Achates

Again... Rappa said on his thread in the BK forum that he would not post this publically unless Acha deleted it or didn't respond. He deleted it. He was warned, this was no ones fault but his own.

For the record Celv, you should have been the leader of the shell after Q quit. You know how to give orders without being a complete and utter dick. Demoralizing people who are only in the shell to help out is just disgusting. The runs you lead back in the day when Q couldn't attend for various reasons were well run and carried out well. If you ever need help for anything, let me know and I will gladly do so.
 
Mirewen said:
And btw, coming from someone who nukes in a black cloak, this is more of a compliment than an insult.
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hmm just have to state again. Nuking in black cloak is NOT a bad thing. It give you the most elemental skill beside yigit/elite beret or yigit/af2. For me when i go on a new run, I nuke in black cloak ( yes in limbus) to gauge how good is my elmental magic skill is with them (yes i dont have capped elemental magic too). Yeah i also know some people would say that u could try nuking with yigit as your gauge. But i alway like to try with max elemental magic to see how is the resist rate and slowly drop my elemental magic to get the best result. And yes i do nuke in yigit for limbus now. Yeah, i do know that elite beret is like 10k on AH but I really do not have enough space to carry 1 more item for my BLM inventory and i prefer to run around in Black cloak for refresh. Really it is all about perspective. Regarding this issue on BK, i got nothing to say since i am new.
And about conserve MP... i usually don see it often.. or maybe it did not conserve enough for me to notice whatever. Like i stated it is base on my experience not ffxipedia.
 
I thought you'd post. Black cloak < Igqira weskit + AF hat. Otak told you that, as did I. Elemental skill is important yes but you need to take into consideration other skills as well (MAB and INT etc). Then again, I have max MP, INT, ELE skill, Ice and Thunder and 8/8 HQ staves, I can't remember what it was like to not have merits. I only wore black cloak until I was the appropriate lvl for Igqira.
 
Ugh, sorry Rappa. Now this is going to turn into a black cloak discussion lol.
 
Sorry Rappa i derail the thread i tink i did as in Elemental magic. It really does not matter if how high ur MAB is if you got resist... a full nuke will definity do more than a high MAB but resist nuke. Yeah i got 7/8 HQ staff but i don have fully merit elemental skill. Just saying that u should not say that nuking with black cloak is wrong. It is right when it goes with ur equipment and your elemental magic skill ^^
 
Okay guys.

First off I'd like to make this really clear,
I do my best day by day to remain fair when it comes to arguements such as these.

Mirewen I have known you for over a year now an speaking in general we have a favorable relationship imo. Rae holds a good point though, you do get frustrated with others very easily.
For instance:
On how many occations have you threatened to leave the shell? Honestly from my standpoint I dont know what to tell you. You always "flaunted" the fact that your blm is superior to most other blms on this server.(True as that may be) Also I use the word flaunt because I feel brag is the wrong word. I doubt seriously that you meant it in such a negative tone most of the time but it did always seem to come across in a harsh way.

As far as Achates's personal opinions about me I dont know and frankly I dont care.

He will tell you unlike Quieren his personal opinon of a person relates in no way to their tier of our homam pieces. Knowing that, what Achates thinks about me has no relevance to my intrests. He has no reason to kick me nor do I at this time have any reason to think he intends to.


With that being said,
I play limbus to have fun and relax, i
n fact drama is by no means my thing.
 
Kougaaiji said:
Okay guys.
On how many occations have you threatened to leave the shell?
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Once. and I posted in the recruitment forum for a new shell. Because peopel we're bitching at eachother during Omega, which should never happen. And people from BK came and crapped in the thread. I then asked Nasya to remove it and stayed in the shell. I have never said "I'm a better BLM than you" to anyone. It is my best equipped job. I have said THAT. That is like making a fully merited MNK go BRD just because they have the job. Again, stop making this about me. This is not about me, this is RAPPAS THREAD. You want to flame me, make your own fucking thread, it's that simple. I have never even ONCE said I'm better than another person job wise. I have stated wht I'm best suited to come as and I will not change my job because a gimp WHM wants to bitch about what sub job she should use.

Koug you're a nice enough guy but you need to get facts straight. I never "threatened" to leave before. I DID leave because of people bitching at one another then decided to give it another chance because Q and I are good friends. I could have just bailed then and there but I didn't. Playing it up like I kept saying I was going to leave is bullshit. You want to post SS like Rappa did to prove me wrong? Go ahead. I've never claimed I'm better than anyone and I've never threatened to leave.
 
