Absolute Virtue

The only reason zerg works like that on DL is cause you can have 60 people attacking him at once. Sea isn't dynamis and thus it wouldn't work in any shape, way, or form. Hell even then, Ikari gave more than enough reasons <_<
 
Dowzer said:
Apparently there is a way to lock his maximum HP.

Benediction proved this...
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Well, you don't really lock his HP. His HP seem to be completely random throughout the fight. One Benediction at 50% might cure him for 50k HP, while the second one do 38k, and the third one 42k. Almost like he changes jobs throughout the fight. Well, either that, or his large ammount of HP makes the HP bar screw up :p every 1% is 10k HP anyway...
 
Maybe he has a Nomad moogle with /invis O.o
 
Myrrh said:
Maybe he has a Nomad moogle with /invis O.o
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Not only 1, he have 4 ;)

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NPC/Monster List Entry 01021236 garu <- lol <.<
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Also, for PLDs tanking him. Would a magic damage taken -% or wind/fire equipment builds make any difference for Meteor/Comet/Aeroga IV? Including Shadow ring?

Uzor said:
Well, you don't really lock his HP. His HP seem to be completely random throughout the fight. One Benediction at 50% might cure him for 50k HP, while the second one do 38k, and the third one 42k. Almost like he changes jobs throughout the fight. Well, either that, or his large ammount of HP makes the HP bar screw up :p every 1% is 10k HP anyway...
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Interesting, I never considered he can change jobs...I always thought he -is- all jobs.

What about those chains / bands that wrap around Aerns wrists? Do those have anything to do with enfeebling him?
 
Myrrh said:
The only reason zerg works like that on DL is cause you can have 60 people attacking him at once. Sea isn't dynamis and thus it wouldn't work in any shape, way, or form. Hell even then, Ikari gave more than enough reasons <_<
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Well obviously he's not unbeatable just no one has figured out how. You can also sub people in and out of the alliance while he is being zerged maybe in groups of six.

Unless you figure out a way to lock out his two hours I don't really see any other way besides zerging him. Kirin can be killed in 60 secs and he can't be stunned and he's got what 30k hp not counting regen? So it would take 3-4 mins to knock out 100k hp. And you would probably need an alliance plus an additional 36 LS members at full TP to rotate in and out.

I don't know how you can be so sure if no one has even made a structured attempt, rotating players in and out to zerg him.... It would take alot of coordination but if you eliminate the Regen and get past that first 5% it could be worth trying.

And if that plan failed miserable so be it. I just think it would be worth a try.
 
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Tomasello said:
Unless you figure out a way to lock out his two hours I don't really see any other way besides zerging him. Kirin can be killed in 60 secs and he can't be stunned and he's got what 30k hp not counting regen? So it would take 3-4 mins to knock out 100k hp. And you would probably need an alliance plus an additional 36 LS members at full TP to rotate in and out.
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If you cant lock his 2hrs, you cant kill him. Its that simple. He can instantly kill every melee on him, and then benediction for all that HP back. Imagine Kirin, where he used astral Flow every 10 seconds, and you couldnt resist the damage. Now pretend he has 50x the HP, and can restore it all at will.

Zerging is actualy the LEAST likely way to beat AV.
 
Dowzer said:
Also, for PLDs tanking him. Would a magic damage taken -% or wind/fire equipment builds make any difference for Meteor/Comet/Aeroga IV? Including Shadow ring?
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Well, if you can manage to get an Aegis and a Defending Ring,you can bump down the Meteor damage to 3k or so, and Aeroga IV to 2k.

However, I think Absolute Virtue's magic accuracy is rather low. From the very first fight LimitBreak did (I talked to one of their members during last maintaince), with a simple Baraera with cleric's legs bumped the magic down from 3k to 1,5k or something, when they got hit solo. So if you have several people in range, it would be "handable" assuming everyone have baraera. Meteor would still fuck you up though due to lack of barfira.

Interesting, I never considered he can change jobs...I always thought he -is- all jobs.

What about those chains / bands that wrap around Aerns wrists? Do those have anything to do with enfeebling him?
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Well, bracelets are similar to phuabo's open-mouth form, only it doesn't give them a weakness (I think). It basically doubles their attack speed. Normal Aerns can take them out and remove them, but Aern NM's have them on constantly after a certain %.
 
Tomasello said:
Well obviously he's not unbeatable just no one has figured out how. You can also sub people in and out of the alliance while he is being zerged maybe in groups of six.

Unless you figure out a way to lock out his two hours I don't really see any other way besides zerging him. Kirin can be killed in 60 secs and he can't be stunned and he's got what 30k hp not counting regen? So it would take 3-4 mins to knock out 100k hp. And you would probably need an alliance plus an additional 36 LS members at full TP to rotate in and out.

I don't know how you can be so sure if no one has even made a structured attempt, rotating players in and out to zerg him.... It would take alot of coordination but if you eliminate the Regen and get past that first 5% it could be worth trying.
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Hahaha... People have had "structured attempts" - more than you would believe. But thank you for your valid input, all the sea shells wasting their time just /slapping AV to death can finally have something to work towards thanks to your overwhelming problem solving skills!

It has been suggested before that AV was designed to be invincible in its current state; at this point in time I would not possess the gall to state that he is "obviously beatable".
 
Tomasello said:
Well obviously he's not unbeatable just no one has figured out how. You can also sub people in and out of the alliance while he is being zerged maybe in groups of six.

