QCDN: Being a Retired Member.

[Hexx]

A bunch of self-righteous bullshit.

Man, you really do think highly of yourself dont you? Get off your high horse and realize that you sound like a complete, and utter idiot! :lolhorse: For all the fancy words and attempts at sounding intelligent, your manner of writing does not flow the way it should. The written word should be fluid, and meaningful, yet all you spew (via your keyboard) feels choppy and fake.


Honestly, Raesvelg put it best, but I feel like this will fall on deaf ears, for you are so high up above us that nothing that is said to you will reach you.

Simple enough, move on. If you're THAT great, and your life is SO wonderful, why do you feel the need to tell others? Me thinks you are trying too hard to convince yourself that your life is so great (which means your life actually sucks). Making vague comments about your "ultimate success" being inevitable only makes you sound like a pompous prick which makes getting your grievances noticed a lot more difficult.

:nopity: Here's to you Anttaru, I hope your life TRULY is as great as you say it is.

 

[Tagrineth]

Raes is FTW.

 

[Tristam Green]

Ant, I only have these few things to say. Nothing in this post is going to be about you, about me, about the lovely fights you and I have gotten into over the years, but clarification on your own questions. I'll even leave the entire post intact, so my meaning isn't taken out of context by anyone.

Here's something for you to think about.

Why is it, when someone sincerely says something along the lines of.... "Life sucks, i have to deal with this and that and everything I wish for it is going down the drain and I'm very depressed."....

People feel for that person then offer support and even the negative leave them alone ?

Of coarse that's not a bad thing. But when someone is proud and boasts a positive attitude toward life. They end up sounding conceited ?

Generally speaking, there is a fine line between Pride and its big nasty uncle Conceit versus Humility.

I sound like this cause I'm more than pleased with how my life is, and I reached a point where my ultimate success is inevitable. QCDN is one of those details in life I don't take for granted and the focus of my post was about QCDN.

I explained why i find QCDN less appealing these days, and it has less to do with me being glad I'm me, and not some of these pricks that like to provoke others against the rules here.

My beliefs are often ridiculed here. Notably I spoke about them on 1 occasion. Yet I have them thrown in my face when someone hasn't anything better to say when they feel the need to get on my case.

Raesvelg handled all this expertly.

To constantly ridicule ones belief is a type of harassment. In QCDN, this type of behavior is what they call flame baiting. This must be the FIRST time out of many I had the Mayans thrown at me in the flame board. It always happens against the rules OUTSIDE of the flame board, and my retaliation landed me infractions, and sometimes I would be the only one receiving a penalty. That is only 1 reason out of many I'm losing interest in this place.

Here's where I have a small problem. How do you *know* you were the only one penalized for saying anything? Unless you have insider information about other persons' infractions or the other user involved has expressly told you about their infractions (sidebar: information that would have to be provided by moderation staff since they have access to the information themselves, and that very action itself is unethical to the utmost), you simply don't know.

This thread was originally made in the "Reality sinks in" section. By no means did I have any intention other than to share my point of view regarding QCDN with honest reasoning.

And that's fine. I moved it here as part of the rules. I read in the OP yet another rant about QCDN staff and how shitty a job we're doing, so I relocated the thread to the Flameboard, which allows certain QCDN-related rants. Even at that, this type of topic certainly still doesn't belong in "Reality Sinks In", as opposed to say "Forum Feedback and Support", as a feedback item.

I'm against the "MJ Good Riddance" thread for a few reasons. One of them is, the mod framed the one who started saying what those who mourn didn't want to hear, also used a pretty harsh title for this point in time, (Jackson wasn't even buried yet) that's a pretty demented statement for someone to carry even for someone who is glad MJ is gone. Another reason is, it should be placed in the flame board as it is not right now.

Again, Raes has explained this expertly, as all parties involved in the minor dispute surrounding the thread(s) have reached a quick and painless resolution.

I highly doubt that the "Good Riddance" thread will be moved to the Flameboard, simply because it doesn't keep in line with the Flameboard nature. If a decision comes down to move it, I certainly won't be the one to move it myself.

As for me and this post. I was hoping to see some more humane members I can connect with. I see 2 or 3 decent feedback so far, plus I was offered a permanent ban.

You were not offered only a ban. You were offered options to what seemed to be a "should I stay, or should I go" moral quandry about your future at QCDN. It just happens that one of those options happened to contain what amounts to a self-imposed exile ban, much like Moink requested time and time again.

