Absolution -- Dynamis Zone Sniping

[Zoolander]

So how long untill someone else figures out how to do a bot like Nasa and the "one per server" deal is down the drain and all that money is out the window? That would be so funny.

The shell I was in when I server transferred (not on Quetz) used a bot that was in fact just like NASA, but, according to them, was not NASA. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't NASA, but it basically did the exact same thing - organized who was logged in to the server and assigned people intervals and was packet sniffing. It was pretty good and hella easy to use. It did leave a dirty taste in my mouth though.

(Just for the record, I did it for all of like 2-3 days then decided it was time for me to end my time in ffxi...killing mobs with a group of people you don't really care about just isn't anywhere near the same)

 

[Nicholette]

I was in Insurrection with Mansin for several months and I had no idea he botted until this thread =/

I had no idea either but there was no one to bot against iirc, at all of the king camps we were the only LS doing them, and the race NM's (tia, khim, cerb) were just a who's fastest and most prepared to gather and got split up between all the shells relatively evenly. I think the race NM's are now camped by people sitting there for all windows.... fucking crazy kids, that is no fun at all.

 

[Mattaru]

I had no idea either but there was no one to bot against iirc, at all of the king camps we were the only LS doing them, and the race NM's (tia, khim, cerb) were just a who's fastest and most prepared to gather and got split up between all the shells relatively evenly. I think the race NM's are now camped by people sitting there for all windows.... fucking crazy kids, that is no fun at all.

I don't know if I'd say there was no competition at kings....

That is how race ones seem, went to Tiamat not too long ago and was kinda funny.

 

[Zoner]

The shell I was in when I server transferred (not on Quetz) used a bot that was in fact just like NASA, but, according to them, was not NASA. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't NASA, but it basically did the exact same thing - organized who was logged in to the server and assigned people intervals and was packet sniffing. It was pretty good and hella easy to use. It did leave a dirty taste in my mouth though.

(Just for the record, I did it for all of like 2-3 days then decided it was time for me to end my time in ffxi...killing mobs with a group of people you don't really care about just isn't anywhere near the same)

I think Nasa goes by the name "Megatron" aswell.

 

[Rukia]

also simply goes by the name p.bot

 

[Myrrh]

What really bothers me now adays is that so many people are open to botting that it's become a okay thing to do.

I was going to post this whole thing as to why botting is wrong but any argument I could think of could be applied to windower users aswell and lord knows we don't need another windower debate(Yes, I use windower and love it).

Botting is just wrong, it plays the game for you. Why would you want to pay for a game to have it played by a computer? If you aren't willing to try yourself then why bother doing HNMs at all? Windower enhances gameplay, Botting plays for you. Doesn't matter if it's only for claiming.

 

[Daveee]

What really bothers me now adays is that so many people are open to botting that it's become a okay thing to do. .

Sadly yea

However, whoever bots, just losers who are too weak to do anything without cheating, and whoever thinks boting is ok, just as shity as boters themselves. Cheating in a video game and talk shit about it proudly is probably the lowest a gamer can go.

 

[Saocide]

Over this LS now, they aren't worthy enough for my attention, they certainly shouldn't be good enough for this severs attention either. The dead horse is being raped.

 

[Aced]

The shell I was in when I server transferred (not on Quetz) used a bot that was in fact just like NASA, but, according to them, was not NASA. I'm inclined to believe it wasn't NASA, but it basically did the exact same thing - organized who was logged in to the server and assigned people intervals and was packet sniffing. It was pretty good and hella easy to use. It did leave a dirty taste in my mouth though.

(Just for the record, I did it for all of like 2-3 days then decided it was time for me to end my time in ffxi...killing mobs with a group of people you don't really care about just isn't anywhere near the same)

Ya apparently it wasn't Nasa. I had it but never used due to it never loading right. I guess i'm illiterate for that type of thing?

Then they stopped using it completely because some people liked to hit scan as they entered Dragon's Aery, instead of waiting until they are in the pit. Which, for those who don't know, makes it try to claim a mob that is not present at that time. Thus getting them a temp ban instantly.

That shell wasn't bad though, considering they ran the server in all. Bringing in like 200m+ a month. Not too proud of myself for sticking with it as long as I did though.

