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Ever since I made my first thread, I've been doing extensive research on the 9/11 events and all of the facts of what's been going on with America since WWII.

I'm going to read through this thread and then begin my own that's about, not just 9/11, but things that have been happening in America since WWII.
 
Good luck on that (Believe me, there are plenty of theories in WW2, Korean, and Vietnam for you to bite on), just don't toy with the Atomic Bomb Conspiracy please, because that will just get shot down. lol Good luck though, plenty of options out there
 
There won't be any theory. Only the pure facts, evidence, and some legit questionable things. I'll try to keep all "jumping to conclusions", like a large amount of theorists do, to a minimum.

Examples of 9/11 theorists jumping to conclusions:

~The flashing helicopter in the smoke of the WTC. Theorists say it was a missle or rocket of some kind.

~The pentagon missle theory based only on a few eyewitnesses. How many people have been that close to a plane going 250+ MPH to be able to judge whether it sounded like a missle or a plane?

~Bush is a devil worshipper. Theorists base this off of Bush's family relations with Nazism, evidence that he was actually in a devil worshipping style of group while he was in Yale, and the fact that he attends a yearly, 2 week event at a private mens resort called the Bohemian Grove where, as Alex Jones' video "Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove" shows that there is a yearly play that proves the rumors on what happens there.

The facts about the last thing I said:

Bush's family's wealth and fame origin does indeed come from support of the Nazis but how do Nazis and devil worshippers relate in this situation?

There is evidence of him and Kerry (his cousin) both being in a "suppose to be" a secret society which I believe is called "Skull and Bones" at Yale University. Bush even admitted it. But seriously. How many of us haven't gone through a gothy phase sometime during our childhood where we get into some more spiritual religion? I can't name one person (other than certain Christians) that don't admit to doing so for at least a few weeks. I was a Wiccan apprentice for about a year and a half when I was in high school. Lastly, Alex Jones is the first person in the 134 years of the Bohemian Grove's existance to infiltrate the Grove and escape with video evidence. He had a hidden camera inside a bag with a hole in the side that he was carrying around. The first half of the film was Alex talking about the rumors with locals and preparing for it. The second half is the actual infiltration and near the end is the play "Cremation of Care" that looks no more harmless than the Burning Man festival in Nevada but people say this is "proof" of these elite government peoples being devil worshippers. I believe many famous homosexuals and African American women have said many times before, and I quote, "Oh please, girlfriend!"

Anyways, there is examples of theorys. Asking questions is fine and assuming things is fine too but actually calling these theorys facts is just stupid.

I've already released more info than I wanted to. ><
 
Bustaballs said:
There won't be any theory. Only the pure facts, evidence, and some legit questionable things. I'll try to keep all "jumping to conclusions", like a large amount of theorists do, to a minimum.

Examples of 9/11 theorists jumping to conclusions:

~The flashing helicopter in the smoke of the WTC. Theorists say it was a missle or rocket of some kind.

~The pentagon missle theory based only on a few eyewitnesses. How many people have been that close to a plane going 250+ MPH to be able to judge whether it sounded like a missle or a plane?

~Bush is a devil worshipper. Theorists base this off of Bush's family relations with Nazism, evidence that he was actually in a devil worshipping style of group while he was in Yale, and the fact that he attends a yearly, 2 week event at a private mens resort called the Bohemian Grove where, as Alex Jones' video "Dark Secrets: Inside Bohemian Grove" shows that there is a yearly play that proves the rumors on what happens there.

The facts about the last thing I said:

Bush's family's wealth and fame origin does indeed come from support of the Nazis but how do Nazis and devil worshippers relate in this situation?

There is evidence of him and Kerry (his cousin) both being in a "suppose to be" a secret society which I believe is called "Skull and Bones" at Yale University. Bush even admitted it. But seriously. How many of us haven't gone through a gothy phase sometime during our childhood where we get into some more spiritual religion? I can't name one person (other than certain Christians) that don't admit to doing so for at least a few weeks. I was a Wiccan apprentice for about a year and a half when I was in high school. Lastly, Alex Jones is the first person in the 134 years of the Bohemian Grove's existance to infiltrate the Grove and escape with video evidence. He had a hidden camera inside a bag with a hole in the side that he was carrying around. The first half of the film was Alex talking about the rumors with locals and preparing for it. The second half is the actual infiltration and near the end is the play "Cremation of Care" that looks no more harmless than the Burning Man festival in Nevada but people say this is "proof" of these elite government peoples being devil worshippers. I believe many famous homosexuals and African American women have said many times before, and I quote, "Oh please, girlfriend!"