What I wrote has been called "incomprehensible" and he was sure I used a "thesaurus". I don't know if i should be flattered, or insulted. But one thing is for sure, that is a very irrational thing to assume regarding those 2 attributes. I'm no editor, but I'm sure I spelled everything correctly, with one typo, so to anyone willing to follow the belief what i write is really a poor format. It would be best to look into it yourself. So long as what I write is understandable is what matters to me. And apparently most people do understand. They just take it the wrong way.

It's equally important that other people understand what you're saying as well, not just that you understand it. I'm reminded of a story of a girl who was in a creative writing class, and the teacher instructed the students to write using "their own words".

The girl handed in a paper that had gibberish all over the pages, and when approached by an exasperated grammarian of a teacher as to what sort of game was she getting at, the girl simply replied: "These are my words. You told us to write in our own words, so I made some up."

It's more a safeguard against yourself so that your intentions don't get taken out of context.

So yes Thelona. My life really is glorious with many details. Look at what I had to cope with in QCDN in the past, and now. In board terms, I can honestly say 3 of my trolls showed up. And some complete strangers telling me to STFU, all within 2 pages. Although it's quite redundant but not totally boring, I would have preferred kindness. That aside, one who knows me in person and knows of my progress, they would ask me why do i even bother with a site like this ?

You bother for the same reason any of us bothers. You bother because it's a place to display your 3d modeling, to ignite debate somewhere you feel fit, or any other reason.

You don't think any other person on here has been the target of some sort of harrassment or e-bullery? To think so is egocentric at best. There are a long, and ever-growing list of pink and dull yellow names that represent the people who have displayed their worth to this site, be it through bullying other members, harrassment, spamming, real trolling, or any other amount of "forum offenses".

The users who deal with it? They've never sought pity for what they endured, and I'm willing to wager they all also lead rich, fruitful lives.

 

[Anttaru]

I'll reiterate a few key points.

First off, your post was largely incomprehensible. Either English is not your first language, or you were simply never taught how to communicate properly, but in either case, what you wrote was, for lack of a better word, awkward.

I never claimed to be the best writer. All this is your opinion, so be it.

Stilted, forced, with words thrown in obviously more for regard to their complexity rather than their appropriateness.

I mean exactly what I say. All words I used are all correct for what I'm trying to convey, and they can be used by anyone having their visions come to life. And please, highlight these complex words you suggest I'm using. I admit i was in a more rare state of mind, I'd say what alarms you is how I used these words. You just don't see it that way.

The grammar was atrocious, the parsing was pathetic, and in general it lurched along in a near-painful fashion.

There you are. Your right about one thing. It is indeed done in a near painful fashion. I miss how things use to be. The main element to that would be the amount of garbage I see in the Reality sinks in board. Maybe a news flash board would fix things. I really have little interest to hear about dumb people doing dumb things the media jumps on and feeds us. I'd rather hear about the members here.

In short, as a means of communicating your ideas, the post was a miserable failure, in no small part because you seemed to want it to look "significant". If you lack sufficient mastery of the language to convey your message with the sort of poetic lyricism you seek; simpler, more prosaic prose is best.

I'm sorry. But "My life is awesome, and my machines are going to be real" Just doesn't reflect enough just how amazing this is for me.

Secondly, in regards to your complaint that a proud stance garners contempt... You are entirely incorrect.

I mentioned that I was proud of myself. In no way did I suggest pride is the source for contemptibly. To say that I complained about something I did not is one thing. But to complain about pride being some sort of emotional safe zone ? Very silly Rae. Let's not make those kind of assumptions.

What garners contempt is, rather, the assumption of a mantle of superiority, particularly in an anonymous medium such as an internet forum.

Excuse me ? I've been a member here for years, there is nothing anonymous about me and here. Perhaps you would rather use the term "random" But even so, all internet forms have unique specifications the members need to abide by. Supremacy does indeed exist in forms like this. And I assure you, the idea of it is more within you than it is I. You don't see me pointing fingers marking someones openness and grading their English skills do you ?

Use of the word "glorious" was perhaps ill-advised, and while "exceedingly detailed" is functionally nonsense in context, it certainly sounds pretentious enough.

Dude. My life has become fantasy like. Like you would not believe. What drives you to think you know what the deal is with me, is probably because you think I'm playing. However it is noted that using such a word will land me some problems here. Having to deal with people who take me for an idiot and such.

I sound pretentious. I almost like the sound of that life is so good. But let it be known your reasons for even bringing that up is from a hollow source.