Like Rappa stated in the OP, I was late to limbus that day so I didn't find out about what happened until I sent some tells to Achates asking about getting a new pearl. Long story short, it looks like Achates didn't really fulfill his obligations as a leader. Not only did he quickly take sides, he pretty much ignored it when Tenia was hurling insults even though nothing Rappa or Mirewen had said warranted that. Mirewen had been in the shell for well over a year and Tenia was on her second run so I don't really think it was appropriate to treat a veteran in that manner, especially considering the immature way Tenia acted.

So yeah, I defended my friends when I found out what happened and its pretty clear I'm not really welcome at this point, but if that sort of stuff keeps up I wouldn't really want to be involved anyways. I know its going to be discussed so I might as well put my input in regarding how the shell addressed Omega and Ultima. Otak, Hali, and Mirewen were all in the shell for over a year and got zero pieces of Nashira before eventually getting fed up and leaving or being forced out. I'm not pointing any fingers but it doesn't look like the shell was fulfilling the needs of its mages. The only ones left are those brand new ones or ones that have Homam jobs.

I'm well aware of the disparity in difficulty between Omega and Ultima, and SE really dropped the ball on that. Sadly you need mages to get pretty much anything in FFXI done so you can't just neglect them like that. I'm not singling anyone out but when half the shell skips when an Ultima is scheduled, the people that have been in the shell over a year waiting for Nashira are going to start wondering why they are still there. Despite that, Otak Mirewen and Hali didn't really complain but seeing as how Otak and Hali left its pretty clear they were unhappy about how things were being handled. Mirewen would still be there but because of what happened Achates made it fairly obvious he didn't want her there.

Anyways, I would have much rather posted this in the BK private section but its already been explained how that thread was deleted. I wish you all the best of luck and I sincerely hope you are able to successfully defeat Ultima in the near future, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you won't even really attempt to fight him anymore. And like others have already said, its a shame that you lost members over such an insignificant matter but C'est la vie.
 
Kougaaiji said:
On how many occations have you threatened to leave the shell?
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None outside of the one mentioned above.

Kougaaiji said:
You always "flaunted" the fact that your blm is superior to most other blms on this server.(True as that may be) Also I use the word flaunt because I feel brag is the wrong word. I doubt seriously that you meant it in such a negative tone most of the time but it did always seem to come across in a harsh way.
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Being proud of your gear that you worked hard for isn't flaunting. If it is, I think everyone in the game flaunts their gear. I guess my sig is flaunting my gear just like most other people's sigs. Pretty sure this is way beyond the scope of this topic.

Kougaaiji said:
As far as Achates's personal opinions about me I dont know and frankly I dont care.
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You will when he has no more use for you and boots you.

Kougaaiji said:
With that being said,
I play limbus to have fun and relax, i
n fact drama is by no means my thing.
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Pissing away time and gil for nothing isn't fun for me. Success is fun.
 
Hach said:
Nuking in black cloak is NOT a bad thing. It give you the most elemental skill beside yigit/elite beret or yigit/af2.
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A weskit gives you 5 elemental, and an elite beret gives you 4, making for 9, one more than black cloak. A Demon cloak does give you 10, but an Elite berete +1, ups it to 10, making it moot if you have cash to spend on gear.
 
print screen ftw. impossible to save face when your idiocy is captured in screen shots.

what surprises me is that shit like this happens far too often. i was co-leader of a WoW guild for 2 years and we went through several merges with other guild and weeding out of shitbag members.

a few of the things i learned in that time:

cliques. they can form within hours of players meeting each other and doing some content together. while not necessarily bad they give arise to the shit that happened with you and much more. people can become jealous of your group and become unreasonable, ie come down with a bad case of sandy vagina (sorry women for weak pun)

the way we helped alleviate tension between the different intra-guild cliques is we did low stress guild events to help maintain cohesion and a sense of fun. which mainly consisted of preform PvP groups in the battle grounds or ganking people at our usual haunts.

no job/subjob in wow but there were specs. in attempt to alleviate all the bullshit that arises in MMO endgame content we made rock solid rules. certain classes HAD to spec a certain way. lucky for some classes multiple specs were needed but those who came before you got to choose thiers first and if you didn't like it, you didn't raid.

end game content can be fun. but it isn't 100% about fun. its a challenge and as such it should be approached differently. endgame linkshells need to stress this. there's no real PvP in FFXI, so your bragging rights come from content you've completed, it may not seem like a competative game but it is, everyone wants to be the best and just like a baseball team you don't let the pitcher try to bat in a bunch of dudes on the bases cause he thinks it would be fun to do so

i haven't made it to endgame in ffxi yet, for the 4th time :P but im sticking around for good this time or atleast untill SE's next generation mmo comes out. i really hope i can find like minded people interested in completing everything FFXI has to offer and doing it better than everyone else. if need be i plan on putting up the money for linkshell website and ventrillo/teamspeak server to gain that competative edge.
 
