Absolute Virtue

hellstorm said:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Latent_and_Hidden_Effects
notice every hidden effect that is unlockable has the words (latent <insert stat here> key word being "unlockable". Majority of the other, most likely all if you did back ground check hint to what there effect do. Now as I said before it is possible the jail weapons have hidden effect and the effect come within there name, but unlockable is highly improbable.
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Those hidden effects weren't released when the item came out, the only reason those were found is because of extensive testing.

You said it was impossible for them to have those effects and impossible for those effects to ever be added. Now, you're saying it's just not likely; I guess after 3 pages logic can penetrate even your thick skull.
 
Bajaratt said:
Those hidden effects weren't released when the item came out, the only reason those were found is because of extensive testing.

You said it was impossible for them to have those effects and impossible for those effects to ever be added. Now, you're saying it's just not likely; I guess after 3 pages logic can penetrate even your thick skull.
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It is impossible, for simple fact of the logic in it. Just take a sec and think if you was a designer for SE(and i mean really take a sec) would you create a "unlockable" weapon with no way of knowing if said effect was ready, and this effect can only be unlock by killing x mobs, to top this off the only way to test said effect is to hit a hnm that can wipe you in a micro sec and said effect may proc, on top of that this mob only pops once in a blue moon after killing another hnm. It amazes me you can even consider this possible. If this was true no one would ever find out how to unlock the weapon. It more likely when certain terms are met the weapon would proc.
 
to the members of kaizen, out of curiosity how many of the weapons was you using? one of each? To Jinzo do you happen to know in which job he was in, and did anyone try to fight him after(i know the was not group attack after but im talking anyone) If so what job did he kill you with.
 
hellstorm said:
to the members of kaizen, out of curiosity how many of the weapons was you using? one of each? To Jinzo do you happen to know in which job he was in, and did anyone try to fight him after(i know the was not group attack after but im talking anyone) If so what job did he kill you with.
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If you would actually bother to read and think about what it is you read, you'd have seen that Jinzo was on THF, and that yes, they did fight him once after the weapon proc'd.

Oh, and btw. You can't say its impossible. Because if my theory is correct, then it wasn't impossible to figure out. If my theory is wrong, then all it means is that the conditions I mentioned are wrong. It doesn't mean they don't have a hidden effect.

Additionally, Yes, you're partly right Bajaratt. I did agree wiht him not because I agreed myself, but because I love arguing. That was only half the truth though. I also stood up for him because he used to be a LS member (key word is used). However, we found out what a moron he really is, and is no longer in the LS. Call me an idiot, but I enjoy standing up for LS mates and friends. It also gives me more chances to take part in a personal hobby of mine :nyam:
 
Ok, all I saw since my last post was:

Hellstorm: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Skaw / Baja: *beats on Hellstorm with a logic stick*

Hellstorm: BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
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Anybody have the cliffnotes, or is that about accurate? Woke up an hour ago, not ready to get a migrane from reading his posts.
 
Uzor said:
If you would actually bother to read and think about what it is you read, you'd have seen that Jinzo was on THF, and that yes, they did fight him once after the weapon proc'd.

Oh, and btw. You can't say its impossible. Because if my theory is correct, then it wasn't impossible to figure out. If my theory is wrong, then all it means is that the conditions I mentioned are wrong. It doesn't mean they don't have a hidden effect.

Additionally, Yes, you're partly right Bajaratt. I did agree wiht him not because I agreed myself, but because I love arguing. That was only half the truth though. I also stood up for him because he used to be a LS member (key word is used). However, we found out what a moron he really is, and is no longer in the LS. Call me an idiot, but I enjoy standing up for LS mates and friends. It also gives me more chances to take part in a personal hobby of mine :nyam:
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Whatever I Left that linkshell because I was tired of seeing other people getting screwed over in limbus and sea. Also was tired of turning a blind eye to certain facts about antares, and a friend restarted the old shell I was in before and I decide to join him.

However this still don't change the fact that the logic in a unlockable hidden effect, and I did read there was no mention of the job AV was when he killed him or mention of what weapons kaizen was using just that they tp on arens and did use some the weapons.
 
hellstorm said:
Whatever I Left that linkshell because I was tired of seeing other people getting screwed over in limbus and sea. Also was tired of turning a blind eye to certain facts about antares, and a friend restarted the old shell I was in before and I decide to join him.

However this still don't change the fact that the logic in a unlockable hidden effect, and I did read there was no mention of the job AV was when he killed him or mention of what weapons kaizen was using just that they tp on arens and did use some the weapons.
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The reason I didn't mention what job he's on is that its generally believed that he's a DRG. The only weapon he use is a spear. It is impossible to check what job he's currently on as there's no viewable proof. Well, I won't say impossible, as it might be possible, just that no one have found a way to do it. Thus, I can't mention what job he was currently at.

Additionally, Kaizen did mention which weapons they used, and that they TP'd on 4 Aerns before that. So if you would actually read through the thread instead of playing ignorant, you would see that all of your questions were already answered more or less. Or perhaps you decided to turn your so-called blind eye towards other matters? That would explain why you can't read, nor type.
 
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meeze said:
I did 635 damage on mijin, just line up 1000 ninjas and all do a mass mijin orgy, problem solved.
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ya that the current theory knock it down 95% can kill wyverns, from what ive seen both mijin and chi do pretty good dmg so should not be to hard.
 
Uzor said:
The reason I didn't mention what job he's on is that its generally believed that he's a DRG. The only weapon he use is a spear. It is impossible to check what job he's currently on as there's no viewable proof. Well, I won't say impossible, as it might be possible, just that no one have found a way to do it. Thus, I can't mention what job he was currently at.