Third, the stated complaint about the splitting of the Michael Jackson thread was, frankly, a waste of time. The two sides agreed that the split was a wise decision, more or less, and I don't recall anyone in particular complaining about that split. If you really wanted to convey a sense of injustice, you'd have been better served to invest the effort to find a more egregious example of "mod abuse".[/quote]

Untrue. Eilistrae is the victim here. With the opportunity to edit he quotes: I would like to clarify that I did not make this thread and that I did not name this thread either. My post in the original thread was merely used to make a new thread, which I did not ask for to happen.

I know how Eilstrae feels. I've been there. Notice how he stated how he never named the thread either. It may seem ok to you, but in my opinion, Eilstrae got served a cold dish. Also that thread belongs in the flame board not next to a thread along the same lines. In QCDN, efficiency is a practice.It's really up to the mods to make acceptations, but the content in there does not appeal to people wanting to read content on a more positive note. Also we can't have several thread talking about the same thing. the new sorted out thread is no different than the original, we have people defending Mike, and people bashing him, it's even more popular than the original. Toss it in the flame board where it belongs is my suggestion.

And finally, conspiracy theories will deservedly attract ridicule. Get used to it.

Heh you had to go there, off topic. The reasoning for my thread even ending up here in the flame board shows more face.

I deliver speculation in search of opinion. To pass off a rare point of view as conspiracy theories is unwise in my opinion.

My beliefs don't surround assumptions and what might have been. My beliefs are comprised of fragmented facts that all point in the same direction. It's not so liner as one watching a video presentation and rubbing chins.

Is it too much to use the word transformation ? Cause that is what happens when someone has to step away from what they believed in all their life and deal with what appears to be the real freaky truth. Many souls don't have the type of courage to question and examine what they have been taught.

To laugh and ridicule another view is all for the sake of emotional safety with closed channels. It's not good to ascend like that. It lowers the potential for extended consciousness on the next level. Life is part of our making.

 

[Linhjah]

It always happens against the rules OUTSIDE of the flame board, and my retaliation landed me infractions, and sometimes I would be the only one receiving a penalty.

You have no one to blame but yourself for any infractions/punishment you receive. Provoked or not, you chose to respond in a manner that violated the rules instead of just reporting the post and letting the staff handle it.

I'm against the "MJ Good Riddance" thread for a few reasons. One of them is, the mod framed the one who started saying what those who mourn didn't want to hear, also used a pretty harsh title for this point in time, (Jackson wasn't even buried yet) that's a pretty demented statement for someone to carry even for someone who is glad MJ is gone. Another reason is, it should be placed in the flame board as it is not right now.

The Good Riddance thread is not FB material. Please reference the FB rules, specifically the part about how flames should be FFXI related. I don't really understand why you think it belongs in the FB.

I created the title. It was supposed to sound offensive to differentiate between the content inside that thread as opposed to the content of the original MJ thread. The content of many post in the Good Riddance thread is way, WAY more offensive than the thread title itself. If you are offended by it, I would recommend you not read it.

I don't understand your beef with the bolded section.

There were people who disagreed with the split and voiced their opinion to me. Sorry you didn't like the decision, either, though you seem to have different reasoning than the others. I will say that a PM is a much more respectable way to voice your opinion on the matter, and I appreciate those who chose to communicate their sentiments via PM as opposed to making a thread about it.

That aside, one who knows me in person and knows of my progress, they would ask me why do i even bother with a site like this ?

As someone who doesn't know you in person or anything about your progress, I'd ask the same thing. Its nothing personal. Its the same thing I tell people who bitch about how shitty their relationship/job/hobby/etc. is... Why would you devote time and energy toward something you don't like? Just move on and find something that makes you happy. You aren't doing anyone (least of all yourself) any favors by remaining in a situation you don't like.

 

[Linhjah]

Untrue. Eilistrae is the victim here. With the opportunity to edit he quotes: I would like to clarify that I did not make this thread and that I did not name this thread either. My post in the original thread was merely used to make a new thread, which I did not ask for to happen.

This clarified that bolded section I didn't get in the last post I made. Eilistrae is not a victim. He edited his post to explain the situation, and please check post number 62 in that thread where I indicated that I had split it from a separate thread.

 

[Anttaru]

I apologize for that. Like a few others, I thought it was an auto-generated "QCDN sucks" post and wanted to tweak you a little. Realizing you're serious, my comment just makes me look like an asshole. That's not one of the notes I want you to go out on.

