PLDs getting more invites?

[Nycon]

In my experience, a well equipped and skilled PLD will hold hate regardless of lvl (as long as Provoke is available) over a Ninja. This is not including meritted jobs however.

Yes, until you have a idiot (insert lvl 70 and above DD job here) who uses there JA and Weaponskills right off the bat... Good luck holding hate then. Your saying if a RNG uses its full attack and JA's before your 2nd Voke, you can hold the mob on you? Maybe with SATA, but I doubt it if you dont' have THF in pt.


Edit: I'm sorry, didn't see the "over a Ninja" part.. my bad.

 

[hellstorm]

that why hate imps if you wait till secound provoke good chance you wont get ws due to amesia

 

[mugenteg]

pld have better hate. with a really good pld i could sub war and get haste on my monk and not have too much to worry about. i have only found maybe 2 nin thus far i could say that about.

Party with me bitch and make that 3

 

[Tim Wakefield]

I was using PLD for a BCNM yesterday, and was on it for no more than 20 minutes and got 2 invites (Level 62). I didnt get 2 invites in 20 days when i actually used the damn job. Figures...

 

[K. Ishitar]

If the PLD isn't able to keep hate long enough within the first few minutes to take enough damage to cast a Cure IV, then he needs to reconsider his gear (and possibly skills)

In my experience, a well equipped and skilled PLD will hold hate regardless of lvl (as long as Provoke is available) over a Ninja. This is not including meritted jobs however.

/nod

(extra letters)

 

[Zerayla]

I was using PLD for a BCNM yesterday, and was on it for no more than 20 minutes and got 2 invites (Level 62). I didnt get 2 invites in 20 days when i actually used the damn job. Figures...

It has to be because of teh subligar!!!!!

 

[Jakey]

look what we have here, a loldrg making fun of another job!

owned

I don't know which side to take ><

I will admit my best merit PTs never included a pld but I've gotten close to 20k per hour on pld before so pld can do ok and pld is an ideal tank for a number of fights.

drg pwns what more is there to say

 

[xena]

look what we have here, a loldrg making fun of another job!

owned

Loldrk

 

[Jeska]

Cure4 spam wont give you any hate unless there is HP to cure.
And if there's enough HP to cure to actually spam Cure4, well, then the whole "who can hold hate" question is solved.
Cuz it obviously isn't the tank.

If a dark knight is in full souleater mode after a gullotine ws you bet there is hit points to cure with Cure 4 or a sam that just did his latest big ws and is now ducking behind my pld body or a little "Cover", read up on PLD's again maybe rampart now gives a magic shield to the entire party that attracts major attention now, even sentinal no longer loses the hate it used to and a well-placed shield bash or 300tp spirts can still get a mobs attention even post 70.

And yes, invincible gives decent hate.
But it's a 2hour ability so you cant really take that into calculation in an exp/merit pt because the DD's will deal the same amount of dmg every fight.
And you cant really hold pulls til Invincible is ready again
Pld's do have many ways to get hate, but all but voke and flash is on a pretty long timer and you can pretty much only use one of them / fight, (In exp/merits that is), to be able to keep the chains going.

lol long timers eh? Voke is 30 secs a go and flash is 45, with haste those are reduced even moreso, add in rampart, sentinel, shield bash, warcry, ws, cure 4, even holy (I can be a very spammy PLD if I want attention lol) and you have quite alot of hate being created by me.

This is why nin is better at holding hate in exp/merits late 70's.
They deal close to the same amount, sometimes more depending on gear, of damage as your DD's.
With voke on that, and hojo/kurayami, you're set for some easy tanking.

You forgot the ninja's best trick of all there, Mijin Gakure, least after my 2 hr I am still standing up fighting lol

 

[Reko]

If a dark knight is in full souleater mode after a gullotine ws you bet there is hit points to cure with Cure 4 or a sam that just did his latest big ws and is now ducking behind my pld body or a little "Cover", read up on PLD's again maybe rampart now gives a magic shield to the entire party that attracts major attention now, even sentinal no longer loses the hate it used to and a well-placed shield bash or 300tp spirts can still get a mobs attention even post 70.

lol long timers eh? Voke is 30 secs a go and flash is 45, with haste those are reduced even moreso, add in rampart, sentinel, shield bash, warcry, ws, cure 4, even holy (I can be a very spammy PLD if I want attention lol) and you have quite alot of hate being created by me.

You forgot the ninja's best trick of all there, Mijin Gakure, least after my 2 hr I am still standing up fighting lol

First off, let me just congratulate you on missing every point of the discussion... but here goes.

If you cant hold hate from 1 ws from a samurai, or a drk for that matter, you should head back to the dunes...
But yes, if the drk uses souleater, it would be a good idea to cure him since it will provide you some hate.
And I'm fully aware of the hotness of both rampart and sentinel these days.
But what I've been saying is you can't use them EVERY fight in an exp situation...
And same goes for the 300% spirits within. You dont get 300% in one hit, so once again your idea fail in an exp situation.

I never said a PLD cant hold hate at gods, or HNM fight, that's relatively easy as long as people play smart.
This discussion was about an exp/merit pt session.


Like I said:

Pld's do have many ways to get hate, but all but voke and flash is on a pretty long timer...

And yet again you can't use all those abilities every mob you pull in, unless you hack and reset the timers while your puller is out fishing.
Are you?
Or ofcourse, if all your pt's utterly suck and take over 5 minutes to kill every mob...


Yes, Ninja's 2hour is only good for saving yourself exp when you're going down, or want to save a charge on your Warp Cudgel.
Invincible is one good 2 hour, never stated otherwise.




[Edit]

Voke is 30 secs a go and flash is 45, with haste those are reduced even moreso

No, "those" are not reduced even moreso.
Flash is, Provoke is not, affected by haste.

 

[pakomen]

I've gotten close to 20k per hour on pld

Tell me you're shitting me. Because every job I play is screaming FUCK YOU MAN.

 

[Skaw]

long timers eh? Voke is 30 secs a go and flash is 45, with haste those are reduced even moreso, add in rampart, sentinel, shield bash, warcry, ws, cure 4, even holy (I can be a very spammy PLD if I want attention lol) and you have quite alot of hate being created by me.

"those?" Haste doesn't decrease ability timers. Why would you waste MP casting Holy as well? With less MP you could cast two Cure III's and create more hate than one Holy, as well as keep your hp up in the process.

 

[Mishaela]

Where've you gotten 20k/hour, if I may ask? The best I've gotten is 15k/hour off Colibri at L67 (66? were semi-high IT solo), and that was with zero people at that camp. Even then, it dropped to about 12k/hour once I hit 68.


Also, Holy is the single worst thing to happen to Paladin.

 

[Jakey]

greater colibri full DD gear (I have 4/5 homam and a ton of other great DD gear from drg) in a very good melee cannon I didn't really tank that much but I would get the birds off the brd, mainly just healed people taking advantage of my huge amount of refresh and tried to do as much damage as I could.