You're not the only one though Zoolander. I quit too the game as well.(About a week ago.) Sucks someone had to take my HQ staves, PCC, Flame ring and Snow ring after I did though. And they know who they are, congrats on your roughly five million gil increase. But oh well I guess.

Is Absolution still controlling Quetz these days? Figured I should add something about them considering this whole flame is based on them and their Unyielding ring Aegis PLD's in all.

 

[Mansin]

If you go back to my first post I believe I specifically said I don't want to get into a moral quibble with you, because I feel it goes nowhere with you. My point was to show you are inconsistent. Inconsistent in your logic and inconsistent in your OWN subjective standards/values. I am not going around giving you some sort of objective standard, only showing how you are confused in your own thought which I chose to get from you NOT from assumption, but asking you questions directly which you willingly answered for the most part.

I'm not exactly sure where you're going with this.

I am not hearing things from a friend, it is intuitive botting becomes self-defeating, this would be the case with NASA IF it was not only available to one LS per server. It is only perfect because of limited access. Even though it is able to do what you say it does, if that ability is open to every LS it becomes more or less a question of some skill and luck. I believe even earlier I mentioned "so unless you have NASA there is the possibility that you are actually willfully putting yourself in the worst situation lulz." I realize that NASA is really ahead of any competition beforehand. So your entire point 3 was not something I was even contending....I was saying obviously people without NASA also bot, and people botted before NASA - that was pretty self-defeating and if someone is able to duplicate a bot like NASA and make it available to everyone it too would become self-defeating.

There is a bot that is better than NASA, and my LS uses it. It's called k(A)v3 and has ran garbage NASA linkshells off of Cerberus twice. However, it is not for sale, so the point still stands. Regardless, your botting being self defeating delusion still makes no sense. This game is not singularly platformed for PC. A bot will beat any PS2/Xbox spamming dickwad nine times out of ten, so botting still gives you an advantage.

I guess maybe, yes, if there were a free bot (lol) capable of claiming mobs using the packet injection method, everyone used it, it worked on ps2 and 360, and everyone who did decide to use it set it up correctly, then botting would in fact be self defeating. Until then, what you're trying to say is coming off rather hazy.

Thanks for spending most of your post being redundant. I think you can appreciate this Mr. "Every time you post insinuating I'm in Absolution, I laugh at your inability to read. You truly are a moron." I didn't say it, you did...moron?

If you re-read my post, I was clearly not talking to you. It was my last jab at bigbroon, seeing how he has an IQ at or below room temperature.

As far as bannings go, I asked you in my first post to outline how you go about not getting banned for sure. I am not saying there isn't a way, but I asked you to tell me how you do it. Also, I have been away for a large portion of time that Absolution was on the server so I don't really know them, this being besides the whole BG thread where they were migrating and it was just like "been there done that" to me.

There's not really an outline. Set up bot the bot correctly, and SE has no anti-botting countermeasures. There's no way(currently) that they can detect a bot. I don't know the exact logistics of how it works, but all I know is that it does, and they can only detect it if you set it up before the camp, in which case your bot sends claiming packets to a dead mob. That can't happen in the game, because it's like trying to cast on a dead mob. SE just has an auto 3 day script for that type of action.

Yes, I will agree in Aery if everyone is spread out correctly and running the bot you are good, same with KB - I was more pointing out on an individual basis. IE not everyone, or only a couple people in the LS run bots.

I do not see the point. Besides this being retardedly off of the topic I originally came to discuss, this is really not a defense nor an offense. If botting doesn't enhance your claim rate, even with lolFFXIAPP, you're doing it wrong. I feel like I'm being redundant: when set up correctly it WILL enhance your claim rate.

Backpedaling won't be necessary, but maybe you should go and reread things I already covered. Btw, if you don't need anything...but you bot to get money...is that at all confusing to anyone but me...

You know exactly what I meant.
People like to attach botting to something you are lacking in real life, socially, emotionally, physically, etc. You're always the "loser living in your mom's basement with no life" so you bot in order to feel better about yourself. I don't need to feel better about myself. I don't want to go into how super special awesome great job! my life is, but I can assure you I am not suffering from a Napoleon Syndrome and using a bot to make myself feel better.

Also, do me a favor - be responsive, just don't group everything I say into "moralfag" when it clearly isn't. I am being pretty responsive to points you bring up at least do me that favor.

How was that, bro?