That's a very heart felt thing to say. Very warm. Thank you Hal I very much appreciated that when i read it before I made that post to Rae. I'm not gay or anything, but I can see you know how to pick up guys.

It not so much my plan to just go away. Forums like this one can easily house my account while I drop in from time to time. Not saying I'd be missed by you or anyone if i did leave. But caring for your own dignity between you and I is very honorable and means a lot.

 

[Raesvelg]

I never claimed to be the best writer. All this is your opinion, so be it.

It's not really a matter of opinion. There are such things as grammatical rules, and while most people (including myself) break them on a fairly regular basis, there are limits.

I mean exactly what I say. All words I used are all correct for what I'm trying to convey, and they can be used by anyone having their visions come to life.

The words are arguably correct, yes.

Your method of employing them is, however, not.

I mentioned that I was proud of myself. In no way did I suggest pride is the source for contemptibly. To say that I complained about something I did not is one thing. But to complain about pride being some sort of emotional safe zone ? Very silly Rae. Let's not make those kind of assumptions.

To quote, "Of coarse that's not a bad thing. But when someone is proud and boasts a positive attitude toward life. They end up sounding conceited ?"

That's a complaint, by you, about how your statements regarding how wonderful your life is were received. Specifically with a negative response, typically one of contempt.

I'm wondering if you comprehend exactly what I wrote, given the rest of this paragraph.

Excuse me ? I've been a member here for years, there is nothing anonymous about me and here. Perhaps you would rather use the term "random" But even so, all internet forms have unique specifications the members need to abide by. Supremacy does indeed exist in forms like this. And I assure you, the idea of it is more within you than it is I. You don't see me pointing fingers marking someones openness and grading their English skills do you ?

Did your mother name you Anttaru?

You are operating anonymously.

Yes, we have a moniker to attach to your posts, but that is not your real name. Functionally everyone on this board operates under varying levels of anonymity.

As for the rest of this paragraph, I have to conclude that you're still smoking something, because aside from the crack about grammar nazism, it makes no sense.

Dude. My life has become fantasy like. Like you would not believe. What drives you to think you know what the deal is with me, is probably because you think I'm playing. However it is noted that using such a word will land me some problems here. Having to deal with people who take me for an idiot and such.

Good for you. I never stated, nor even implied, that you were in any way lying about how wonderful your life was, or that I had some inside angle on the truth of the matter.

What I said was that your choice of adjectives was perhaps ill-advised, given the context.

You argue that your intent was to convey the idea that your life is going extremely well, and as a result you have less time to spend on this site. What you actually conveyed, repeatedly, is the idea that your life is going extremely well, and as a result you are somehow better than this site, and by extension, better than the people who use it.

That is the kind of thing that garners a distinctly negative reaction.

Untrue. Eilistrae is the victim here. With the opportunity to edit he quotes: I would like to clarify that I did not make this thread and that I did not name this thread either. My post in the original thread was merely used to make a new thread, which I did not ask for to happen.

Eilistrae asking for it or not is irrelevant. Mirewen, who posted the original topic, was unhappy at the derail on multiple levels, and while I empathize with Eili that the title was perhaps more offensive than required, it certainly conveys the general theme of the posts questioning why anyone is sad that MJ died.

And, frankly, if you walk into a thread like that, and post what she posted, you should perhaps be willing to accept the responsibility of having your opinions advertised perhaps more widely than you originally planned.

I deliver speculation in search of opinion. To pass off a rare point of view as conspiracy theories is unwise in my opinion.

You make the mistake of assuming that people simply read what you write and automatically dismiss it as more conspiracy theory fodder peddled to the gullible.

Which it is, but it only takes about 30 seconds to determine that. It's not that we don't give it any thought at all, it's that realizing the truth is roughly as difficult as tying one's shoes, and takes about as long.

The world will not be destroyed in 2012. There is no government conspiracy to conceal the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrial visitors. Etc, etc.

 

[Tagrineth]

I wouldn't bother with him Raes, he can't read worth a damn and can't write much better. You'll just end up getting pissed off and frustrated at him, most likely, as he continues to dance around the actual subject matter you're trying to "discuss" with him.

 

[Anttaru]

Here's where I have a small problem. How do you *know* you were the only one penalized for saying anything? Unless you have insider information about other persons' infractions or the other user involved has expressly told you about their infractions (sidebar: information that would have to be provided by moderation staff since they have access to the information themselves, and that very action itself is unethical to the utmost), you simply don't know.

