A certain ranger named Aldowin

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Okay here it goes. . .

I was in CN ( Need I say more, but I will, ) with a kind of weak party.
One of our members disbands so we invite this ranger / warrior.
Okay gear, even though the new noct gear is cheap shit if it's not +1, he only had his doubllet HQ,

So the THF / NIN decides to take a break, eating some food, and we ask the ranger to pull.
He replies back he does not want to pull...
I'm shocked and say, "Well what the fuck are you ranger for, it's kind of your job your know."
He says, "since when does it become rangers job to pull?"
I reply, "Since when does it become a whm's job to cure? why can't he nuke? Or perhaps why does a paladin have to tank?"
"I don't need this ," he says, just before disbanding...
So I appoligoze for arguing with him and called him a ignorant fool.

But wait! there's more!

We start playing more after we invite another member and i see him pulling in another party.

haha, what a faggot tool.
 
wow

Ok man for one, the THF took off like he was going to pull, thats when I asked "Hey (name i cannot remember) are you pulling?".
Then he goes "Oh yah RNG, i guess not."
Then i replied. "Oh ok you can pull b/c im tired of pulling"
He also stated that he was tired of pulling
Then i said "OK, ill pull then :)"

Then somewhere along those lines you decided to open your cock suckin-mouth and say "Well, it is your JOB to pull."

And i asked where it was stated that it was my specific job to pull, knowing that i am usually the one that pulls, and i dont need to be told that. Some ppl like thfs pulling b/c of that little JA known as "Flee"

And to hear from an LS member that you tried to put me on blast on QCDN. and not say something to my face. Which i was sitting right there w/ my flag up (btwi was picked up by a party not 5min after i disbanded which got me 3k into 38, ty Torque ^^) ....remember you examined me. :shock:
So if you would like to talk any more shit please send me a /tell sometime.

Your pathetic man, i have nothing more to say than get the facts straight.
 
Yeah what the hell is the deal with rangers who don't want to pull? I actually joined a party in garlaige citadel when I was in my low 30s and we had a ranger who had no ranged weapon on them. We started killing and they never shot so someone asked what the hell was the deal and they said they had left their bow in their MH for some reason. >< We had to wait for them to run back to jeuno and get a bow before we could start again and after about an hour they ran out of arrows (Which were crappy anyways if i remember right... the one you use before iron arrows. I forget which that is)

People start ranger because they partied with a few before and were like wow that guy does a lot of damage i wanna be like him! But being a good ranger takes plenty of financial backing and the most annoying thing to me is when noobs try to become Budget-Rangers and end up sucking ass and leeching xp. :/
 
Sindern said:
Yeah what the hell is the deal with rangers who don't want to pull?
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couldn't find the edit button. I meant rangers who refuse to pull. I've had a few who have adamantly refused to pull because they don't like doing it when the only other way to pull is voke-pulls, jump-pulls or something similar.
 
theres 2 reasons why ranger IS NOT the better puller.
1. in some areas like the jungles bow delay simply wont net the pt many mobs when theres 16 other vokers/jumpers/ hell even rang throwers out there too.
2. in some areas, the delay on a gun or a bow means times of inability to pull effectively due to clusters of linking mobs and slow weapons. ie: boyada tree darters.
can a rng pull well anyway? yes, but thats not a job factor, thats a player factor.
i have let others pull for me with voke/poison, etc in those 2 situations for the better of the pt overall. i still perfer pulling, as i think im fairly good at it, but its not my job that makes me good at it.
at these times its actually effective to have the rng scanning and not needing to run, directing the puller to likely mobs, or areas on the map.
~Syn
 
Lol ok aldowin, i was laughing at you the whole time you were in the other party, yes at you. I was waiting for you to say something...

And I know that a THF / NIN should pull before a RNG / WAR
But the THF was busy,

And to syn, I get what you mean, but by the massive attack on the crawlers in CN there are hardly any links, And if you pull with a crossbow it could be faster pulls, Yes.

Anyhow I'm just saying the way the ranger acted was arrogant and stupid.

PS> 3000xp and into 38 huh? Is that supposed to be good?
PS> I Do know what it's llike to be ranger as i have a level 37 ranger / ninja.

:evil:
 
yeah i grow weary of pulling as a thf....... used to sitting between fights as a blm.... but i know i must do it....

now the scale of balance-a-ma-thingy

Good points about Thf pulls
- Perfect dodge serves no better purpose than to fix up a messed up linked pull.
- Flee is also good for that messy pull
- Boomerang is speedy compared to some other ranged i guess.

Good points about RNG pulls
- Wide Scan
- Arrow/bolt/bullet damage seems higher than that of a boomerang and chances are, the ranger will at least hit the mob.

