Aliens vs Americans

[Keryan]

I saw on the new that a bunch of ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who were caught trespassing on a farmers lands are now suing him because he denied them their rights..... He caught them and turned them over to the boarder patrols, but it seems he "denied them their rights" by restraining them. Seriously WTH is happening when people who have no right to be in our country get to sue our citizens for protecting themselves and their property. The Illegal immigrants have been destroying property as they cross it, freeing animals of the farmers.... Vandalising the property....and they have the right to SUE? It seems they were "hurt" by his choice of words and the fact he did not allow them to peacably cross his property as they continued on their way deeper into our country. This happened in Arizona.

 

[Spalko]

wait, people can sue while outside of this country? sue people have become much more popular now these days, not just in US.

which country gonna be handling the judgment, US or the country they came from?

i hope they get throw out of the court.

if my knowledge on law is right, they are trans passing without authority, so the farmer could of sue them instead.

can you post the link to the story too?

 

[Halifirien]

Yeah, I'd need to see a link myself before I'd believe it. Sounds too much like a Bill O'Reilley fever dream.

 

[Miros]

Yeah, I'd need to see a link myself before I'd believe it. Sounds too much like a Bill O'Reilley fever dream.

He's gotta be on top of this one. I'll have to check out his website later and see if there's anything.

 

[Khajit]

I am highly dissapointed in this entire situation. I was expecting another Aliens sequel!

 

[Halifirien]

I am highly dissapointed in this entire situation. I was expecting another Aliens sequel!

C'mon, you can't tell me a megacorporation like Weyland-Yutani isn't hiring undocumented workers....

"When you finish trimming the hedges, perhaps you could stand near this pulsing egg sack a few minutes. No, no... it's perfectly normal for it to open like that."

 

[Dejavu]

I live in arizona and i have to admit im closer to believing this one that denying it...

The truth is as far as illegal immigrants are concerned out here they are granted full rights and as such our sheriff (Joe Arpiao) is actually under some hot water currently about how his department is handling illegals...

The way that it works is that only a certian division in the police force is allowed to handle illegals which is the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Other than that the border patrol is allowed to detain them aswell. What this means is that if you wish to detain anyone as an illegal immigrant you have to call ICE agents out and they have to make the arrest. If any other agent makes the arrest the illegal will be relased back onto US soil... Ty ACLU >.>

As far as this is concerned i would like to point out what the minutemen do and why i actually believe that this story could be true. All they do is sit at checkpoints and call the border patrol when they see someone crossing. Yes they are armed but normally only for their protection and sadly in Arizona you do need the protection seeing as Phoenix Arizona is the #2 place in the world that you are most likely to be kidnapped as an adult and held for ransom. Something like one per day last year.

This story doesn't shock or surprise me at all... and i expect it is possible even if it is not true.

 

[Dejavu]

Confirmed story in washington times

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.

Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."

In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.

Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.

Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.

Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.

He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.

ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.

His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.

"This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."

 

[Tristam Green]

Two thumbs up for Alien franchise and Weyland-Yutani references.

FYI: If I lived on the US-Mexico border, my dog would be hungry for buttocks too.

Open borders is a nice thing, but crossing over into someone's private property is a no-no, no matter how much you want your pair of Levi's and Converse All-Stars.

 

[Georgebobbilly]

He should have just shot them and claimed one or more were going to attack him. dead people can't sue.

 

[Dejavu]

There is a reason why this is very important to me

i have 4 hunting rifles 2 pistols 2 shotguns 1 Assault rifle and 2 pellet guns... (maybe the pellet guns shouldnt count).

4 hunting rifles... range and variety (plus 2 of them were gifts from my dad)
Glock 9mm and a DE .50 (gift from Dad again)
2 pump shotguns
Assault rifle (CZ Vz.58 ... call this one protection cause its the one under my bed and no there are no kids in my house)
2 pellet guns (toys but practice doesnt hurt.)

 

[Ecks]

He should have just shot them and claimed one or more were going to attack him. dead people can't sue.

This.

I'd have shot their asses and made fertilizer out of them. At least then they'd be useful.