One of them is when I got an infraction for addressing you by name. You found it fit to intervene when Skaw was expressing irrational behavior with me and you joined him. I can find that thread easy.

The second time that post was made private. I got an infraction for flame baiting, which is kind of as joke considering I don't like flaming all that much, That thread I cannot find because according to my list, it has been made private.

2 Infractions by Arctyrael very shortly after you blew your fuse. Did you receive any infractions by Arc ? I don't think so, cause every time Arc nailed me, he would express in public how he'll shoot you some rate ups as soon as possible. To me that looked like a high five. Those are the only 2 infractions I've received, and they were the result of you attacking and flipping your lid when I delivered a solid enough cuff to your mind.

I don't want to have to track every single one of our scraps or post a screen shot of my small infraction list. But if i did, I'm sure we'd all see why I'd find you worrisome as you are now.

And that's fine. I moved it here as part of the rules. I read in the OP yet another rant about QCDN staff and how shitty a job we're doing, so I relocated the thread to the Flameboard, which allows certain QCDN-related rants. Even at that, this type of topic certainly still doesn't belong in "Reality Sinks In", as opposed to say "Forum Feedback and Support", as a feedback item.

Admittedly, it is rude to say a moderator is doing a terrible job.

Again, Raes has explained this expertly, as all parties involved in the minor dispute surrounding the thread(s) have reached a quick and painless resolution.

That's good to know. Still I think it would have been the same result if it were kept in 1 bottle. Everyone from the Parent thread if you will, was there in the new one.

I know this was an attempt to make members happy. But from another perspective, it's not the same as the efficiency value when the mods actually merge threads. The merged thread suppresses repetitive noise, and it preserves the interest levels of the surrounding threads, keeping them more toward the headline. The separation of the Jackson thread poses a negative level of content on the boards list, and the board itself has a pretty heavy name.

If i were the first to say "Michael is Bad" (pun intended) then people had to see my name carry the MJ Good Riddance at first glance, I would be dumbfounded, cause many would just look at me and shake their head without even reading the thread.

Over all, it's good to hear things leveled out in there, but I think it would have been more pleasing to the participants themselves if it got resolved under a unified MJ thread, cause it's kinda sad that it even had to be separated in the first place. People should know better.

I highly doubt that the "Good Riddance" thread will be moved to the Flameboard, simply because it doesn't keep in line with the Flameboard nature. If a decision comes down to move it, I certainly won't be the one to move it myself.

I don't think it would be moved either. I also don't think it will be merged.

I don't mean to escalate my opinion on the whole ordeal. That was just one of many tiny little nick knacks when combined makes me think the way I do.

You were not offered only a ban. You were offered options to what seemed to be a "should I stay, or should I go" moral quandry about your future at QCDN. It just happens that one of those options happened to contain what amounts to a self-imposed exile ban, much like Moink requested time and time again.

That's one way to crush an addiction. I don't think its necessary though.

It's equally important that other people understand what you're saying as well, not just that you understand it. I'm reminded of a story of a girl who was in a creative writing class, and the teacher instructed the students to write using "their own words".

The girl handed in a paper that had gibberish all over the pages, and when approached by an exasperated grammarian of a teacher as to what sort of game was she getting at, the girl simply replied: "These are my words. You told us to write in our own words, so I made some up."

It's more a safeguard against yourself so that your intentions don't get taken out of context.

Maybe if I write more while I'm half baked, I can have a book of half baked poetry put on the market. That would sell some.....

You bother for the same reason any of us bothers. You bother because it's a place to display your 3d modeling, to ignite debate somewhere you feel fit, or any other reason.

Even though I try to stay the hell away from Online Final Fantasy games and have no interest in the FFXI discussions. QCDN does have some members and discussions I value.

You don't think any other person on here has been the target of some sort of harrassment or e-bullery? To think so is egocentric at best. There are a long, and ever-growing list of pink and dull yellow names that represent the people who have displayed their worth to this site, be it through bullying other members, harrassment, spamming, real trolling, or any other amount of "forum offenses".

It was always a toss up between you and Tagrineth as my #1 troll. The rest of the trolls were and still are inferior as they can only curse and deliver effortless wise cracks unworthy of my time.

Although your different now. Seems like your motivated to being a better person all of a sudden compared to every other time we crossed paths. Probably because your a mod now and all dedicated and shit. I'd swear you got into an accident or some kind of life changing event, cause your not Tristam Green.

