**9/11 Wtf really happened??**

Negorissimo said:
Americans love conspiracy hypotesis...

and controversy!
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Look at Watergate and the JFK assassination.
 
Semi-related, but snopes has an interesting page about 9/11 rumours.

The irony of course is that it's telling you not to believe everything you read on the internet when you're reading that very information on the internet....
 
Zimzum said:
Why are 80 something survalance videos of the pentagon impact still yet to be released from the government? All were denied from a FOIA(Freedom of information act) request. If the US government really wanted to debunk the pentagon attack why not release them all? They had no problem releasing the 5 frames from the security gate that SHOWED NOTHING.
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Bleeding Americans. Burning flags. An insider's peek at confidential areas or structural layouts of the Pentagon.

There are a number of reasons any government would not release images or video footage of one of their security centres being damaged.
 
WYS i believe you bro
that's some fucked up shit
man oh man
 
I think that canada did it and by doing so we are going to start slowly taking over the world. soon canada will be known as the country that took the USA down. No one would dare fuck with us..... it's perfect.
 
No one can discredit everything in the video. While there are factual inaccuracies (or lies depending on which side your on) the video does have some truth to it.

Bedwarmer said:
When you're looking up the video, why don't you Google the differeing opinions as well and make a sensible decision.
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Only sheep make decisions based on other peoples opinions. People who actually form an opinion of there own concentrate on factual information.

Yes, I know, not all the information in the movie is factual. Then again, not all the information discrediting the movie is factual.

I am of the opinion that niether side of the argument is correct. It didn't happen like loose change describes, and it didn't happen like our government tells us. I feel loose change is definatly right about one thing: Our government is trying to cover something up.
 
I didnt post this as means of justifying that I'm right, everyoneswrong type shit. I was just like everyone else, until the overwhelming evidence was broguht before hand. I mean seriously even if the 1 1/2hr film was falsified, and photoshopped, who the hell does the acutal interviews, news castings, even a bit of common sense should make you all wonder. Considering areas like the WTS, Pentagon, and White House are No Fly zones, reaction time from our government is instantaious as far as protecting these areas.

I was in High School watching this shit thinking it was a crazy ass movie until it hit me. A plane that hits the top layer of the building with that velocity and speed, should make the building topple to a side, not implode straight down. Even if the film is faked, I doubt they can manually go in there and change interviewed ppl's words, and reactions. I was and even questioned the day it happened wondering "where the fuck is the 757 Boeing plane layers and damamged peices at? I mean come on thats a big mutherfukin plane weighing over 100 tons, u tellin me that the whole shit evaporated, and melted everything? even the flight 93 so-called crash looks like a big hole dug up, with shit thrown in. No traces of any 100ton plane in sight or peices of metal scattered.

Lets face it, major information of what happened, and what even happens across seas in Iraq is a sugar-coated topping of what isnt realeased to the public, I know because couple of my close homeboys are back from time-served. But oh well, your views are yours alone, it doesnt make me sleep less at night because ppl are to ignorant to think outside of the box, even if half the shit in the film is scripted, it still doesnt take a lil common sense to realize that some shady shit went down. True im like years behind on this, but thats because I disregarded all that bullshit before too like everyone, but that film opened my eyes, and no doubt that all that evidence makes more sense than most people rather dig into. If you wanna believe the media, and no question anything that seems out of place, thats ur own business, but I evaluate all situations and needless to say all the evidence is proof in the pudding enough. Again I posted this as a means of interesting information that I felt would open some minds, but hell like I said if your gonna judge me for thinking outside the box, then just shows how ignorant some ppl are. All we need is another C average president to run shit and let shit like this happen, or even plot shit like this against its own people. Happy Hunting
 
Watchyourstep said:
even the flight 93 so-called crash looks like a big hole dug up, with shit thrown in.
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/sigh. Say that to the family's whos' loved ones never came home.

And by the way, the plane didn't go all the way through, but it did explode. When an explosion happens, things tend to increase in temperature. Fuel used in airplanes are very volatile, and flamable, and ignited bla bla bla bla bla. It's all stuff that have been argued and beat dry.