Additionally, Kaizen did mention which weapons they used, and that they TP'd on 4 Aerns before that. So if you would actually read through the thread instead of playing ignorant, you would see that all of your questions were already answered more or less. Or perhaps you decided to turn your so-called blind eye towards other matters? That would explain why you can't read, nor type.
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actually they did not list the weapon they said they tryed each weapon, Which is what I was wondering about did they actually have whm use a club, smn use a staff, and rng use axe. As for which job pretty easy to tell because he will most likely kill you with a 2hr, or if double atk is war, triple= thf, spells blm/rdm/drk. heals whm/pld and list go on.
 
hellstorm said:
ya that the current theory knock it down 95% can kill wyverns, from what ive seen both mijin and chi do pretty good dmg so should not be to hard.
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Other servers have also tried to lock it that way post patch, it doesn't work that way anymore.
 
hellstorm said:
actually they did not list the weapon they said they tryed each weapon, Which is what I was wondering about did they actually have whm use a club, smn use a staff, and rng use axe. As for which job pretty easy to tell because he will most likely kill you with a 2hr, or if double atk is war, triple= thf, spells blm/rdm/drk. heals whm/pld and list go on.
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... wow. Do you even think at times?

Most, if not all, mobs double attack. Hell, I'm sure you'll say AV is always a BLM due to casting black magic? Additionally, just because he use that 2-hour doesn't mean he IS that job. While yes, it is possible that he changes to that job for however long, I'm 100% sure he didn't use Charm before he engaged him with Justice Sword. The only time he'd actually be that job is during the 2-hour itself, as he used chainspell and then starts nuking you with Meteor and Comet, but I highly doubt he'd stay as that job for longer then that. Besides, I don't think anyone have reported Absolute Virtue ever Tripple Attackign during Perfect Dodge.

It is possible that he changes job, I mentioned that myself, but I dount its possible to see what job he is by watchign which 2-hour he used. I highly doubt he changes job while 2-houring for the simpel fact that he'd always cure himself for the same ammount during Benediction. If he changes jobs, he do it randomly, or a trigger that we haven't figured out yet. And I highly doubt the Jailer Weapons only work when he's a specific job, as we'd have seen the message before.

Oh, and btw, I do believe "Every jailer weapon" mean they used all of them, no? Unless the meaning of "Every" changed recently.
 
can anyone answer me a quick question. what race is the THF who got this message?
 
I believe Jinzo is a Hume.
 
well idk but there's some theory on KI about races and the weapons and each races sins, what drives them. maybe you could try that. or try the the hume thf with justice crap again and see if it happens.
 
Ya know,

Nevermin-

Wait...

bullshit.jpg


100% Nonsense.

There are no "tricks" to killing mobs in this game. Everything is straight forward unless BROKEN.
 
xKronox said:
Ya know,

Nevermin-

Wait...

bullshit.jpg


100% Nonsense.

There are no "tricks" to killing mobs in this game. Everything is straight forward unless BROKEN.
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Brigandish Blade? Jailer of Love? Jailer of Fortitude? Jailer of Temperance? And to some extent, Jailer of Prudence? Or have you ever even fought these?

Besides, you know there's no trick to it because...? The old trick (that was possibly a glitch) was killing his Wynavs.

First of, lolKI <.< that theory originated from lolAlakhazam. And no, I've already proven that theory wrong (about the sins), as Jinzo is, indeed, a hume. Additionally, we've had people of all kinds of races meleeing. While he can be right, he got the races all messed up. Kaizen had people of all races meleeing with jailer weapons, and nothing hapened. We've had a Mithra, Elvaan and Hume melee with Justice Sword, only the hume got the message. I also believe we had a Mithra meleeing with Prudence Rod, and nothing happened. We also had someone meleeking with Love Halberd (don't remember which race), we also had a Hume melee with Faith Bahgnaks, and nothing happened.

Besides, there's 7 jailer weapons, but only 5 races, so it doesn't add up. It doesn't neccesarily mean the theory is wrong, just that he have the race/weapon combinations all wrong. Possibly the last 2 weapons all races can use.
 
Uzor said:
Brigandish Blade? Jailer of Love? Jailer of Fortitude? Jailer of Temperance? And to some extent, Jailer of Prudence? Or have you ever even fought these?

Besides, you know there's no trick to it because...? The old trick (that was possibly a glitch) was killing his Wynavs.

First of, lolKI <.< that theory originated from lolAlakhazam. And no, I've already proven that theory wrong (about the sins), as Jinzo is, indeed, a hume. Additionally, we've had people of all kinds of races meleeing. While he can be right, he got the races all messed up. Kaizen had people of all races meleeing with jailer weapons, and nothing hapened. We've had a Mithra, Elvaan and Hume melee with Justice Sword, only the hume got the message. I also believe we had a Mithra meleeing with Prudence Rod, and nothing happened. We also had someone meleeking with Love Halberd (don't remember which race), we also had a Hume melee with Faith Bahgnaks, and nothing happened.

Besides, there's 7 jailer weapons, but only 5 races, so it doesn't add up. It doesn't neccesarily mean the theory is wrong, just that he have the race/weapon combinations all wrong. Possibly the last 2 weapons all races can use.
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No, he hasn't. He doesn't even have Sea yet. There is nothing wrong with trying to figure out a mob so if you don't have anything good to say, Krono, please DONT POST HERE!
 
Uzor said:
Brigandish Blade? Jailer of Love? Jailer of Fortitude? Jailer of Temperance? And to some extent, Jailer of Prudence? Or have you ever even fought these?
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Don't forget ToAU Beastmen. There's ways to cause them to do weird stuff, like intimidating Mamool Ja.
 
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