The users who deal with it? They've never sought pity for what they endured, and I'm willing to wager they all also lead rich, fruitful lives.

I like to think so.

 

[Tristam Green]

Now that I've gone the civil route and explained in detail what you should be seeing here, I'm going to take some kid gloves off. I'll try to keep the original post intact as much as possible, but I'm going to address bits of it where necessary.

It was always a toss up between you and Tagrineth as my #1 troll. The rest of the trolls were and still are inferior as they can only curse and deliver effortless wise cracks unworthy of my time.

So what you're saying here, is that we're a challenge of some sort? I'm not sure if that's an attempt at flattery, but be certain that I am not at all flattered.

Although your different now. Seems like your motivated to being a better person all of a sudden compared to every other time we crossed paths. Probably because your a mod now and all dedicated and shit. I'd swear you got into an accident or some kind of life changing event, cause your not Tristam Green.

No accident, no change. I'm still the same exact Tristam Green as I was a year ago, and I always will be.

Respect breeds respect. Disrespect, such as suggesting that I've "been in an accident or had some life-altering event happen to me" means you'll get a less-than-cordial reply.

"Dedication and shit" has nothing to do with it, because I've been dedicated to this site since I joined it.

One of them is when I got an infraction for addressing you by name. You found it fit to intervene when Skaw was expressing irrational behavior with me and you joined him. I can find that thread easy.

The second time that post was made private. I got an infraction for flame baiting, which is kind of as joke considering I don't like flaming all that much, That thread I cannot find because according to my list, it has been made private.

2 Infractions by Arctyrael very shortly after you blew your fuse. Did you receive any infractions by Arc ? I don't think so, cause every time Arc nailed me, he would express in public how he'll shoot you some rate ups as soon as possible. To me that looked like a high five. Those are the only 2 infractions I've received, and they were the result of you attacking and flipping your lid when I delivered a solid enough cuff to your mind.

I don't want to have to track every single one of our scraps or post a screen shot of my small infraction list. But if i did, I'm sure we'd all see why I'd find you worrisome as you are now.

Congratulations, you can cite instances where you and I have flown off the handle at each other.

Number one: I'm not, nor have I ever been interested in, your infractions or the infractions of anyone else.

Number two: My infractions are none of your damn business. Also, plenty of rateups were issued to infractionary posts, by many members, including myself (meaning: I rated up plenty of infraction-worthy posts).

Admittedly, it is rude to say a moderator is doing a terrible job.

That doesn't stop plenty of people from saying it.

That's good to know. Still I think it would have been the same result if it were kept in 1 bottle. Everyone from the Parent thread if you will, was there in the new one.

I know this was an attempt to make members happy. But from another perspective, it's not the same as the efficiency value when the mods actually merge threads. The merged thread suppresses repetitive noise, and it preserves the interest levels of the surrounding threads, keeping them more toward the headline. The separation of the Jackson thread poses a negative level of content on the boards list, and the board itself has a pretty heavy name.

It was not an effort to be efficient. It was, as you say, an effort to make users happy, and to mitigate damage from "too soon?" jokes that easily pop up when threads of this nature come around.

If i were the first to say "Michael is Bad" (pun intended) then people had to see my name carry the MJ Good Riddance at first glance, I would be dumbfounded, cause many would just look at me and shake their head without even reading the thread.

Interestingly enough, if someone did that without even reading it (trust me, most anyone right now would see a thread about Michael Jackson and read it despite the actual thread title, simply because it's about Michael Jackson), then that speaks volumes about the character of the reader, not about your character.

Over all, it's good to hear things leveled out in there, but I think it would have been more pleasing to the participants themselves if it got resolved under a unified MJ thread, cause it's kinda sad that it even had to be separated in the first place. People should know better.

Knowing better has nothing to do with it. If someone leads a high-profile life, that person gets used to praise, scorn, love, and hate, on a daily basis. His/her wrongs are shown to the public much more openly than anyone else. As it has been said, numerous times in both of those threads, death does not absolve you of wrong-doing in life, not in a mortal sense anyway.

I don't think it would be moved either. I also don't think it will be merged.

I don't mean to escalate my opinion on the whole ordeal. That was just one of many tiny little nick knacks when combined makes me think the way I do.

Good; suggestion noted, but not acted upon. It happens all the time, and I'm glad you won't get up in arms about it.

That's one way to crush an addiction. I don't think its necessary though.

