a n00b 38 WHM and THF

[Raesylil]

I was really furious after last night's party and I still cant believe what had happened so I'm posting it here.

Ok, I'm a 38 RDM now but when the party was started I was at 37. Anyway it RDM(me), THF, WHM, BLM, DRK, and PLD.
My party leader decided to go to the Crawler's Nest so we go and start killing crawlers. However, the exp was getting bad because there were people who couldn't chain with the weapons they had.
My first beef was this....
The THF didn't want to pull!! AND once we got to the CN he even had the gall to say that if anybody wants him to pull to supply him with the bow and arrows!
The party assembled in Jeuno...he had time to get his ranged weapons together! He should assume that he should be the one pulling if there was no RNG to do so!
Once he gets into higher levels, no pt is gonna take that!

Anyway the DRK decides to pull with his magic and the pt starts to get on a roll and the PLD leaves because I guess the exp wasn't really all that great. So we find a WAR to tank. The party tries the crawlers again but not much exp again. So the THF leaves and we got a MNK.
We decided to move onto Nest Beetles hoping for more exp and we did get more but with a lot of downtime as a price.
Why?
The WHM wasn't really up to notch with the healing. He was basically sitting there occasionally healing. And he would use alot of CureIIIs (which would get him alot of hate) when he did cure.

Aren't WHMs supposed to heal but try not to get as much hate as possible? I mean if you were PLing a pt or someone you would use CureIIs and IIIs to get the hate, right?

Anyway, the DRK and BLM had to go and so we got another WAR and THF and thank god, this one pulled. So we still fight the beetles and getting good exp and started to chain. The party was rolling in on the exp, which was great.
The WHM was still not keeping the healing up. On top of that, he wasn't resting either so of course his MP gets pretty low after two fights! Of course there's alot of downtime.

At one point we had two beetles link and I jumped in to melee because one of the WAR got killed because I couldn't heal in time and my MP was running low. One beetle down and one more to go and we were doing alright despite that one WAR down.
The WHM dies but I guess he had Reraise casted on him so he came back to life. But still this dude had way more MP than me. He could have still healed, the beetle's HP was all the way down to 5-10%. We could have won with one casualty.
But noooo!!! Instead what does this idiot do?! He decides to rest and gain more MP!! I had 6MP at that point, not really able to anything much.
Guess how much this dude had! He had close to 90MP; that's enough to heal the other WAR who really needed it.

But the ultimate thing that just pushed me over the cliff was that he sent me a /tell which said for me (the rdm) to rest so that I (the rdm)can heal.
WTF?!?!?!
He had more MP than me, had time to heal the WAR when the mob's HP was really low. And he has the nerve to tell me to heal?!
Honestly, my MP couldn't do jack, even if I did distance myself from the mob, it wouldnt have let me heal fully, let alone that it wouldnt have let me rest at all. And I'm positive that it wouldn't have let me because it went after our resting WHM!

That was it.
The pt got killed, I homepointed because I didn't want to stick around him.

And thats my first flame post>.<

 

[Eulore]

*waits for the deadhorse-ness*

 

[Stouter]

At one point we had two beetles link and I jumped in to melee because one of the WAR got killed because I couldn't heal in time and my MP was running low.

...

I had 6MP at that point, not really able to anything much.

I can only assume from your story that you're a rdm. Please don't call others noobs when you're a rdm that melees when you run out of mp and the party is in trouble.

 

[Daggett]

*waits for the deadhorse-ness*

Hey, I PT'd with you the other night!

:O

 

[Kizaryo]

Still..from a party perspective, the WHM should've done his job.
I believe this was the main point of the arguement.
I'm no WHM,..but come on from previous FF games what do WHMs do?
Heal like a madman (or woman). {of course...granted its done skillfully and at the time of need}

Quite frankly at high levels even a WHM would get booted for not doing his/her job. All it takes is a non-tolerating PT leader or group..and boom they get the boot.

