12/18 Update Datamining

Compared to what Axe/Ridill can do. Yes, it's not very fair to be comparing anything to Ridill, but Axe/Ridill is what WAR does best, so why shouldn't their relic be at least somewhat as good?

Metatron doesn't put Steel Cyclone to shame... but it does outdamage it when you consider that there's 3 Metatrons for every 1 Steel Cyclone, as with nearly all Relic WS. (Final Heaven, sadly, doesn't compare to Asuran Fists)
 
Mai Ikari said:
Compared to what Axe/Ridill can do. Yes, it's not very fair to be comparing anything to Ridill, but Axe/Ridill is what WAR does best, so why shouldn't their relic be at least somewhat as good?
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Well that's gay. Any idea what the sub was? Were they still parsing with /nin or using thf / drg? I would suspect drg, the first screenies of Bravura I ever saw were also the first screenies of war/drg I ever saw.

Mai Ikari said:
Metatron doesn't put Steel Cyclone to shame... but it does outdamage it when you consider that there's 3 Metatrons for every 1 Steel Cyclone, as with nearly all Relic WS. (Final Heaven, sadly, doesn't compare to Asuran Fists)
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Don't quite follow. 3 Metas for 1 Steel? Do relics gain TP faster?
 
CmdrFly said:
Well that's gay. Any idea what the sub was? Were they still parsing with /nin or using thf / drg? I would suspect drg, the first screenies of Bravura I ever saw were also the first screenies of war/drg I ever saw.


Don't quite follow. 3 Metas for 1 Steel? Do relics gain TP faster?
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Not quite. All relic Weaponskills always do triple damage at 100% TP.
 
So Meta, after the triple mod, out-does Steel. But without that triple mod it would be weaker. Am I getting this right?
 
Pulling out the WS data.

Code: 
Great Axe
Iron Tempest       1.00              ×1   STR_30
Sturmwind          1.00              ×2   STR_30
Raging Rush        1.00  1.50  2.50  ×3   STR_35
Keen Edge          1.00              ×1   STR_35          Crit rate
Shield Break       1.00              ×1   STR_20 VIT_20　   Evasion-40
Armor Break        1.00              ×1   STR_20 VIT_20　   Defense-25％
Weapon Break       1.00              ×1   STR_32 VIT_32　   Attack-25％
Full Break         1.00              ×1   STR_50 VIT_50　   Attack-12.5％ Defense-12.5％ Evasion-20 Accuracy-20?
Steel Cyclone      1.50  1.75  3.00  ×1   STR_50 VIT_50　   High peak damage
Metatron Torment   2.75              ×1   STR_60          Defense-12.5％？

As you can see, Steel Cyclone, at 300%, is 3.00 damage, 1 hit, 50% STR/VIT. Metatron Torment is 2.75 damage, 1 hit, 60% STR.

So one hit from Steel Cyclone will outdamage 1 hit from Metatron Torment. But Metatron only needs to be at 100% to do its peak damage, Steel Cyclone needs 3 times that. So for every 1 hit of Steel, Metatron could have potentially hit 3 times, for signifincantly better damage overall.
 
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