Your thoughts on what isn't necessary and the reality of what is don't always coincide. If someone asks for a self-imposed ban, which has happened in the past, and I'm sure will happen again in the future, the admins and moderators will deliver it as wished.

 

[Xalioniaf]

I'd swear you got into an accident or some kind of life changing event, cause your not Tristam Green.

What the fuck is wrong with you, you goddamn freak?

 

[Thelona]

What the fuck is wrong with you, you goddamn freak?

he sorta sounds like a mixture between the hippy guy from the simpsons (Visualize maaaan!!) and a Japanese video game with a shitty translation to English. (all your base are belong to us) anyways nice to know we're "his trolls" lol feels nice serving a purpose.


anyways I've known TG since he picked up ffxi and i can say he hasn't changed a bit, if anything hes a bit MORE ballsy in telling someone off. which still isn't really all that ballsy (sorry tg =P) Stine and TG are 2 of the nicest people i ever met in ff and if your on their bad side you must have really fucked up.

 

[Anttaru]

I'm at work, so I'll try to make this as brief as possible.

So what you're saying here, is that we're a challenge of some sort? I'm not sure if that's an attempt at flattery, but be certain that I am not at all flattered.

Do go thinking I like trolls. Just because you and Tag trolled me like you did, doesn't mean i can assume you do it to anyone else. I never approved of your ways so lets not think being top troll is an honorable title. It's more like the opposite.

No accident, no change. I'm still the same exact Tristam Green as I was a year ago, and I always will be.

Respect breeds respect. Disrespect, such as suggesting that I've "been in an accident or had some life-altering event happen to me" means you'll get a less-than-cordial reply.

So I make a wise crack and you have to go all literal. I should have know that, but it's been awhile. For a short while I thought you might have straightened up, but for some funny reason it seems like I'm too rough for you.

Dedication and shit" has nothing to do with it, because I've been dedicated to this site since I joined it.

But not to the rules. Still i never bothered to report you, cause I have my own dignity, unlike someone i know. I'm not out to call you out on all these things, but it seems like your leaving me fewer options.

Congratulations, you can cite instances where you and I have flown off the handle at each other.

More like you flew off the handle. One thing you always pointed out is how you dread my (as you call it) more holy than thou nature. That's me trying to deal with you kindly, yet you still insist on this foolishness.

Number one: I'm not, nor have I ever been interested in, your infractions or the infractions of anyone else.

Don't back pedal now. In your last post to me you straight out asked me to bring it up and I did as you asked.

"Number two: My infractions are none of your damn business. Also, plenty of rateups were issued to infractionary posts, by many members, including myself (meaning: I rated up plenty of infraction-worthy posts).

There you go changing into Mr. Hyde again. You asked for this. Don't be upset because of my awarness of the bullshit I had to cope with when you were using Arc to finish what YOU started against me in a broken manner.

"It was not an effort to be efficient. It was, as you say, an effort to make users happy, and to mitigate damage from "too soon?" jokes that easily pop up when threads of this nature come around.

And now the thread has become a twin to it's parent. It's not a good practice to carry onto more threads mind you.

Interestingly enough, if someone did that without even reading it (trust me, most anyone right now would see a thread about Michael Jackson and read it despite the actual thread title, simply because it's about Michael Jackson), then that speaks volumes about the character of the reader, not about your character.

After dividing the thread. We have the same people from that first thread going off in it. It's really no different. Sure the problem was resolved, but I don't think it's because you gave them what they might have thought would have been a good idea at the time.

Knowing better has nothing to do with it. If someone leads a high-profile life, that person gets used to praise, scorn, love, and hate, on a daily basis. His/her wrongs are shown to the public much more openly than anyone else. As it has been said, numerous times in both of those threads, death does not absolve you of wrong-doing in life, not in a mortal sense anyway.

There comes a point where all wrong doings are washed away. All will be forgiven and the oppertunity for growth will always be. What we make of ourselves comes with us when we die. Until the next stage, we can either rid ourselves of what we carry, or we can apply more to it.

Good; suggestion noted, but not acted upon. It happens all the time, and I'm glad you won't get up in arms about it.

I just wanted to share thought. I'm interested enough to come here in the middle of work to see what's happening with this thread. As I said before, I'm being repelled from here. I starting some war here is the last thing on my mind.

Your thoughts on what isn't necessary and the reality of what is don't always coincide. If someone asks for a self-imposed ban, which has happened in the past, and I'm sure will happen again in the future, the admins and moderators will deliver it as wished.

