a reference. That's not an option for them. They require instant hire; no ifs, ands, or buts.

Ball that all up with this being a 100% commission based job, something they don't tell you till they give you the job offer, so at the very least wasting up to 12 hours of your time and travel expenses without pay. It's just not worth my time. I'm just ashamed that both myself and my roommate were sold on what boils down to a MLM with a severely high turnover rate. They're certainly good at what they do, but it's really shameful to sell hopeful people on a promising career, and then shoving them head first into door to door B2B sales at 100% commission in a poor economy. Not only do they do that but the pretty much guarantee you that if you can meet your goals you get scheduled promotions, which in under a year will lead to having your own company that does the very same thing, and you're the branch manager who continues the cycle.

In the end, I was sold, but figured out the game before signing any paperwork. Especially in this down economy, one has to watch out for just how twisted some companies are getting. Be careful about the jobs out find online, if it's too good to be true, it usually is. Or even if it's not, you'll have to be perfect to succeed. Do you research, which you should before the first interview so you look better at it when you understand what it is they do. If it's not up front and honest, don't do it. You'll save yourself the embarrassment and financial losses, and spend that time and money on finding the legitimate job that is right for you.

Here's the link to one of many "glowing reviews" of the practices of said company, which has changed its name more than 3 times in the past year, so it's hard to find any listing on things like the better business bureau.

http://cydcor.pissedconsumer.com/cydcor-the-ad-group-tag-pyramid-scheme-employer-20080902133726.html
 
Where on earth do I recognize Vision Quest Consulting from?

Hmm... Wasn't that name in a movie once? Gah, I can't remember >.< but I really recognize the name from something.
 
The Egyptians built pyramids on the shoulders of a high turnover rate too, Taur. Don't be ashamed at yourself. I've gotten calls from people like this before and if they don't give me the information I want immediately, I effectively tell them to fuck off and don't call me back.
 
i have a crappy ass piece of shit TV from a company called vision quest. suffice to say if i find their hq, it's going to burn
 
Reminds me of the time i got tricked into coming to a thinly disguised "cutco" knives interview.

I knew something was up when i was looking around in the waiting room and there were motivational posters all over the wall. with cheesy ass lines like "aspire to climb as high as you can dream!"

I walked out of the interview within 5 minutes when I heard "knives"
 
Reminds me of the time i got tricked into coming to a thinly disguised "cutco" knives interview.

I knew something was up when i was looking around in the waiting room and there were motivational posters all over the wall. with cheesy ass lines like "aspire to climb as high as you can dream!"

I walked out of the interview within 5 minutes when I heard "knives"

LOL them be some good knives tho, I have a set at home LOL.

Yeah taur, shameless companies like these prey on the poor souls who are desperately trying to find a job. All it boils down to is free marketing for them while you spend money traveling from neighborhood to neighborhood tryin to sell shit to people who really cant afford to make unnecessary expenses.
 
I actually worked one of these jobs, and can give you a few of the dirty little secrets behind them:

They will hire anyone. If you need a week, most likely they will wait for you. Since you're 100 percent commission, it really doesn't matter if you're late, leave early, or whatever. They're still banking off you if you sell something, and run zero risk if you don't.

You CAN actually make a good amount of money, but you have to be pretty good, and you have to put in the hours. I was there for roughly 4 months, and had good weeks and bad weeks, but I'm also not a particularly good salesperson. I'm too honest. We were doing DirecTV sales, and if someone asked "Will this go out in bad weather?" I usually replied with "Probably". I also wasted alot of time talking to people I knew weren't going to buy anything, but I just found generally interesting. There were a number of people in my office who were excellent at what they did though, It just wasn't for me.

Travel will get expensive. Obviously, be prepared to buck up for all your own lunches and gas. That stuff adds up.

When you are eventually promoted to an "Account Manager" type position, watch who you hire on and who you reject. I was taking people on those "shadow" type days about 4 times a week. I'd estimate that I kept about 10% of the people I had. Some guys will bring on everybody and hope they pan out, but personally I'd rather have 3-4 quality workers under me than 20 half-assers to keep track of.

Pioneer an idea. Your boss will love you for it, and if it's good you can make some money. I actually had this great idea about 4 months after I quit. If you're doing any sort of Smart Circle cards or whatever, call some local businesses and see if they'll let you set up a stand in their place. Supermarkets, Wal-Marts, whatever. Take 8-10 different types of cards with you, and let the business come to you. Don't approach or harass anyone in the store. We tried something similar with the DTV stuff, and it worked out surprisingly well. You can see 300-400 people in a day as opposed to maybe 60-80 going door-to-door or business-to-business. Of course, you'll have to get your boss to bite on this idea.

All in all, the job is a basic pyramid scheme. They show you some bells and whistles to start to lure you in. You've clearly already figured that out. For me at the time, it was one of few options. My eventual demise came when I just wasn't making enough money to justify the amount of hours I was logging, but if you can power through the shit times, it can pan out to a legitimate opportunity.

I'm curious to hear more about it if and when you start, because the rundown you gave so far sounds EXACTLY the same as mine did, including the name changes and everything. Best of luck buddy!
 
I have nothing but horrible experiences with commission only sales jobs, and will never take one again. Worked for about 6 months at T Mobile, I saw alot of shady things there, and everyone i worked with was one of those WAAAY to confrontational prick salesmen, and they were all total "bros" to boot.

Never trust a cell phone salesman, they will say or do anything to get you to sign that contract.

also, if you find a desperate one, you can get all kinds of free shit.

When i worked at t mobile it was like 60 to 100 bucks for every contract sold, so one of the salesman giving a free phone holster/charger/case at cost to themselves to sell the phone was not a rare sight.
 
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I have nothing but horrible experiences with commission only sales jobs, and will never take one again. Worked for about 6 months at T Mobile, I saw alot of shady things there, and everyone i worked with was one of those WAAAY to confrontational prick salesmen, and they were all total "bros" to boot.

Never trust a cell phone salesman, they will say or do anything to get you to sign that contract.

also, if you find a desperate one, you can get all kinds of free shit.

When i worked at t mobile it was like 60 to 100 bucks for every contract sold, so one of the salesman giving a free phone holster/charger/case at cost to themselves to sell the phone was not a rare sight.

I did that, got free blue tooth, holster, charger, and memory card off the guy. Go verizon!
 
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