Anyways, there is examples of theorys. Asking questions is fine and assuming things is fine too but actually calling these theorys facts is just stupid.

I've already released more info than I wanted to. ><
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All conspiracies and fact start off as theories. It's like that in both sciences, and the real world. Whether or not the theories you found about Pres. Bush are true or false, they will become theories before fact. Without theories, there cannot by a hypothesis, without a hypothesis, there cannot be accurate data collected, and without accurate data collected, you have no information to back up the facts. So all the consipiracies you find will inevitably be mostly theories. Whether you see them as fact, or fiction, is up to you. So best of luck man.
 
Actually, in science, a theory can never become a fact. It stays a theory until proven wrong. An example of this is evolution.

But it's just illogical to accuse Bush of being a worshipper of Lucifer based on him going to a play and being part of a secret society in college.
 
I debate with my own self about if our government could/would do something like that.

I think it is a great possibility that the attacks were staged. Especially the attack on the pentagon. That was totally a missle. Where it came from... I don't know and couldn't even begin to fathom an explanation. I believe it was a missle because a jet the size of the ones hijacked couldn't hit just the pentagon with the site of impact, with as low as it was to the ground it would have taken out a couple of cars on the road near by.

Personal experience tells me something might be funny as well. In my english class there happened to be a girl who's aunt worked at the pentagon. She told me that all of the people who worked in the one wing of the pentagon that was hit was moved out of their offices to the other side of the building a day or two before the attack. Convient huh?
 
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Actually, in science, a theory can never become a fact. It stays a theory until proven wrong. An example of this is evolution.

But it's just illogical to accuse Bush of being a worshipper of Lucifer based on him going to a play and being part of a secret society in college.
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Actually..

theories can become facts such as the laws of thermodynamics. Theories are only theories ideas until they are either proven false or correct.

On the satanic thing... lol I agree... who cares if he is awaiting the coming of the great white hankerchif.

America was founded with the intent of seperation of church and state. Don't let your dogma try to control your government. We have enough idiots in D.C. tyvm.



*edit* ya know if conspiricy theories are founded on some fact... then big brother has all of our names and will be dancing across our tv screen any moment....

WE ARE ALL GONNA BE SENT TO GUANTANIMO BAY FOR EXECUTION BECAUSE WE KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT!!!!! And that my friends makes us :banned:
 
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Kimberely said:
Actually..

theories can become facts such as the laws of thermodynamics. Theories are only theories ideas until they are either proven false or correct.

On the satanic thing... lol I agree... who cares if he is awaiting the coming of the great white hankerchif.

America was founded with the intent of seperation of church and state. Don't let your dogma try to control your government. We have enough idiots in D.C. tyvm.
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Well scientific laws are usually very simple things that cannot be proven wrong. They apply in all of life. I understand that certain things such as the theory of gravity was replaced with the Newton's law of gravity but when you get into more complex things, they can't just make it a law like the others.

Evolution is both theory and fact. It's existed for over 150 years with massive evidence and proof to back it up and it's still a theory because it has yet to be proven wrong. I recently did a lot of research on it.

Edit: Yeah.. but they can't send the 42% of Americans that believe 9/11 was a cover-up and the others of the 45% that want another real investigation on 9/11 off to foreign countrys or the US "concentration camps".
 
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Evolution is both theory and fact. It's existed for over 150 years with massive evidence and proof to back it up and it's still a theory because it has yet to be proven wrong. I recently did a lot of research on it.
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You are right evolution has existed for over 150 years... technically its been around as long as the earth (if your christian thats about 5000 years and if you have a more logical approach then about 5 billion years).

The basic break down of it all is something like the following:

Hypothesis > Theory > Law

A hypothesis is what you want to know. You make an observation base your knowledge on this observation. Lets say for example: "did the us bomb itself on 9/11?"

After you test your hypothesis you create a theory. "I think the us did bomb itself. My reasoning behind this is points a, b, c, and d."

When there are no exceptions to the theory then it becomes a law. "Since the US 'found' leads linking 9/11 to terrorist attacks and found where they wanted to go to flight school but didn't care how to land the planes. We can not say with any definite proof that the us bombed itself."

Thus the birth of a conspiricy theory.



As for evolution being a theory.... only because we have people in the world who still believe that things change due to gods will. Look up the big stink a few months ago with the board of education asking to teach both evolution and intelligent-design. If the world could let go of its whole god complex then evolution would be a law and not a theory.



And you are right... they can't easily explain the deaths of 85% of the american public but they can take us to a world war that kills us all!