Yeah I'm sure of it, But I did not need you to tell me that before, and I don't need to hear it again.


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To Thelona

I explained what a troll is. I never had to deal with you before, so what makes you think your one of my trolls ?

I explained what the lower level trolls do and it's happening again just as I wrote it out to be.

Don't huddle next to Xalioniaf thinking you have and chance at some type of conquest to break me. Go huddle next to Tag. He's had a lot of my time and he can use a hand when he actually tries. For now he's been in cheerleader mode, but unlike Xalioniaf, he has a lot more brains. And Tag is a sore loser but Xalioniaf has no creativity.

Do you wish to tag team with Xalioniaf so you can look smarter than the person you roll with ?

Lona. You have never been a troll ( not to me to say the least ), I never said you were one, and I don't recommend getting into it with people that actually are. But if you do decide to be my enemy. Xalioniaf is a very poor choice as you can see.

 

[Anttaru]

Oh and this.

Stine and TG are 2 of the nicest people i ever met in ff and if your on their bad side you must have really fucked up.

I've been kind to the both of them. It's not too important if I'm on their good or bad side. But I have made attempts to be at peace with them. I don't even worry about Stine to begin with. I don't think it's a good idea to even mention her Lona.

 

[Thelona]

i never said anything about being your enemy, i was just making fun of the way you type. things like "out of my dreams and ideas and into my psychical existence" make you sound like your tripping BALLS when you type.

and then i was just pointing out that i have not noticed any change in tristam since i've known him and under no circumstances would consider him as a "troll"


anyways, this thread started out as very entertaining and now... not so much, you strike me as the type that wont let a thread die without getting the last word, so im sure your gonna split THIS post up into a few quotes and pick it apart. but w/e i don't have any problem with you personally, i just find the way you type hilarious.

 

[Stine]

Personally I have no problem with Anttaru. I rather enjoyed his 3-D modeling work. I know my husband and him don't always see eye to eye but that's between them. Honestly I thought that they were getting along better. I think it's mostly that both of them might have a hard time picking out each others tone in their posts.

Anttaru, I'm glad that your work is paying off for you and that your life is good. I hope that your time in QCDN gets better. I'm not really sure what to say other than don't sweat the small stuff and if you see someone breaking the rules just report them. Reporting someone's posts will not harm your dignity. The mods sometimes miss things and appreciate it when someone reports a post that is against the rules. Even if you don't agree with someone on the staff there are other staff members that you can chat with if you have a problem.

Thelona is right. Tristam is and always has been the same as long as I have known him. I like to think that I keep him straight most of the time but I don't watch everything that he posts. I can't control who he likes or dislikes on here. He tells me that I'm too nice to people. Maybe I am but I never saw the need in holding a grudge. Yes, he has a temper but he is also a kind person.

 

[Xalioniaf]

Don't huddle next to Xalioniaf thinking you have and chance at some type of conquest to break me. Go huddle next to Tag. He's had a lot of my time and he can use a hand when he actually tries. For now he's been in cheerleader mode, but unlike Xalioniaf, he has a lot more brains. And Tag is a sore loser but Xalioniaf has no creativity.

Do you wish to tag team with Xalioniaf so you can look smarter than the person you roll with ?

Lona. You have never been a troll ( not to me to say the least ), I never said you were one, and I don't recommend getting into it with people that actually are. But if you do decide to be my enemy. Xalioniaf is a very poor choice as you can see.

I'd like to point out that he's not huddling next to anyone. My friendship with TG has nothing to do with calling you out with how goddamn cheap a shot that sentence was. I already knew your mentality is not fitting of your age, but god damn, that was fucking awful.
Despite what you may think, you're not the only person on this board who thinks for himself, but that doesn't mean that some of us think similarly about you.
Shit, I don't even know Thelona, so I can't say she's backing me or anything.

Spoiler:

Hi though.

 

[Linhjah]

If you have a serious issue with any member of the staff, please take it up with Makelith. I would recommend a PM.

Please use the report post feature when you see a post that violates the rules. Reporting a post doesn't make you any less dignified.

The MJ split remains. I addressed the concerns you had pertaining to it in this thread, there isn't much more to be said about it. However, should you have additional concerns about it or wish to bring something else to the table about it, feel free to PM me.

I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread. You have expressed your disatisfaction, and nothing productive for the site ever comes from flames (and I do understand you didn't initially intend this to be a flame) against the guidelines or staff. A thread in SAF or a PM to any member of the staff are much more productive means of communication for serious issues.