 

[Mansin]

Also, LOL at all of the ex-Nirvana people in this thread trying to take the moral highroad. Both of you agreed to botting and either did it, or would have done it if given the chance. You don't need to come to QCDN badmouthing us as some sort of repentance for your MMO sins.

 

[Amerie]

This will likely be the last time I reply or even look at this thread. My time is better spent elsewhere.

I couldn't care less about dynamis scheduleing+server transfer shells because it usually equals Drama.

However, Although me and Myrrh rarely agree on anything, his comment really made me think about this game.

I refuse to pay as much money as I do to play this game, however much it may be, to be beaten by players with not only much less experience and skill than me, but lower morals. This isn’t just speaking of absolution but any shell that openly admits botting and supports it. So, here it is.


I have a submitted three special task force reports under "witnessed third party software used in game", inside the report I copy and pasted their member list, as well as listed all the areas in which the botting is occurring. I'll submit more later but here is my report, the only difference is, I listed "Valley of Sorrows", Dragon's Aery", and “behemoth dominion" as well as listing the names of various notorious monsters that appear in such zones.

Here is the starter page for support:

https://secure.playonline.com/supportus/exmf.html



Here is the page used specifically in reporting things to the special task force in regards to players using third party software:

https://secure.playonline.com/polapps/s/com.pol.mf.Dp?fn=form_01&mf=c08_stt_cheat&polg_loc=en

The above link will take you directly to the port page. Here is a copy of their member list:

Botosi, Renze, Luk, Gosu, Candykhayne, Vintaru, Snowballx, Nogara, Busta, Xeroken, Talzehemir, Sevv, Suptiamat, Supkingbehemoth, Togy, Yukihana, Alastor, Fresita, Seji, Manami. Stoners, Forwarned, Bling, Rinaa, Yukkieternal., Echox, Isshin, Keithe, Dblane, Nukaru, Techsupprt, Hellstorm, Chemira, Snowfox, Guan, Svetlana, Lilgangster, Dirtgirl, Dirtman, Smoothie, Tigore, Pyke. Auronx, Smaury, Badkarma, Shinriu, Riccardo, Mythrile, Jamesyy, Bakka -

There are names missing but I will add them if need be.

Select Month/Day that they camped or that you personally witnessed botting or w/e.

World Name: Quetzalcoatl

Area Name: Valley of Sorrows, Dragon's Aery, behemoth dominion, Caedarva Mire, Mount Zhayolm,
Attohwa Chasm

NMs: Adamantoise, Aspidochelone, Fafnir, Nidhogg, Behemoth, King Behemoth,, Khimaira, Cerberus, Tiamat. (include this information in "details".)


Here is my personal report if you are curious. You can use this as well, I don’t mind. Simply and copy past into "details".

“Botting various notorious monsters. Such as Fafnir, Nidhogg, Adamantoise, Aspidochelone, Behemoth ,and King behemoth. On their sites personal webpage forums, they have bragged about using a new BOT called N.A.S.A. There is also screenshots located on their front page at www.absolutionls.wordpress.com.


Please look into these details carefully as this type of game play shouldn't be tolerated. It has caused a huge uproar on our server forums and alot of players are suffering due to this groups unfair advantage over fair playing individuals.

We hope for results.

Thank you.”



Don't get me wrong, about 5-6 of the people included in their members are friends. I consider them real friends. Why would I report them?

I consider myself an extremely skilled player. It's not personal. However, there is a reason I like quetz. Its certainly NOT due to such a friendly and welcoming environment. This is not a friendly server, its not an welcoming one. it’s a hard one to convert too. However, morals are nice. Nobody cheats here and I will stand with people as well as encourage others to report cheaters in an attempt to ban them from FFXI.

It is wrong. It is unfair and not just to people in endgame and HNM, its more of an insult to them though. Because endgame has very skilled, fair playering individuals. It is an insult to us to suggest we should stand for it. Not to mention I think it inspires drama. A lot of it.. Overall everyone starts acting stupid and the entire server turns into a hateful, nasty, offensive server.


Don't get me wrong. Get over the dynamis shit. Get over it. Stop making threads, Get over it. Get over it.
Move on. They have the right. Attacking them cause of something so ridiculous is quite embarrassing and people on BG would prolly tell this server to grow up and quit the bitchin on dumb shit. I know it sounds mean. But I should say it like it is, so people know what side I’m on, and that’s the right one.