Unless you figure out a way to lock out his two hours I don't really see any other way besides zerging him. Kirin can be killed in 60 secs and he can't be stunned and he's got what 30k hp not counting regen? So it would take 3-4 mins to knock out 100k hp. And you would probably need an alliance plus an additional 36 LS members at full TP to rotate in and out.

I don't know how you can be so sure if no one has even made a structured attempt, rotating players in and out to zerg him.... It would take alot of coordination but if you eliminate the Regen and get past that first 5% it could be worth trying.

And if that plan failed miserable so be it. I just think it would be worth a try.
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What part of "Any 2-hour anytime he goddamn feels like it" do you not understand? Any and all strategy is moot when the mob has infinite HP because of 0-recast Benediction. The insta-cast alliance-wiping Meteor is just an extra.
 
Mai Ikari said:
What part of "Any 2-hour anytime he goddamn feels like it" do you not understand? Any and all strategy is moot when the mob has infinite HP because of 0-recast Benediction. The insta-cast alliance-wiping Meteor is just an extra.
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For the last time the idea is to kill him in less the 3-4 mins before he uses any 2 hours.... if he 2 hours every 30 secs then whatever it doesn't work but that does not appear to be the case..

I'm sure Benediction is just one of many random 2 hours he can use and not triggered by low hp or something. The faster you kill it the less likely he'll Benediction on you.

To all you "Zomg AV is impossible" people why would SE bother address a way to stop his regen if he wasn't designed to be killed? That's doesn't make any sense.
 
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Tomasello said:
Well obviously he's not unbeatable just no one has figured out how. You can also sub people in and out of the alliance while he is being zerged maybe in groups of six.

Unless you figure out a way to lock out his two hours I don't really see any other way besides zerging him. Kirin can be killed in 60 secs and he can't be stunned and he's got what 30k hp not counting regen? So it would take 3-4 mins to knock out 100k hp. And you would probably need an alliance plus an additional 36 LS members at full TP to rotate in and out.

I don't know how you can be so sure if no one has even made a structured attempt, rotating players in and out to zerg him.... It would take alot of coordination but if you eliminate the Regen and get past that first 5% it could be worth trying.

And if that plan failed miserable so be it. I just think it would be worth a try.
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That "strategy," and I'm using the term loosely, would fail after 4 minutes, unless you bring about 300 people to constantly swap in and out. The time it would take to swap people in and out would give AV more than enough time to regen the hp back. Not to mention after that 4 minutes, you'd pretty much be fucked for actually killing him, since you blew almost all of your power just to beat the regen.

TP burning kirin isn't a real strategy so much as just "hey, look what I can do." Kind of like brd/nin tanking fafnir. It's not a real strategy, it's just throwing power at it; obviously SE designed Absolute Virtue to actually require some thought to kill, so a zerg won't work.
 
Kaizen wiped after 55 sec due to AV casting Aeroga IV etc. Even if you had 300 people, he'd wipe 1 alliance in 55 sec, and then you'd need to bring in another alliance. And still, even if you could bring him down to 50% HP in 2 min, there's still 2 more min before he's dead to use another 2 hour.

Below 60% when he pops his bracelets, he use all 2-hours in groups.

Invincible + benediction + Mijin
Meiku Shisui+ Eagle Eye Shot
Manafont + chainspell
Astral Flow + Soul voice
Hundred Fists + Mighty Strikes

The others I don't remember, but I believe he might use Blood Weapon with Hundred Fists and Mighty Strikes.
 
Tomasello said:
For the last time the idea is to kill him in less the 3-4 mins before he uses any 2 hours.... if he 2 hours every 30 secs then whatever it doesn't work but that does not appear to be the case..

I'm sure Benediction is just one of many random 2 hours he can use and not triggered by low hp or something. The faster you kill it the less likely he'll Benediction on you.

To all you "Zomg AV is impossible" people why would SE bother address a way to stop his regen if he wasn't designed to be killed? That's doesn't make any sense.
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He is impossible until someone figures out the trick to beat him. Everyone has already thought of a zerg, it's already been tried and it's failed every time. Everyone else is trying to think of actual plans that might kill him, not just reuse the same plan over and over and watching it fail each time.
 
Myrrh said:
That's just mean....
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Yeah, that might as well be another Invincible, Benediction, Mijin Gakure combo.

Bajaratt said:
He is impossible until someone figures out the trick to beat him. Everyone has already thought of a zerg, it's already been tried and it's failed every time. Everyone else is trying to think of actual plans that might kill him, not just reuse the same plan over and over and watching it fail each time.
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Strategy? In my FFXI?
 
Shut up, I'm tired and that's the first thing i saw <_<
 
Tomasello said:
For the last time the idea is to kill him in less the 3-4 mins before he uses any 2 hours.... if he 2 hours every 30 secs then whatever it doesn't work but that does not appear to be the case..

I'm sure Benediction is just one of many random 2 hours he can use and not triggered by low hp or something. The faster you kill it the less likely he'll Benediction on you.

To all you "Zomg AV is impossible" people why would SE bother address a way to stop his regen if he wasn't designed to be killed? That's doesn't make any sense.
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Killing AV in 3-4 minutes is downright impossible without CFH DL-scale zerg, and improbable then. And I'm talking nothing but KCSEBW DRKs, mind you. Because it has been tried. And hasn't worked.

AV was designed to be killed. But they most definately don't want him killed yet. Just look at all the stealth updates they've done to him whenever somebody managed to kill him.
 
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