The WTC would not have toppled over sideways by being hit by a plane (that is, the upper portion). And if you watch any of the video, the WTC did fall at an angle bud, but didn't completely topple over. (Hurray for A&E, or w/e).

As Trippy said though, the government is covering up something. But I have tried thinking outside the box, and if President Bush is an "average"(C) graded person, then he would have had no capabilities to pull this off. And no way in Hell could it have been done by the military alone, since Bush runs it.
 
Watchyourstep said:
All we need is another C average president to run shit and let shit like this happen, or even plot shit like this against its own people. Happy Hunting
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Fun fact Bush had a higher average then Kerry.
 
Sinhard said:
Fun fact Bush had a higher average then Kerry.
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yeah, Kerry had a 4 year average of 76, bush had a 4 year average of 77.

Kerry made 4 D's his freshman year, Bush made 1 the whole time.

Moral of the story?

Don't fuck off your freshman year or people will say you are less intelligent than GWB.

Not like grades really mean anything anyway.
 
Watchyourstep.

I agree with the controlled demolition theory and I'm always open to new information and ideas about everything else but I urge you to begin your research with all of the facts. If you would like to begin with 100% factual mainstream media news about the cover-up, then watch the video in my sig. I prefer people to begin with that video over Loose Change which has far too much theory for my liking.

There are more and more people coming out all of the time showing more of the plot. I mean CIA, every rank of every branch of the military, ex-government officials of all kinds, experts of endless fields, and the list goes on and on. It is 100% proven that they knew it was going to happen and they let it happen but how deeply they were involved with the actual plans isn't fully known.

If you are interested in other of the endless government conspiracys that have been proven (and ones that fully haven't but have massive evidence to support to claim), I could easily direct you.

Some topics of interest:

US Space Command "Vision for 2020"
The Panama deception
School of Americas in Georgia (the country)
The Iran-contra affair
Gulf of Tonkin
Operation Northwoods
USS Liberty attack
Operation Ajax

Here's a funny 9/11 Truth comic:
http://blog.abovetopsecret.com/wecomeinpeace/2006/09/911_graphic_novel_the_real_ver.html
 
Wait a minute, you FUCKING believe a PLANE would cause the LARGEST building in the WORLD(When it was built) to TIP OVER?!?!?

Someone failed physics class, or never took it. Stop listening to unproven, non-expert arguements...

Edit: "We heard an explosion when the building was falling down, it was black like snow"

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA That has to be the funniest thing ive ever heard, an explosion... as the building was falling... perhaps it was the building itself falling making that noise?

And ive never seen black snow.

Ninjar Edit 2: The narrators voice is annoying as hell, and he uses a janiter as a source... expert what? This video has to be the worst organized video i have seen, EVAR!
 
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Honestly, the last time I'm posting in this topic, and possibly the last time ON this topic.

GET A FUCKING CLUE.

There is no government conspiracy behind 9/11. Don't believe everything that self-serving conspiracy theorists whack off to in their parent's basement.
 
Sorry, but I believe the government story 100% and honestly anyone who challenges it I won't call unpatriotic rather quite retarded. You can either believe that 2 airplanes were used as missiles or not, and if you don't then you have to consider the improbability of any alternative that's possible. People like to question authority because they want to feel as if they are special and more intelligent than the "masses" unfortunately they do so with applying guesswork about physics which gets easily, always, shot down by experts.

But I suppose the "experts" are then part of the conspiracy. Because you can get a shitload of college professors, magazines and engineers to be silent about the murder of 3000 US citizens and the worst conspiracy in the history of the world right? Just like you can get the entire white house and all the people who boarded the imaginary plane right?

If 9/11 official story isn't real, what's a more likely scenario? That basically half the government is in on this conspiracy? That every physics expert and engineer is part of the conspiracy? That the only people capable of judging how a building would collapse are fucktard teenagers in their bedrooms who do all their research off Wikipedia?