XD not an exact quote but:

"I do not know the type of weapons that will be used in world war 3, but world war 4 will be fought with sticks and stones." -- Albert Einstein
 
Well not all Christians are like that. Real Christians don't take the bible so literally. God created the world in 6 days. There is no telling what a day was to god. Also, one Christian scientistic and historian points out to high school children as I read in a article, "No one knows how much time passed between Genesis 1:1 and 1:3. No one knows if ANY time passed."

Just an example. I've found many articles while researching evolution where certain Christians find ways bring together their Bible and evolution. If you actually have an open-mind, you can relate evolution to being possible with a large majority of religions. Even one of the popes said evolution doesn't prove the bible wrong.
 
He didn't say evolution proves the bible wrong but he did say that intelligent-design shouldn't be taught in schools because it is part of religion.

But religion is part of theory so I see what you are saying. (MY theory doesn't have to be the same as yours...and I personally don't see why people need to believe in some supreme being to get through their day anyways.) The only true way to know if there's a god is to die and see what happens. But then you become almost god like in that way because you now have the answer to a question that no one knows the answer too... except the other people who died... but not like you can share it...

Sorta like the government.... they are the god and we are the unknowing... Just shadows on the wall dancing and we don't wanna look away from the show at the real light because it hurts too much. We only know what our captors allow us to know. Anything we figure out on our own makes us more real than abstract.

Darwin was a christian. He never denounced christ because of his theory, but he was still stoned and locked away in his house because of his idea and his new way of thinking.

Please forgive me but christians have oppressed just as many people as the jews, hindus, muslims, shintos, taoists, etc.

There is no such thing as a perfect religion or even idea. Everything in nature has an exception. Even our scientific laws that we don't like exceptions to. There will be one small compound or condition or instant where the law is disobeyed.

So, when I make a statment I do sterotype quite a bit... but one seems to speak for the whole most of the time ><

Just to me just about every single religion (yes ask me in a different thread though how satanic religion and christianity are similar) has similarities to other religions. Its all based on the same basic principle... don't do bad stuff to other people. Keep your karma full of gas so you don't have to take your dogma for a walk.

I have just seen a lot of people who are "omg!!!! evolution is the devil's workshop!!!" and refuse to believe that something can just change and do not take the time to see it for what it truely is.

Conspiricy theories and religions walk hand in hand. You can't prove that you are right in either that you make a statement.
 
I'd just like to make a comment somewhat seperate from the conversation.

Many Christians and people in general confuse Satanism with the worship of Satan. Satanism has nothing to do with the Christian satan. Sananists don't worship ANY diety. People confuse this way too often.
 
OK. I just read through this entire discussion. It turned from a nice little debate over theorys to focusing on the pentagon and the helicopter missle theory on the WTC and then it turned into a Fahrenheit 9/11 discussion. Throughout the entire time there were many insults and it just got worse and worse until the topic died off into my and Kimberely's discussion.

Now my recent research has focused on the 9/11 WTC happenings. I've been ignoring theorys and only looking at facts and questionable things. I am 500% convinced that it was controlled demoltion that took those towers down. I have enough proof to back it up. I have tons and tons of resouces that just flushes the official stories right down the toilet, including the FEMA, NOVA, and the Popular Mechanics article.

I don't want my thing I'm working on to focus on 9/11 but it's about 40% of my work so far. I think I'd rather have a seperate topic for discussion on this since this thread is pretty much dead and another topic for things seperate from the 9/11 events. What do you guys think?
 
The guy who made that movie was on the Opie & Anthony show recently. It's very evident that this small internet movie is a conspiracy theory blown out of proportion, and misconstrued as a reliable argument. United States citizens do a very good service by questioning very important moments in out history, but from the interview that was conducted, I can rest assured that the internet movie is nothing anyone should pay much attention to.

I'm looking for that interview as I'm typing this.
 
Well, a decent amount of the movie is factual but the way he connects it to his conclusion is just crazy. If I told a story like he did, I could make a "documentary" on how people who masterbate to furry, animated pornography is what actually brought down the towers.

I'm going to start a new topic soon since this one is pretty much dead.
 
Bustaballs said:
Well, a decent amount of the movie is factual but the way he connects it to his conclusion is just crazy. If I told a story like he did, I could make a "documentary" on how people who masterbate to furry, animated pornography is what actually brought down the towers.

I'm going to start a new topic soon since this one is pretty much dead.
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lol everyone has argued to the bone on this thread, so yea, ya can't go any deeper than that.