Botting, completely different and I usually hope rather than people bitchin, they actually do something about it. You have the power to put a stop to it. I guarantee you if you report it and they are in fact using software, they WILL be caught and they will be punished. Don’t stand for it. At the same time, don’t sit around bitchin about it.

I have been playing ffxi for more than 5 years and I can tell you, now more than ever, SE is doing something about this. Using forums and other ways of communication to attack and intimidate people is so... lol. You’d be lucky if they didn’t try harder to piss you off for harassing them. You cant harass ppl into seeing things the way you see things and you cannot harass ppl into leaving server or giving up on NMs etc.

That’s all I have to say. Sorry if it sounds bitchy. Erm.. no Im not sorry if it sounds bitchy but sorry if it sounds mean. I don’t sugar coat and I don’t like the flameboard.

On a last note, i mean it, please, report these people. You have all the info you need in this very post. Don’t need to do anything but copy and paste. Only thing you need to change is the date and times.

Happy hunting, Hopefully dyna scheduling works itself out, good luck and to the mods,

A dead horse is a dead Horse so unless there some behind the scenes bet to see if this thread can reach page 100, I would suggest locking this. Its bringing the bitch right outta people. Its not entertaining anymore.


Bye Y'all!

 

[Amerie]

Let me clarify after reading my post, so people dont call me two-faced.

There are people on there that I consider friends. I really do. I wouldn’t not be someone’s friend just because they cheat in a video game.

However, when their UNFAIR advantages outweigh my fair attempts, I will report it in game just as I would irl. Doesn’t mean I'm not their friend. I dont judge people on shells, pearls, gear, whatever.

My opinion is, if they aren't botting, they have nothing to worry about it. They are in fact with a group of people who are cheating and when you hang with that you have to deal with being under suspicion. If you’re not, you have nothing to worry about.

It doesn’t say I’m not their friend because I report them but vise versa. Friends fonr cheat VS one another. Doesn’t change my point of view on some of them as people. I know as people they are good people. As player? Not so much. They might say its not personal, to which I would say the same if they get banned. It’s really not.

It’s not personal and I just hope people can understand, when you cheat you are screwing someone else over. Friends don’t do that to each other so if people consider me not a friend based on this, I could say the same thing.

I try not to judge people by who they hang around but a friend wouldn’t support another person cheating over their friend. Let alone help them. So that’s where I stand on that. Sorry for tripple post.. Really need edit buttons….

 

[Tristam Green]

You don't need fucking edit buttons.

You need to think about what you write before hitting "reply", and use the preview button prior to posting :|

Spoken by a true believer in the Preview Button.

 

[snowfoxx]

Its Chimera not Chemira two different people.

 

[Grandphoenix]

Busta is in sativa last time i checked.

 

[Rappa]

Busta is in sativa last time i checked.

Left Sativa and joined Absolution about a week ago.

 

[Grandphoenix]

Left Sativa and joined Absolution about a week ago.

ah okie dokey

 

[isolation]

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I couldn't care less about dynamis scheduleing+server transfer shells because it usually equals Drama.

this made me lol hard. seriously ame. your a fcking transfer(with drama) multiple times yourself....... you seem to throw that transfer card out there a lot. and I think it was one of the lowest things you could possibly do to report so called friends. save the ethical and moral debate for someone who gives a fuck

 

[hellstorm]

You get pissed cause you didn't claim serket (of all nms) so you gm them come now have alittle more sportsmanship. Not every claim is botted quit assuming they are more then half the claims they gotten is because they have no other shell even camping or not enough to properly claim. I know use to be on the other side and is reason I now with this shell because they do Everything and not just what the leaders of the shell need or want to do. Maybe if quit crying and actually camp the mobs you will see that you can claim hnm. (ask sativia they claimed fafnir just yesterday) When I was in dez we claim many time over absolution when they decided to camp them. "They are botting" is such a cope out, it a excuse to fall on when you don't claim. Maybe just maybe if go to a camp set down all your setting have a nice alliance of people not on internet looking at your porn pages and blog-ey-de-blogs, twittey pages, and face books getting the right tods and pushing little macro button at the right time you will claim sometimes, connection and computer/ps2 spawn point be willing. Plz for love of all that holy stop confusing claiming with skill. Claiming is just mathamatical probability is no skill there just much skill in black jack.