Absolution -- Dynamis Zone Sniping

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You people do know Mansin is just a massive troll. I'm sure he bots but he's prolly only continuing this to get reactions out of you. He'll prolly take the quotes he finds funny, run off to Bg, and post them in some stupid thread going "Lawl, look at how stupid quetz is"
 
You people do know Mansin is just a massive troll. I'm sure he bots but he's prolly only continuing this to get reactions out of you. He'll prolly take the quotes he finds funny, run off to Bg, and post them in some stupid thread going "Lawl, look at how stupid quetz is"

This would be a good theory if he was successfully connecting attacks to others to incite the flames. I think it's more like people seeing a self-proclaimed botter who doesn't know how to make defensive arguments on a forum, so they're just taking their general aggression toward botters out on the poor idiot.
 
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Botting is old news. It does not make you scum. It does not make you bad ass. It does not make your /war aegis hold hate better on HNM. It does not make espressos with cream.

Square Enix shot themselves in the foot the moment they failed to see beyond the horrible system of HNM and the ways to hack them. Square Enix failed when they lacked to implement any sort of anti cheating software like punkbuster.

Even then there will always be ways to cheat. Just get used to it. It's not really that immoral. I've done it. I'm man enough to say that I have. The only thing botting is really effective on is the 3 kings, and KA. Absolution doesn't need to bot outside of land kings because they basically get free Sandworms, Dark Ixions, Tiamat, Cerbs, etc. If the old crew actually gave a fuck anymore and got thier shit rolling again, then yeah, maybe they would have to bot that too. Honestly it's more about gear. It's like people fail to realize how profitable it is when you sell this shit.
 
This would be a good theory if he was successfully connecting attacks to others to incite the flames. I think it's more like people seeing a self-proclaimed botter who doesn't know how to make defensive arguments on a forum, so they're just taking their general aggression toward botters out on the poor idiot.

Who are you again?
 
mansin AKA frostedbutts AKA Archaon, botting, no matter how you describe it is still botting. Just like in counterstrike, you need to prove your better than everyone else by claiming more(as in CS, gettin more kills/headshots) yet it doest show any skill. You're still a nub...You like to talk shit, and use your bots to claim.

at least we know theres 2 current shells that Bot, Absolution, and Sativa
 
mansin AKA frostedbutts AKA Archaon, botting, no matter how you describe it is still botting. Just like in counterstrike, you need to prove your better than everyone else by claiming more(as in CS, gettin more kills/headshots) yet it doest show any skill. You're still a nub...You like to talk shit, and use your bots to claim.

at least we know theres 2 current shells that Bot, Absolution, and Sativa

You're an idiot. Do you have any idea how many CPL players bot in casual games to rage people in CS? I'm sure there's even some CPL players who bot in tournaments. The two CPL players I know IRL owned the tools on their computers.

Botting isn't a big deal. It's not a pissing contest. It's just to make sure that after 3 goddamn hours of camping you don't lose it to some dickwads who will take 50mins to kill it. This game has always had a very possessive nature about it, and a very competitive one at that.
 
Botting isn't a big deal. It's not a pissing contest. It's just to make sure that after 3 goddamn hours of camping you don't lose it to some dickwads who will take 50mins to kill it. This game has always had a very possessive nature about it, and a very competitive one at that.

To me, Botting is a big deal, and it does seem like a pissing contest. I dont care that itll gauruntee you a claim, it gives a disadvantage to people that dont bot, like me. I'd rather see someone legit claim and try to kill before it rages than the same LS claim day after day. Only reason it gets killed fast is cuz LS's claim so often they get used to fighting, which takes less time to kill

I would love to camp a full window w/o bots, but of course theres gonna be those people that just dont give a shit.

Aimbot, Claimbot, no difference to me, It's all the same
 
To me, Botting is a big deal, and it does seem like a pissing contest. I dont care that itll gauruntee you a claim, it gives a disadvantage to people that dont bot, like me. I'd rather see someone legit claim and try to kill before it rages than the same LS claim day after day. Only reason it gets killed fast is cuz LS's claim so often they get used to fighting, which takes less time to kill

I would love to camp a full window w/o bots, but of course theres gonna be those people that just dont give a shit.

Aimbot, Claimbot, no difference to me, It's all the same

All I read here is that you are admitting you can't do shit about it. And it sucks dick being on the other side of the fence.

You know, I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if you jumped to the other lawn.

You're just making botting into this delusional taboo like music downloading. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's not wrong, and you don't have to deal with the unnecessary hassles of otherwise obtaining wants the inferior way.
 
mansin AKA frostedbutts AKA Archaon, botting, no matter how you describe it is still botting. Just like in counterstrike, you need to prove your better than everyone else by claiming more(as in CS, gettin more kills/headshots) yet it doest show any skill. You're still a nub...You like to talk shit, and use your bots to claim.

at least we know theres 2 current shells that Bot, Absolution, and Sativa

I don't think you have all you're info on Sativa, we have to fight for our claims on hnms over Absolution.
 
