Aisuka

[hellstorm]

Shaunessy wrote:

X wrote:

Shaunessy wrote:
Hmm.. I never partied with a paladin that had trouble holding hate without refresh. Too me it seems like both of you were doing the "I'm not going to do my job until you do your job" type of thing. Oh well.

Ok, that is just stupid. Have you ever played pld? There's this thing called MP and they use that to keep hate. Now what does refresh do? It keeps you with mp. If you want decent exp and chains, enter refresh of juices, etc. Can they hold hate without refresh. Definetely. How long can they hold hate? Until they loose their mp. Don't make such a stupid assumption again please. And I'm not saying you "need" refresh, but god, come on!

Hmm....I've been in plenty a party where we didn't have a RDM or a BRD and we were getting chains and very little downtime. Actually I've seen good PLDs hold hate for awhile without very much magic use at all. You can't cop out of being a shitty PLD by saying it's the <insert other job here> fault. Hell I know PLDs that bring ingredients to make juices so they can be fully independant of refreshers and such and keep TP up for WS. So whatever you say I don't care I stand by my original post and feel that that is exactly what happened.


I have sen many a pld hold hate and have "decent" chains in pts w/o brds or rdms. I was just pointing out, if you have a rdm, it is their JOB to refresh reguardless. Idk who you are. It's like a bard not using ballad, what's the point? There isn't. If a pld has juices/mp regeneration, then a rdm/brd isn't needed as much, but you shouldn't have to go to all those lengths just for mp. For a pld mp=hate. I'm not dowing your opinion, just shedding light on my view. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course

I have to say playing a galka PLD there has definately been MP issues. However it is possible even as a galka to hold hate w/o refresh. On the flip side refresh is AMAZING for a pld to have. When I got my first refresh party with my PLD I was totally amazed at the difference as far as the effort to keep hate. When I have refresh up it more or less isnt used to keep hate but to decrease downtime. As soon as I have hate pretty well stapled I can use my MP to cure myself to decrease downtime (not to simply keep hate) and still have plenty of MP left for a chain. Refresh also helps me keep from kneeling/healing and losing TP. Being able to start off a mob with a 100+ dmg WS is beneficial to have when trying to build initial hate.

In short. You can hold hate w/o refresh but having refresh is very beneficial to the party as a whole. But to each thier own.

you are also overlooking the fact that she/he was not enfeb or backup curing, which I would have to ask; what the hell was she doing meleeing :?: If she was not refreshing at all or enfeb that mean the whm or smn <and blm if you had, but by the sound of the post you didnt> would have to pick up the slack, and eventually would be using twice as much mp on each mob meaning that the party whould have to rest ever 2 battle <if there lucky> Though something dont quite add up by you discripsion she was dam near freeloading she/he should have been kicked and replace. What was her sub btw :?:

 

[Bluefrost]

She was freeloading. She wasn't doing a thing except for the occassional Refresh after the mob was dead.

Might I add: she was hasting everyone, herself first of course! No one asked for Haste, I prefer to not be Hasted, as it's just a Cure3 out the window.

BLM's her sub.

 

[hellstorm]

She was freeloading. She wasn't doing a thing except for the occassional Refresh after the mob was dead.

Might I add: she was hasting everyone, herself first of course! No one asked for Haste, I prefer to not be Hasted, as it's just a Cure3 out the window.

BLM's her sub.

not saying it was right but if I have hasteing duty i hate myself frist to give you a berring of time whhen you going have to repeat on rest of party. she defently need a mentor though.

 

[Tiael]

heh

When I grped wit her BLM sub was like lvl 10 if that lol, suprised to see she actually lvled it, if she did lol

 

[Trippyhippy]

Bluefrost isn't a bad player. She just has a problem getting along with people that are hard to get along with.

 

[Draculea]

suck it.

 

[Draculea]

<3

GIMME THAT STUPID ENERGY!!

 

[Horake]

Lmao! "Gimme that stupid energy"

The best fuckin Boost macro ever coming from Hetetsumi... I don't know why... but he hits that shit every time boost is ready and it's etched into my brain... :shock:

 

[Rorion]

f__(ò.ó)__f

Man I need a course in smily's.....

:lol:

 

[Bluefrost]

f__(ò.ó)__f

Man I need a course in smily's.....

:lol:

You don't see what it's supposed to be?

 

[Lecan]

f__(ò.ó)__f

Man I need a course in smily's.....

:lol:

You don't see what it's supposed to be?

Looks like an owl doing the egyption walk to me >.>;;;;

/needs a course in smilies as well.

 

[Bluefrost]

f__(ò.ó)__f

Man I need a course in smily's.....

:lol:

You don't see what it's supposed to be?

Looks like an owl doing the egyption walk to me >.>;;;;

/needs a course in smilies as well.

>_<
It's like, arms going up, baring the nails, and the two o's are supposed to be the eyes... and the accent marks are the eyebrows... maybe I just have a vivid imagination... I dunno :-(

 

[Darkdante]

Did anyone bother to explain to her/him that refresh is more important than haste in the given party?

Maybe she didn't know? Not taking sides just asking.

 

[Lecan]

f__(ò.ó)__f

Man I need a course in smily's.....

:lol:

You don't see what it's supposed to be?

Looks like an owl doing the egyption walk to me >.>;;;;

/needs a course in smilies as well.

>_<
It's like, arms going up, baring the nails, and the two o's are supposed to be the eyes... and the accent marks are the eyebrows... maybe I just have a vivid imagination... I dunno :-(

Haha, okay. I see it now

 

[Bluefrost]

Did anyone bother to explain to her/him that refresh is more important than haste in the given party?

Maybe she didn't know? Not taking sides just asking.

Well, I kept asking for Refresh. She'd end a battle with 300MP, and I would barely have any, so I'd have to rest, losing the chain. No one asked for Haste, and even if they would have, I would've never asked for it. I can keep hate just well if I have Refresh, I don't need haste.

 

[Tiael]

She never refreshed my pt as well unless we asked for it, and when I was xpin wit her she didnt have haste so she stood there meleeing wit 5 pieces of gear equipped

 

[Shaunessy]

I'm not wasting my time with her, Rorion. f__(ò.ó)__f

Anyway, I'm not saying it's impossible for a PLD to keep hate without Refresh, it's just very very very difficult. Yes, we can keep hate with Provoke, Shield Bash (if we don't have Earth Staff on), and our enmity gear on, but I'm level 54, which means I have a whopping +2 to my enmity.


I have a feeling Shaunnessy likes to play devil's advocate.

You got a Dash Sash? +2 you can't beat that, it's great for any tank job.

 

[Mishaela]

I'm not wasting my time with her, Rorion. f__(ò.ó)__f

Anyway, I'm not saying it's impossible for a PLD to keep hate without Refresh, it's just very very very difficult. Yes, we can keep hate with Provoke, Shield Bash (if we don't have Earth Staff on), and our enmity gear on, but I'm level 54, which means I have a whopping +2 to my enmity.


I have a feeling Shaunnessy likes to play devil's advocate.

You got a Dash Sash? +2 you can't beat that, it's great for any tank job.

Judging the baton-pass style of Astral Ropes, I don't think many tanks care for belt-enmity vs R.K. +1 or something anyways =P

 

[Draculea]

<3

like.. a.. RAWR!!! motion?

 

[Bluefrost]

Re: <3

like.. a.. RAWR!!! motion?

That's one way to put it lol.