Ok i know a thief can use a bow/gun/crossbow as well... but rangers are good at it^^
 
Good points about RNG pulls
- Wide Scan
- Arrow/bolt/bullet damage seems higher than that of a boomerang and chances are, the ranger will at least hit the mob.
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Ok In my experience these are not good points about Rng pulling. For one, I have yet to use Widescan on a pull. Yeah I havent been past 45, but I have never been in a situation where it was needed. Perhaps that changes but I'm not sure. Secondly, the Rng hitting is actually sort of a problem. Take my experience with bats in Garlaige Citadel the other day. Beetles not so much of an issue as I dont really start hurting them unless I have X-bow on. I hit a bat for 80-90 damage on the pull right. I run back and get ready to turn around. War or Nin provokes and I shoot again. Second shot and bam I have hate already. I have to not shoot for 15 seconds before that person gets hate back with another provoke and then I can let loose. The high damage of a Rng makes it detrimental in some cases I believe.

Now I don't care about pulling. I do it, sometimes I get tired of it and if someone else can I ask if they will. If they dont then it sucks to be me. Its a big responsibility. You are the determining factor of how fast exp is gained and have to be a good judge of how ready your pt is to fight again. Rng are expected to pull because they are guaranteed to have a ranged weapon. No other party member will for sure have one. Therein lies the reason. I have noticed that Thf and even Nin are better pullers. If the Ninja is tanking then I'd rather not have them pull as no point wasting shadows.

Ok on a side note, Synical this is directed at you. I have become serious with Ranger lately and have been debating weapon choice. Now I use Great Bow +1 now and either horn or silver arrows. I also have Power Crossbow and use a combination of Acid Bolts and Holy Bolts (such a cool noise when they hit ^^). Now I notice that my Crossbow seems to do more damage in the long run. I enjoy using it too. Now which weapon is going to be more effective later on. Obviously I will level both Archery and Marksmanship but say 40+, which is going to be most effective? Bow, Xbow, or Gun? I was planning on using Gun when silver bullets became avaliable. I can tell you now I will never get Eurytos Bow. I also heard that Xbow is actually the highest DOT when you get the Orthinius Bow. So any input you can give me I'll take and thanks.
 
xKronox said:
And to syn, I get what you mean, but by the massive attack on the crawlers in CN there are hardly any links, And if you pull with a crossbow it could be faster pulls, Yes.
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1. unless your xping with a xbow, switching from one weapon to another is a good idea why? /farewell tp.
and i was not referring to crawlers, i believe i mentioned darters. try a sarnga on the ones near the ancient gobbue and perhaps youll see what i meant.

Faedryth,
guns are worthless until 50. then you can consider silver bulletts and serpintene > musketeers > hellfire. the damage will be better than a bow, but not by gigantic numbers per fight. i was sorely dissappointed with the cost vs damage gain and decided it was not worth it.
as for bow vs crossbow.
crossbow as a main weapon is viable but imho pointless before othinus. there are not really any comprable crosbows to othinus and the ah selection pales when compared to +1 bows. youll probably do more per mob with a xbow pre othinus just shooting, however your WS will suffer and likely do less per hit than with an equal level bow + arrow combo.
i suggest keeping both capped and trying both combinations. either one will take you to 75 easily, its simply a metter of which one you like better.
~Syn
 
i dont like pulling that well but i do it. first i loose tons of pools to wars do to the fact of voke is so so much faster then a bow or even a crossbow/x bow. sedond widescan is nigh useless in a packed or competitive pulling area. reason? by the time it comes up you cylce through the horribly large list of mobs and find the one were you want it and lock in its gone. but yeah we do have some advantages namely people being afraid to go to an area because of a gob i get away shoot a mandy and walk to the side furthest away from the gob, the range of a bow or crossbow way outperforms voke. so personally i think if someone isnt the tank and has voke that they would do better in a packed area such as yhoater and such, but in a more open enviorment the ranger beats all in pulling. my two cents
 
Thanks a bunch Synical. That is what I was going to do I believe. Though I was gonna get the Serpentine now and blow a stack of bullets just to see what gun was about but Ill wait till Silver Bullets are avaliable. Guess Ill stick with Bow and Xbow. I usually use Xbow on high def mobs as I can lower their defense and the added damage from Holy Bolts is not really affected i believe.
 
this whole spinoff doesnt belong in this thread but ill keep it here for readability sake.
actually the cool part about the acid/holy bolt combo is that the add damage from the holys dont appear to add into the Hate.
i noticed a long time ago that if i use a bow + arrow combo on a given mob for ill get hate easily and fast.
taking the same mobs same pt session and going to othinus acid/holy, ill do almost Equal damage with the holy add dmg added onto the bolt (maybe 5-7 less per shot) however ill not get hate unless i try to.
comes in handy sometimes ^^.
~Syn
 
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