 

[Spalko]

I was surprised that the US court actually allow someone outside US to sue US citizen. What do the judge expect him to react? Let them do whatever they want in HIS property?

Some of these cases in court are just so stupid that it is waste of tax money. Reminded me of a law sue that a thief sued the house owner's insurance company for having a broken garage gate, which he plan on using it to escape. He was trapped in the garage for one week, while living off Pepsi and dog food (bet he will never drink pepsi anymore), because the family was out on vacation. The thief won the law sue while in prison against the insurance company.

 

[Uzor]

Well, if a tourist gets, say, tortured in US, he should be allowed to sue, no?

I'm guessing the reason they get to sue is for denying them basic human rights which is a wordwide law of human rights by denying them freedom (keeping them locked up) and threatening at gun-point. If a tourist got in to the same situation, I'm sure they would let him sue, no?

Just because they are illegal immigrants doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated with human rights and under US laws. Murdering an illegal immigrant is still murder, and his relatives has the right to justice, no?

I mean, really, some of the things he did was kind of extreme. I have nothing against hm protecting his property, but threatening them at gun-point and telling them he would send the dog at them, as well as keeping them locked up, is kind of extreme, and is against US law, no?

edit: a fuckload of "no?" in the text, but whatever. Don't feel like rewriting it to make it sound better.

 

[Dejavu]

Well, if a tourist gets, say, tortured in US, he should be allowed to sue, no?

Yes, they entered the country legally

I'm guessing the reason they get to sue is for denying them basic human rights which is a wordwide law of human rights by denying them freedom (keeping them locked up) and threatening at gun-point. If a tourist got in to the same situation, I'm sure they would let him sue, no?

They were not tortured... they were detained.

Just because they are illegal immigrants doesn't mean they don't deserve to be treated with human rights and under US laws. Murdering an illegal immigrant is still murder, and his relatives has the right to justice, no?

Actually no. In the US if you break the laws you lose a lot of your basic rights and as far as rights are concerned Citizens are allowed to make arrests temporarily as long as the call the proper authorities promptly and do no harm

I mean, really, some of the things he did was kind of extreme. I have nothing against hm protecting his property, but threatening them at gun-point and telling them he would send the dog at them, as well as keeping them locked up, is kind of extreme, and is against US law, no?

Extreme is the fucking lefties that think that Illegals should be allowed to vandalize his property with no recourse and then that they should be allowed to sue him for detaining them. Not to mention he used to be a police officer and is probably still deputized to some extent.

If you want extreme ill tell you how i think that we should manage our borders... Fuck a fence that doesn't do a damn thing... What we need is like a mile wide clearing at the border and highly trained snipers in towers... talk about a deterrent.

 

[Draciot]

If you want extreme ill tell you how i think that we should manage our borders... Fuck a fence that doesn't do a damn thing... What we need is like a mile wide clearing at the border and highly trained snipers in towers... talk about a deterrent.

Amen.

 

[Ecks]

Not to mention he used to be a police officer and is probably still deputized to some extent.

Just FYI, Police Officers aren't deputized, that would be Sheriff Deputies. Police Officers get arresting powers... so they are allowed to make legal arrests.

You would think though, that if he really was a former Police Officer he should be allowed to detain a trespassing suspect especially since it's his own property. But I suppose if you aren't active law enforcement then you don't have the same abilities. Still, in all honesty this "case" really shouldn't go anywhere in court. They have no right, and they were in the wrong on two counts. Being an illegal, plus trespassing.

If you can't get into our country the right way, then get the fuck out.

 

[Dejavu]

Heres a question.. would it be illegal for him to leave land mines behind on his own property... Its on his property and he could have an enter at your own risk sign... I wonder how hard it is to buy landmines commercially.

 

[Draciot]

Heres a question.. would it be illegal for him to leave land mines behind on his own property... Its on his property and he could have an enter at your own risk sign... I wonder how hard it is to buy landmines commercially.

Yes, it's illegal to leave deadly traps around, even in your own home.

 

[Dejavu]

Thats too bad...