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Re: WHM power trip... How about WHM who melee?

Onidori said:
How about this for power trip, have you ever played with WHM who insist on melee? For me, it was cute in Tahrongi Canyon, weird in Shakhrami Maze, nearly insane in Valkurm Dunes, and just plain stupid in Qufim... But which group leader would be willing to boot a WHM after waiting for one for an hour?

Onidori
-- Windurst Taru, RDM 31 / WHM 14 / BLM 18 <--- Working my subs :)
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This isn't so bad. As a mage, if we are pulling beetles or something else that doen't have an AOE, I will ask the party if I can take the opportunity to skill up my staff/club. May sound stupid to you, but the skill ups help me.
 
It isn't so bad I agree ... sometimes
but I've just had a bad experience with a WHM meleeing in the dunes. I must admit it was an extreme case :
This guy had the great idea to melee against a gob and use curaga after a bomb toss ... I was the tank ... no voke ... no shield bash (just used it to try to stop the bomb toss) ... the time I cast invincible we had a dead WHM ... :(
Ok the guy was pretty stupid (I think he was leveling his sub for his WAR/WHM), but for a WHM, when things wrong, things goes wrong VERY quickly.
 
I had a WHM (level 23 party) insist that we could not only take Banshees, but chain them. "They're about the same level as everything else"... It took a LOT of arguing to dissuade him from wanting to do it, and he ended it by laughing at us and calling us cowards, eventually disbanding in the middle of a fight with a wight for god know what reason... Still, pretty frustrating, even for a NIN tank. :roll:

Oh, and "I can solo that mob with my 47 BLM" is not an argument that will really convince a group of level 22-23's to take on something that WILL get them killed.
 
Re: WHM power trip... How about WHM who melee?

alanon said:
Onidori said:
How about this for power trip, have you ever played with WHM who insist on melee? For me, it was cute in Tahrongi Canyon, weird in Shakhrami Maze, nearly insane in Valkurm Dunes, and just plain stupid in Qufim... But which group leader would be willing to boot a WHM after waiting for one for an hour?
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This isn't so bad. As a mage, if we are pulling beetles or something else that doen't have an AOE, I will ask the party if I can take the opportunity to skill up my staff/club. May sound stupid to you, but the skill ups help me.
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My bias comes from the cumulative experience of a number of unfortunate parties. Sure, in some cases, with diligence and certain level of skill, it is possible that WHM can successfully melee. I believe the requirement for diligence and level of skill grows significantly as the experience levels go up. Some can do it, and some can't.

I can see at level 40+ party, with RDM doing refresh, WHM doesn't need to rest decreases. But at lower levels, that is just not possible. I believe if a mage (any color) manages to rest at the appropriate moment during a battle could potentially reduce the downtime for the party significantly. It's just not possible if a WHM melees.

Additionally, the demand on other players in the party increase as well. The precious 1 or 2 seconds of distance between the MOB and the WHM can be the difference between a good party and a not so good party.

Onidori
-- Windurst Taru, RDM 31 / WHM 18 / BLM 18
-->General Disclaimer: I can't spell worth ****<--
 
Again just keep in mind guys, dunes I will admit, a WHM is probably ideal unless your party is godly. Good thing is after that place, you never NEED one again. Take Kazham for instance..

Was just there, albeit with a JP party, and we had the following:

Blm/Whm
Blm/Whm
War/Mnk
Drk/War
Thf/Nin
Brd/Whm (me)

We were chaining 4 regularly and 5 if there were mobs to pull and not once did it ever get close. In fact I barely got time to heal as when my songs were done, the mob was dead in most cases. We were also down by the outpost killing goblin furiars which was beautiful fun.
 
Man, last Sunday evening, I got into a PT. The setup was pretty sweet, all L15-16:

NIN/WAR (me), NIN/WAR, RDM/BLM, WAR(leader), THF

So I start thinking "oh yeah, we'll be chaining crabs easy with dual NIN tanking!" Oy, I was wrong... Our leader insisted that we take on "wurms n gools" (what is it with calling Dhamselflies "worms" all of a sudden? 2nd time I heard that the same night) So we needed a WHM.

...Leader found one. ...was L19. We immediately disapprooved.
...Leader found another. ...was L12. The itch to leave started.
...Leader found one our level. ...in WINDURST!!! That was it, I left.

We could have had a rocking party, in spite of some not having any subs, with the RDM doing some backup healing if the case did rise up. But instead the 'necessity' of a WHM came through. Though if the WAR would have started pulling Dhamselflies behind my back... Yah, a WHM would have been the only thing that could have saved our hides. And I don't even want to think about those Ghouls at L15-16...
 
ugh, one time in Kazham
The WHM left, so the the tank, PLD of course, lets fight things, im sure the RDM can heal like a WHM, i said sure ok...
well halfway into battle, no one needed a cure, so i knelt and rested while i wait for soemone to get to there yellows....so after the battle, he said
"WHY THE HELL WERE YOU HEALING DURING BATTLE!"
i said "To have more MP in case something went wrong, and so i have more MP for the next battle, and less downtime"
then he said "YOU DONT SEE ME RESTING IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE!"
i said "Thats because your the damn tank, your sopposed to be taking the hits, jeez"
he left, and said he cant be healed by a newb...

blah, he is the newb

and the blackmage in the party, also my friend said to me "I think he needs to chill, every mage rests in the middle of battle" The PLD should be worrying about his job, not mine
 
OniTatsujin said:
ugh, one time in Kazham
The WHM left, so the the tank, PLD of course, lets fight things, im sure the RDM can heal like a WHM, i said sure ok...
well halfway into battle, no one needed a cure, so i knelt and rested while i wait for soemone to get to there yellows....so after the battle, he said
"WHY THE HELL WERE YOU HEALING DURING BATTLE!"
i said "To have more MP in case something went wrong, and so i have more MP for the next battle, and less downtime"
then he said "YOU DONT SEE ME RESTING IN THE MIDDLE OF BATTLE!"
i said "Thats because your the damn tank, your sopposed to be taking the hits, jeez"
he left, and said he cant be healed by a newb...

blah, he is the newb

and the blackmage in the party, also my friend said to me "I think he needs to chill, every mage rests in the middle of battle" The PLD should be worrying about his job, not mine
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HAHAHAHAH, that has to be the dumbest PLD I've ever heard, YOU DON'T SEE ME RESTING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BATTLE! Honestly, if no one is in the yellow and things are going smoothly, let the mages get some MP back, glad that idiot left your team, didn't sound like a good PLD to me.
 
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