Darwin was a christian. He never denounced christ because of his theory, but he was still stoned and locked away in his house because of his idea and his new way of thinking.
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This is very true. Darwin was a Christian (Protestant I believe, not to sure on that) and he noticed the Galapogos Islands, and did research there. With information compiled, he discovered the theory of evolution. And yes, he was stoned for it, mauked for it, considered a 'heretic of God and all his children', and his reputation as a great man went down the drain, except other fellow scientists, and a few philospohers.

Please forgive me but christians have oppressed just as many people as the jews, hindus, muslims, shintos, taoists, etc.
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All the religons have oppressed each other. The Romans greatly oppressed Christians and the Jews. The Christians opressed the Jews, Eastern Religons, and the religons of the Middle East (Islam, ect.). The Jews oppressed the Middle East Religons and the Christians. The Eastern Religons oppressed the Middle East Religons. And Atheists disprove all the religons, but not through oppression.

It's not just Christians, it's an on-going cycle between all the religons of the world.

There is no such thing as a perfect religion or even idea. Everything in nature has an exception. Even our scientific laws that we don't like exceptions to. There will be one small compound or condition or instant where the law is disobeyed.

So, when I make a statment I do sterotype quite a bit... but one seems to speak for the whole most of the time ><

Just to me just about every single religion (yes ask me in a different thread though how satanic religion and christianity are similar) has similarities to other religions. Its all based on the same basic principle... don't do bad stuff to other people. Keep your karma full of gas so you don't have to take your dogma for a walk.

I have just seen a lot of people who are "omg!!!! evolution is the devil's workshop!!!" and refuse to believe that something can just change and do not take the time to see it for what it truely is.

Conspiricy theories and religions walk hand in hand. You can't prove that you are right in either that you make a statement
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Religon has always played into society's laws, works, ect. It will always be there, it keeps a sense of hope and pride in all people. So even if science disproves that there isn't a God, or that reincarnation is not real, people will still believe. It's because of belief. Belief cannot be shattered just by bare information or images, it takes alot more to break belief than that.

And of course religons are intermingled. Judiasm (I hope I spelt that right) has the Tora, or the 'Old Testament'. Christians have the 'New Testament', which is basically a sequel to the Tora. Islam has the Koran, which is based off the prophet Mohammed from the 'Old Testament' (I think it's from the Tora, might be from the bible, not to sure). The Eastern Religons, like Hinduism, ect., come from good nature, and to create a preserving peace between all people. This is heavily incorporated in the western and middle-eastern religons.
 
Pretty crazy video. I remember running around during the bring down of the palaces in OIF. I remember all kinds of stuff, the good, the bad, and of course the ugly. Although I've always wondered, during some of the raids and the uncounted/uncirculated (estimated over 1 million) dollars, my unit turned in to the higher ups...mysteriously disappeared. WTF? No one knew where it went. I know this may be irrelevent, but there were other things I came up upon and reported...and funny thing is, during patrols a couple of days later...they're gone. I'm not gonna say, but after my 3 deployments there, a lot of things are semi-fishy when I summed them up. Hmmmph...
 
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lol everyone has argued to the bone on this thread, so yea, ya can't go any deeper than that.
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The only in depth discussions were over the missle theorys. The only discussion about other things, such as the fall of the towers, were some links and explaination of the links of the official storys. I have enormous amounts of resources that disproves the official storys, including the FEMA and NOVA explinations. As for the the famous magazine article in PM, I have things tearing it to pieces. That article did about as good of a job as Moore did on Fahrenheit 9/11. I'm still trying to figure out a way to explain everything in a post without making it insanely large or talking about other topics.

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Religon has always played into society's laws, works, ect. It will always be there, it keeps a sense of hope and pride in all people. So even if science disproves that there isn't a God, or that reincarnation is not real, people will still believe. It's because of belief. Belief cannot be shattered just by bare information or images, it takes alot more to break belief than that.
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Agreed 100%.
 
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I have enormous amounts of resources that disproves the official storys.
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Regardless of the topic, I think anyone who put in enough efforts could come up with what I will call alternate explanations of any given event. The questions the reader will have to ask him or herself are:
1. Which scenario is more likely?
2. Does it really matter how it happened, or is the important issue that it happened?

Different people will answer those questions differently, and the overwhelming majority will settle on what's the most likely scenario, regardless of other issues presented.
 
Busta didn't say some of that stuff! I did...

I realize everything that your saying about the other religions. That's why I pointed out the thing about them opressing each other (didn't wanna go into details cause people complain I'm too wordy).

I just specifically point the finger at christianity because it is the major religion of the united states. And I live in the middle of the bible belt so I am use to everytime I crack a joke about the spanish inquisition people get all uppity about me saying christians are bad people.

I never once said that they were bad individuals.. just organized groups in a whole are evil.
 
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