I'm not in Absolution, dumb faggot. Read harder.

Hahahahaha, don't get fussy with me cause you dont know how to play this simple little mmo properly. Is'ums gonna go back to calling big bad names now? ;_; nooo please nooo, not on the forumz! I'm done with you junior, take your trolling ass back to the sandbox you have nothing left for anyone.

Happy Adventuring!
 
All I read here is that you are admitting you can't do shit about it. And it sucks dick being on the other side of the fence.

You know, I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if you jumped to the other lawn.

You're just making botting into this delusional taboo like music downloading. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's not wrong, and you don't have to deal with the unnecessary hassles of otherwise obtaining wants the inferior way.

Putting aside the statement about whether or not its wrong, it's pretty strange to state that it doesn't hurt anyone. The quote you responded to explicitly states a disadvantage that people who don't bot are being placed at. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say that he wouldn't be complaining if he were benefiting from it and then to say that nobody is at worse off for it... because the competitive nature of claiming is just that: competitive. Besides that, comparing it to downloading music is a pretty inaccurate analogy.

Anyways, If the goal is to justify or offer rationale as to why, it makes more sense to go Mansin's route than yours. We all know there is little to no correlation b/w botting and skill and there also tends to be little correlation b/w being morally "right" or "wrong" and the decision to bot as well.
 
This just makes no sense. You claim anyone who bots has no real life, and then when they defend themselves they automatically submit to admitting just that.

You still haven't defended the fact that your arguments are baseless. I made a spelling mistake, which you picked at, and then lumped me into the group with the "Absolution crew". I'm not in their linkshell, but it's the fact that any time botting comes up on QCDN you all act like it's the 8th deadly sin and completely misrepresent it.

How about this:
Everyone who doesn't bot has such a vapid and empty RL, because they're afraid of getting banned. They won't bot or attempt to excel at the game because if they got banned they'd commit suicide.

And that's a total fact, I won't listen to the other side.

I caught your sarcasm, and it's bullshit. Because I think it's bullshit, you'll listen to the other side.

It's not that "people" (regular, fun loving gamers) are afraid of getting banned if they want to use NASA or w/e fucking name they come up with. They don't use them because they know it's fucking WRONG!!! I believe Quetz is one of the only servers with their own forum (which you parasites dug into), and history has shown that no matter what turdburgerary happens, the core of our server will always watch out for ithe server. I think it's funny as fuck when your LS states that it came here because we are "weak" server (aka got underbid for your precious bot on another server), you get treated like shit, and try to justify your actions as a ls with pretty much this whole thread.

Whatever, I guess Abso won the battle because I spent 15 minutes of my life ranting about them.
 
All I read here is that you are admitting you can't do shit about it. And it sucks dick being on the other side of the fence.

Derb.org...Of course I cant do anything about it. What do ya want me todo, get bots to try to claim? Fuck that.
 
This is, again, another common misconception about botting. There's no risk involved in botting if you do it right. Like I said, I've been botting since day one, and have been once in my entire life for naming my mule Douchenozzle. SE doesn't know how to detect botting in their own game if done correctly.

You really have answered your own question here. I bot because the gear from the HNMs that I claim is sold to buyers for gil. My LS banks gil for the month and then pays out based on attendance. For me, botting enhances my gaming experience because if I bot, I get increased rewards.

Last month my payout was 6 million gil. With that gil, I bought six Cerberus Hides and and made two Cerberus Mantle +1s, which I sold for $390USD each. In the end, I get to play this game rather casually with my friends, in the top LS of the server, and make $6-800 a month just from bank payouts. This is also ignoring my profits from king arthro and salvage drops.

Remind me why not to bot again?

Does not matter how awesome you are, or how much gil you make from boting, you bot, you are a loser who cant do shit without cheating, and man oh man, you are actually trying to convince everyone nothing is wrong with boting?
 
I think it's funny as fuck when your LS states that it came here because we are "weak" server (aka got underbid for your precious bot on another server), you get treated like shit, and try to justify your actions as a ls with pretty much this whole thread.
Mansin isn't and never was in Absolution. He was in Insurrection and server transferred to Pandy a couple months after Insurrection disbanded.
 
It's a stupid argument to say that it's not wrong, or that it isn't harming anyone (maybe not directly, I'll give you that) but it's also beating a long dead horse to even talk about it in the first place.

People have been doing this for years. This server was somewhat of a haven for legit end-gamers for quite some time, possibly due to not having a dominant LS, maybe just good people. I'll go with the second.