Try not to worry too much. You will come across people like that whom do don't their job, or pick at things when they have faults of their own.
This game is just filled with every kind of person you can think of.

At one point we had two beetles link and I jumped in to melee because one of the WAR got killed because I couldn't heal in time and my MP was running low.

...

I had 6MP at that point, not really able to anything much.

I can only assume from your story that you're a rdm. Please don't call others noobs when you're a rdm that melees when you run out of mp and the party is in trouble.

 

[Raesylil]

Ok so if you were the RDM what would you have done?
With only 6MP left?
When you know if you do rest to try to heal that the mob is going to go after you?
MP isnt that easy to get back and considering the situation, I'm not even sure the action I took was right...but still the WHM should have done his part.
I only took the action I took because I thought it was the best thing to do. Maybe if I didn't melee the result may have been different but my point is that the WHM wasnt doing his job when he had enough MP to heal and was resting instead.
If he had done what he was supposed to do, the result would have (and I'm sure of it) been different.

 

[Flip]

Yeah crappy WHM, but when your MP is low and you new you had a crappy WHM, you should of Rested so when you got 30-60 mp you could stand and cure , if/when the whm was going to cure you dont know, so you should of bein healing, as a RDM i time myself, if i notice the WHM is healing , and is doing a bad job I amalysis the situation and will sometimes sit down at maybe 50-60 MP jsut to make sure that when the WHM sits down and heals i can stand up with my 120 MP or so and through some CURE II.

I dont know if this makes since but pretty much i would say , dont engage, i you wont do enough damage to really help out. MP MP MP is what you need.

 

[Courtney]

Everyone a noob at 36 (or everyone I ever knew was...). Everyone makes mistakes under pressure, especially when inexperienced. Everyone has noob party wipes...

The more experienced you get the more you can instinctively do the right things when problems happen, but even after being a 75RDM for 9 months I still occasionally (I hope only occasionally...) make bad choices in new situations...

Your tank was dead, your MP was low, your WHM had just reraised, and you were out of MP. That's not the time to mellee, that's the time to get any piece of hMP gear you have on, and rest, and pray to Altana that your mellees can survive till you have enough MP to keep them alive for a bit longer...

But experiences like this is how everyone learns... (especially seeing most people seem to be getting powerlevelled past Qufim now... is it any wonder players don't know their jobs...)

 

[Myrrh]

Now I myself a whm have NEVER done anything like that. The only thing i do thats noobish is as a joke i ask to tank or to pull. ;p but the pt knows i joke and its funny lol. I also have a bad habbit of rarely healing myself i tend to put my MP to the tanks or DD's health and i know its bad but i would rather die with reraise on then have someone else die.

 

[Bluefrost]

I also have a bad habbit of rarely healing myself i tend to put my MP to the tanks or DD's health and i know its bad but i would rather die with reraise on then have someone else die.

Really, you're not supposed to heal yourself if you get hate. You cure yourself, thus establishing more hate. You wait til the PLD or RDM or whoever cures you, or throw up a Regen.

 

[vang]

As long as threads like these keep popping up without names they will always be worthless.

Put names up or shut up please.

 

[Mishaela]

The WHM sounds crappy, but you didn't boot him or anything. So no comfort there...


At one point two beetles link....how? Unless you were camping in the middle of the room, there shouldn't be any way for them to get close enough to link at all....and if the THF actually linked those two beetle mid-pull, why didn't you just have him eat a death? :?

 

[Raesylil]

*sigh*
in any case i learned stuff from that party, whether they were good or bad.
so maybe i did use bad judgement and that may have costed the party wipeout. in either case whether i did use good or bad judgement, i'm not sure if that would have made a difference.

well, that was my first flame and hopefully my last so thanks everyone for your input and time.

 

[gutress]

Pre 40/41 you don't have the option to get free MP every 10 minutes or wait for more. That being said, with 6mp a weakened WHM and melees hanging on for dear life you should've rested. In the future take a knee far before you decide to pull that sword out.