AF glove +1 or Okote for Jin

[Spalko]

deciding which NIN AF+1 to upgrade. Been using Okote for Jin so far, just wonder if AF+1 better or okote.

 

[Darklion]

deciding which NIN AF+1 to upgrade. Been using Okote for Jin so far, just wonder if AF+1 better or okote.

AF+1 hands down I know Im a low level NIN but still STR+DEX has to be good on jin.

 

[Rhaddy]

Use both.

 

[Spalko]

nice sig rhaddy lol

can you explain more one use both? cant wear one okote and one AF+1 lol

 

[Shirai]

I'd say try both of them and see which one gives the better results for you.

The opinions regarding O-kote vs AF+1 hands seem to differ quite a bit and nobody has given me a conclusive answer to that question either as some people swear by the kote while others swear by the AF+1 hands.

All I can say from the different debates I read about this topic is that the difference is marginal.

 

[Olrox]

Idk as 75 nin and have been for a long time, I definitely say stack the stats. 6STR/6DEX is awesome paired with haub, haidate etc. since its a 30% mod from each the more you pump it up the more it's going to do for you. I would never even use Okotes for WS unless I was below the level required to equip Tekko+1 (or I did not own them). But if you can get your hands on Enkidu's Mittens >.> lol use those instaed over both of the other options, just because NIN always need acc on an A- Weapon.

 

[Spalko]

well i guess i will just get both then, my okote is RE so cant sell it anyway.

anyone got a clear number on how much STR and DEX with 30% mod will increase damage, while how much will 20 ATT increase damage?

 

[Xephon]

the correct answer would be af+1 when zerk is up, kote when zerk is down.

 

[jamal]

I'd ask Meeze...he keeps up with Adaberk war/sam's on his NIN while first voking. Find out whatever he uses, and use that.

 

[Itachiii]

I use Tekko's +1 over Okote but I never had the rare/ex version so it was nice to have the extra gil from selling the Okotes. I cannot parse so I don't really have proof but look at it this way. Would you use Koga tekkos over Okote? Both Ktekko and Tekkos +1 offer the same amount of dmg mod towards Jin except Ktekkos improves your fSTR while Tekkos +1 improves Crit and Acc. Crit does not get a huge boost but somewhere it says reaching 110 DEX puts you in a new crit tier but I think it was only on birds. So that +6 DEX can you put you into that tier. Been really busy at work so I'll try and find it but I believe it was on BG somewhere if someone else remembers seeing it and wants to look for it.

 

[eiteen]

upgrade tekko first for af+1.

i just got a pair of r/e okote so i'll have to test it out later. currently i use af+1 during the day at koga at night for WS.

 

[Langly]

I use AF+1, haven't used Okotes since. I think I do pretty well.

 

[Bajaratt]

I just use Enkidu's mittens, since I don't have tekko +1. I probably won't bother upgrading the tekko anymore, since I only lose 2 STR, 2 DEX, but gain 5 acc; and that's enough for a job I hardly ever play.

 

[evanos]

I played around with this for a long time, and in the end decided to go with Bando kotes over NIN +1 (in the day, night = koga tekko +1), though I did use NIN +1 for quite awhile.

 

[metachronism]

If you are talking about merits (and assume that you have minuet on), AF+1 will yield better averages than ochiudo or af2 for jin.

ochiudo:
At merit levels, the +atk items diminish in value, since it's usually boosted significantly by your brd or cor.

af2:
Upon cursory glance, you might think from the WS modifier that 6str+6dex is not as good as the +12 str--after all, str has the side effect of modifying effective dmg. But, Jin's higher end damage is entirely dependent on the criticals occurring. You want to increase the chance of it happening as much as possible once you have procured the baseline acc and atk. Criticals go up roughly 3%/10dex. With a low weapon-rank weapon like a katana, the +12 str from AF2 doesn't add as much to your average.

Of course, if you are not talking about merit mobs, the story changes. For stuff with really high def or eva, boosting atk/acc usually yields better results than boosting any stat.

 

[Dejan]

Eh, i upgraded the feet first and loved them really... Given i wear Bando Kote, AF Feet+1 gives more time under move+, and everything in the game is travelling so...

But it depends really, a tad harder jins or running faster for 6 mins? XD

 

[Arezael]

Something that Meta alluded to in his post, that I would like to expand a little further:

Jin's higher end damage is entirely dependent on the criticals occurring. You want to increase the chance of it happening as much as possible once you have procured the baseline acc and atk.

The choice of which item you would benefit most from will of course depend on the rest of your setup.

If for some reason your only source of DEX would come from the potential AF+1 Tekko upgrade, (you may for example only have/use Shura items and/or those which apply only STR + Acc, an example being the Potent belt*) you will find that the 6 Dex will not significantly improve your critical hit rate on WS.

I would doubt that you would want to rely on them as some source of primary accuracy from the hand slot, as needing 3 Acc implies a dire shortage elsewhere.

*I have on occasion seen Ninjas using Shura Z.Kabuto/Togi/Haidate, Potent belt, Sniper's rings, PCC, Brutal earring, Rutter Sabatons, AM+1/Forager's Mantle which is where this example comes from. The setup isn't bad, it would just be questionable using AF+1 Tekko in that kind of build.

 

[mdkuser]

I use AF+1 ( and AF2 at night).