Mirewen seems to have gotten a little worked up in the screenshot, but she had every right to - I mean /BRD has uses in some setups (albeit very very few) and in pretty much all of them, an actual BRD just works entirely better. (But with Rappa+Mire bothin the group, I'm sure getting a BRD would've just been too much of a challenge for the LS...?!)

Subbing BRD for Ballad is like subbing SMN but without the decent MP boost and the semi-useful buffs of 2 or 3 avatars...it's just dumb. In terms of MP, even /SMN25 is better than /BRD37. Yes, it's that bad.

Not only that, but doing 3-4x more Omega to compensate for the amount of demand for that gear is just rediculous, even worse that people don't show to the Ultima runs consistently from what I've read. It's not the mages' faults that you have such a major imbalance in terms of gear demand, so stop punishing them over it. That being said, quit being such babies and get your mages some damned Nashira gear. Pretend Ultima drops Homam gear if you need that kindof selfish motivation, I dunno. I'm honestly surprised the mages haven't protested against that injustice being pulled right before their eyes, but then it seems many mages have already quit...and I don't blame them one bit.

I used to hear such good things about BK, I can't believe something so terribly dumb has popped up in it. =\
 
I didn't get "worked up" until she said "bye" then left the Alliance after being given constructive critisism. and you'll notice I didn't go into "wtf" mode until after she called me an asshole for listing facts. Whatever, they lost 3 awesome mages to compensate for two jerks who haven't been in the ls for 1/2 a month. Whatever lol. The LS was awesome when Q ran it, now it may as well stick to farming coins and attempting Omega.
 
Mirewen said:
I didn't get "worked up" until she said "bye" then left the Alliance after being given constructive critisism. and you'll notice I didn't go into "wtf" mode until after she called me an asshole for listing facts. Whatever, they lost 3 awesome mages to compensate for two jerks who haven't been in the ls for 1/2 a month. Whatever lol. The LS was awesome when Q ran it, now it may as well stick to farming coins and attempting Omega.
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God what I'd pay to see Omega done without any mages or stuns. >_>
 
It happend, I dc'd, Rappa refused to go, they wiped. AWESOMENESS!!!
 
Yeah, I was there but I knew we weren't going to win. I went in anyway as the only healer and we got pummeled. Gotter tried to help healing but ran out of mp. The other mages whom shall remain nameless didn't cast a single healing spell so we wiped'd'd. We actually did okay until my mana didn't hold up around 25% due to all the melee taking too much AoE and no one else healing. Maybe I should've subbed brd for ballad. :/
 
GotterD said:
Otak, Hali, and Mirewen were all in the shell for over a year and got zero pieces of Nashira before eventually getting fed up and leaving or being forced out. I'm not pointing any fingers but it doesn't look like the shell was fulfilling the needs of its mages.
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I won't comment too much on the events that prompted the original flame (nicely documented, btw) since I wasn't there, but I'd like to clarify something. I wasn't forced out of the linkshell, nor did I quit over Nashira frustration. I'd accepted a long time ago that beating Ultima wasn't in the cards -- although the two-handed update gave me hope for a brief moment -- and was mostly content to focus on getting coins and AF upgrades.

I was just completely burned out on Limbus; I stuck around for Quieren because we're friends in real life. When he quit the game, I lost my primary motivation for attending. I crutched along a little while, but I finally gave a few week's notice to give them time to find another person who didn't mind being full-time WHM for them. Achates was willing to take over the linkshell when Quieren quit (which seemed better than dismantling it altogether), and I have no real complaints about my time under his stewardship.

Having said all that, I probably would've laughed my ass off about the WHM/BRD combo if I'd been there and said I wasn't teleporting us out of Jeuno until what's-her-name changed subjobs. I use /BLM 99% of the time, and that other 1% was /SMN for Limbus because I did a lot of Carby-pulling on the Temenos side. I can see using /BRD as a snarky response to lack of Refresh while everyone's getting geared up and buying their soap, but when you actually have Refresh in your party it just makes you look like a complete idiot.
 
The only bad thing about this flame is that there won't be 50 pages unless the idiots posting cat pics or Jyakotsu decide to shit the thread. It was all pretty much over once the OP was posted. Any other posts after that were optional and not required.
 
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