Maybe your heart is in the right place, but get a fucking clue in your head. It sucks to have to deal with the fact that the government isn't all powerful and they can't protect us from terrorists willing to die to inflict us pain... but you have to learn to live with it and you have to learn to look at the world from the lens of reality.
 
Raesvelg said:
Honestly, the last time I'm posting in this topic, and possibly the last time ON this topic.

GET A FUCKING CLUE.

There is no government conspiracy behind 9/11. Don't believe everything that self-serving conspiracy theorists whack off to in their parent's basement.
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Even if it isnt a government conspiracy, you can't overlook the facts of physics, I am currently taking a materials and processes class in College and they are right, there is no way jet fuel could ever burn hot enough to melt the steel girters holding up those buidlings let alone incinerate a jet engine comprised of titanium. Weather or not it was the govt is yet to be seen although it has been suspicious from the start, however if it was indeed not the govt at all doing this, then this was more carefully planned by a third party and we are just too stupid to figure that out.

Also I would like to add my 2 cents about the movie. Very exellent job, extensive research and getting one of the biggest movie making companies to distribute it is awesome. Oh yeah, and since I had decided to play sick from school the day it happened I have to say, I DID see more explosions than the ones caused by the planes and this goes out to everyone who ever doubted I saw them, I F**KING TOLD YOU SO! Not to mention the fact that I have always thought it was bs anyways because what group of 100+ americans is going to sit idle and let 9 guys with box cutters threaten everyone in that plane?, and if they did, then this country really has become the biggest nation of poons ever.

(Now i predict a resonse by someone around the lines of, "those videos could have been tampered with and the pictures could have been photoshoped") *sigh*
 
They don't have to be melted... they just have to weakened enough that they'll fail to support the weight of the floors above them. It's been said over and over again. Don't you think it would make you look less retarded to read some of the explanation of the phenomena rather than show how much of a shitty community college you go to?

God damn these people are making a great argument for eugenics.
 
Firestreak said:
They don't have to be melted... they just have to weakened enough that they'll fail to support the weight of the floors above them. It's been said over and over again. Don't you think it would make you look less retarded to read some of the explanation of the phenomena rather than show how much of a shitty community college you go to?

God damn these people are making a great argument for eugenics.
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First off, your just being a dickhead, flat out, and secondly, no, not possible. Theres absolutely no way, especially with the 2nd tower, that it could have happened that way. That plane clipped the corner of the buidling, theres no way that fire could have spread, and caused enough damage in around an hr to cause the collapse of that entire building ESPECIALLY considering those buildings were built with the intent to withstand hurricanes and other disasters, so even if the fires caused the steel girters to weaken and fail, the building itself wouldn't have failed, especially in the manner that it did, that was an implosion, you dumbass. Also, the buldings cores were the strongest parts of them, they were struck above the cores, that would have stopped the complete destruction of the towers. And you mean to tell me that throughout history buildings have withstood much worse and not collapsed but the 2 towers that have been described as nearly indesructible, were brought down by that? Theres was a tornado not too long ago where I live from what I have been told by friends and family alike, it directly hit a bank of america tower, that bulding DID NOT COLLAPSE! it was refinished into a tower of condos, now if this normal local tower can withstand a direct hit from a tornado, why couldnt these towers withstand those planes? Now, I will say this, the first tower, yes it is possible that the hit from the plane could have caused enough damage to cause the integrity to be compramised, but it wouldn't have failed as a whole, the second tower, could not have been compramised enough from the plane clipping it to cause that.
With me so far? now lets examine this in more detail. the second tower was clipped on the corner of the building, so theoretically, according to the laws of physics, when that tower went down, by all means the top should have collapsed and fell to the side, instead it fell directly down like the first one did afterwards. Now, go ahead and argue, im sure you will find some way to, but theres one thing for certain, I did not post intending on starting a fucking war, and you had to be an asshole and start one anyways, so now, just to show you what a fucking moron you are, I will go ahead and stay up arguing with you, researching everything I can/have to to prove to you that THERE IS NO WAY THOSE TOWERS COLLAPSED BECAUSE OF THOSE PLANES!:rtfm:
 
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