Thing is, though, this kind of stuff has been going on forever. The other servers used to bitch about it, and you used to have the flavor of the month drama on BG and KI and those sites, but that started dying out after people got bored of posting in a 100 page thread every 2 weeks. Always the same stuff, didn't change anything

Every time someone brings up botting on here it's always the same thing. "Oooooh, shame on you. This is bad and you should feel bad, do you know how many people you're hurting? I'm gonna write a foul letter to your administration!"

Sure, I agree with you. But, after the 100th time, with no change in what they're doing, is it really neccessary to even post anymore? It just becomes a flame war, against the same people, perpetrated by the same people.
 
All I read here is that you are admitting you can't do shit about it. And it sucks dick being on the other side of the fence.

You know, I'm sure you wouldn't be complaining if you jumped to the other lawn.
You're just making botting into this delusional taboo like music downloading. It doesn't hurt anyone. It's not wrong, and you don't have to deal with the unnecessary hassles of otherwise obtaining wants the inferior way.

Some people have enough self-respect to know they'll never "jump to the other lawn." You know, when people talk shit about people botting, you saying they wouldn't complain if they were benefiting from botting makes absolutely no sense - because these people WOULD NOT bot.

It takes a special kind of moron to think botting is ok because it's "old news" and then try to justify it using just this argument. Just because people did this a while ago doesn't make it any more "ok" now. If you cheat, you're a cheater. It's just that simple.
 
This is, again, another common misconception about botting. There's no risk involved in botting if you do it right. Like I said, I've been botting since day one, and have been once in my entire life for naming my mule Douchenozzle. SE doesn't know how to detect botting in their own game if done correctly.

You really have answered your own question here. I bot because the gear from the HNMs that I claim is sold to buyers for gil. My LS banks gil for the month and then pays out based on attendance. For me, botting enhances my gaming experience because if I bot, I get increased rewards.

Last month my payout was 6 million gil. With that gil, I bought six Cerberus Hides and and made two Cerberus Mantle +1s, which I sold for $390USD each. In the end, I get to play this game rather casually with my friends, in the top LS of the server, and make $6-800 a month just from bank payouts. This is also ignoring my profits from king arthro and salvage drops.

Remind me why not to bot again?

My point was simply to have you outline your priorities - I was not going to make assumptions about why you bot merely have you state them so I could reply to them without relying on ambiguous assumptions. Seems I was succesful enough at that.

As far as RMT activity goes, I don't personally care that much, people who spend their money irl for items are the real dumbasses.

You bot because it enhances "your" experience which naturally is subjective. In almost tautological fashion this takes away any concrete justification for botting other than subjective reasons. Naturally this is a pretty big slippery slope. For instance, lets say I hacked accounts for RMT and because it really enhanced my experience. And I hacked your account. I am sure you wouldn't be too pleased with that because you place some value on your account - if you don't my offer to take it off your hands is still open. Point being relying entirely on subjective standards of "enhancing gameplay" that go beyond some baseline or rules will inevitably effect others in a negative way that goes beyond the definition of fairness. It is the simple principle of my right to punch you in the face only goes so far as your nose.

Not trying to get into a moral quibble with you, just trying to show you that you are inconsistent really (that is, as long as you would be the slightest bit annoyed when your account gets hacked, someone outbots you, or you don't give me your account). I think Sartre called this "Bad Faith", look it up.

While you are at it, look into the Tragedy of the Commons and Game Theory (I once put up a game showing how botting was a logical choice given SE's ignorance of it - that was like 3 years ago though, I think things have changed concerning SE's handling of ToS breakers compared to the time of high RMT activity). I don't want to explain all of this to you so I will cut to the chase about what this means.

Your choice to bot, because it is rooted in some subjective standard, is the same as free-riding (people who don't pay taxes on goods shared by all people who often pay taxes to maintain them), its the same as polluting a little bit more in industry, its the same as being inconsistent in your values, and in a different way its the same as posting humiliating shit and border animated kiddy porn under the anonymous name on 4chan. These are all what we call 'systemic problems', problems that arise out of people taking advantage of a system - doing it in one area justifies it in other areas.

My point is simply to show your priorities are a bit out of whack because you are obviously inconsistent in what you value - other than sitting behind a screen and pooping on everyone.

You are just some dude sitting behind a screen who feels empowered by botting, and that is whats sad. Its like shouting out to everyone that you feel the need to be empowered because you lack something. Its like shouting and screaming "GOD DAMMIT I AM DEFICIENT" to everyone and thinking what you are really saying is "I rise above all of you; I am the almighty defication". Its just sad to watch someone looking so pathetic and not even realizing it.

You are some dude sitting behind a screen.

You are some dude.

Dude.

On another note: How does your LS deal with Rare/Ex equipment?
 
PS: How does one bot without being detected by SE? I've heard the generic answer, I know about not having spyware. I am asking what exactly you do, since it seems so successful.
 
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