All my debuffs stick...

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Level 7 WHM with no Subjob
Base MND 13
Enfeebling Skill 12

Monster: Stone Easters (All Check as Easy Pray)

Base MND only (13)
Duration Kicks Attempts Exp
115 3 27 15
42 2 10 18
21 1 5 25
103 3 24 15
27 1 6 25
93 5 22 18
46 1 11 15
100 4 24 18
84 3 20 18
119 1 28 25

MND (13) +4 (Total 27)
Duration Kicks Attempts Exp
39 1 9 15
90 2 21 18
34 5 8 15
110 6 26 25
58 2 14 18
75 2 18 25
33 1 8 25
49 1 11 18
49 5 11 15
110 5 26 18

Duration is how long the spell lasted in seconds.
Kicks is how often Paralyze stopped a hit.
Attempt is how often the monster attempted to hit me, including Paralyzed attacks.
Exp is the amount of EXP I got off the kill.
 
Darkdante said:
Tomasello said:
I always outlasted my refreshed blm and whm for the simple fact that rdm spells have a very LOW mp cost so by the time there wells ran dry I hit convert and was ready to go while they were still resting.
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Its confusing posts like these that are the reason the OP posted in the first place.

Not to mention with all the things you should be doing, why the other mages are running bone dry before you are.......

If things go well the first person to run low on mp would usually be the rdm.
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Please read more carefully I never said bone dry, I simple meant when there mp was running low towards a chain #5 for example mine was still at pace or better then there's. Performing all my rdm duties (ie enfeebing, refreshing, mbing and backup healing)
 
Tomasello said:
Please read more carefully I never said bone dry
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Tomasello said:
so by the time there wells ran dry
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Ok i'm sorry I guess "bone dry" is differnt from when your wells get dry. I guess "dry" doesn't mean "dry" when your talking about a "well". However I can't see how a "wet" well can be in any way "dry" but well I guess thats just me.
 
I really enjoy what this thread has turned into. It's hard to find reliable information on debuffs and about how much they stick for other people, and it's good to know that there are people out there doing tests and compiling data for this aspect of the game.

To answer the question as to whether this is on the flameboard, honestly, I expected a lot more responses from other rdms saying, "OMG noob, my debuffs always stick, stfu!" :P I didn't expect this to turn into a civilized discussion. I guess I'm jaded from other rdm discussions I've gotten into in game. They always end up pretty heated.
 
Not sure, if Rones and Uzor have gotten bored with this thread, I wanted to get there opinions of the coloration between mine and Rones test, which I really thinks, warrants further testing.

Even with my low Enfeebling Skill and MND and Rones High Enfeebling Skill and MND, we both saw Paralyzes that lasted for 100 to 119 seconds. With the small amount of test subjects, it is hard to say MND and Skill has no effect on duration, but it does seem to suggest that Paralyzes has a maximum duration that remains constant at all levels.
 
It does look to have a maximum of about 2 mins for both our tests. Plus even with the rest of yours time your numbers look a lot like mine, making me think duration on extremely too weak and ep are about the same regardless of skill or mnd. Even with my loads more mnd and skill their isn't any clear difference in duration.
 
Rones said:
It does look to have a maximum of about 2 mins for both our tests. Plus even with the rest of yours time your numbers look a lot like mine, making me think duration on extremely too weak and ep are about the same regardless of skill or mnd. Even with my loads more mnd and skill their isn't any clear difference in duration.
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Move up to DC next?
 
303 enfeebling
without wise gear
100 MND

Slow lasted 3 min first time I tested it
and paralyze roughly 2.5 min

Also, silenced Kirin for 2.5 min with wise gear and a merit in wind accuracy

only tested slow once and paralyze twice, because then I decided to go seek as WHM (9k to 68)
 
oh, all without elemental seal. my BLM is only level 7 /blush
 
hehe!! *cheer Uzor* my enfeebling magic is at 304 with the gear and such I have.. if only I could get me some other things like that Duelist Chapeau with the +15 Enfeebling magic so I could be better... blah.. no Dynamis LS anyways... my MND is about 79 with the gear I run around in (that's my solo gear) and over 100 easily with the gear I use for gods and whatnot. I've had silence land on things like Suzaku and it landed right before his 2 hour. that was nice cause suzaku wasted a 2 hour and it lasted well after his two hour ended XD now if only I could my DRK up so I can be a stunning gun! and ya..my BLM is only 19.. it's so annoying to level early levels but after DRK hits 37 I am gonna prolly level that to 37 and then NIN and when I get Fenrir I'll do SMN. I wanna see how things go with BLM sub for gods XD
 
Uzor said:
oh, all without elemental seal. my BLM is only level 7 /blush
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Elemental Seal effects WHM Enfeebles?
 
yeah, I want the duelist's chapeau <.<

and I want more merits in enfeebling ; ; currently I only have 1 in wind accuracy and one in enfeebling (on magic skills anyway)
 
ya.. I have 1 into Enfeebling Magic and I'm gonna put more into it if I can ever play >< god damn it all.. I wish I was back in school... I wanna get maxed out Enfeebling Magic and more into my MND (another LS RDM mate is gonna do INT so one kicks ass WHM Enfeebling and the other BLM Enfeebling atleast.. that's the plan) and gonna get more MP and I'm not sure if to only up Wind Accuracy (that silence and gravity sure do make it worth it) or others like Ice (cause of paralyze and bind) or any other accuracies.. I've decided the convert recast time isn't needed.. I like having convert and divine seal both going off at the same time. Also gonna prolly put some merits into Spell Interruption Rate and anthing else I feel is needed to help make me more valuable to the group.. I just need to get on and start leveling.
 
yeah, I put one into MP and one into spell interruption rate down aswell. Really helps for soloing ^^;
 
Err... anyways.. to be on topic..Gravity, Paralyze, and Silence are prolly the three most important enfeeblings (blind and slow are very useful too) that don't stick easily. Slow and Blind I tend to have little or no problem. Paralyze tends to stick for me but that's because of my 304 Enfeebling Magic and then lasts a long time because of my high Elvaan MND. Silence and Gravity are prolly the hardest to stick as they should be.. they make things considerably easier in the end game. Just keep leveling and go for the best gear you can. If an enfeebling doesn't stick first time through.. just cast it until it does. Unless you think that the enfeebling isn't that important to help you in what you are doing. It really varies on the mob and your gear and stats and I think even the weather/place comes into play.
 
Uzor said:
yeah, I put one into MP and one into spell interruption rate down aswell. Really helps for soloing ^^;
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hehe.. I wish I had the time and energy to level XD usually can't at the moment with looking for a job and taking classes and ya.. so much to do.. so little time >< I've chosen to max out Enfeebling before others. Then max out MP. Then max out or work with a combination for my Elemental Accuracies in the RDM category and then do Spell Interruption Rate down (maxed out as I think the others in that category would effect other jobs too much that don't need like if I do -enmity and choose to go into a tanking job.. that's bad XD) and then finally do MND (as attributes tend to be a pain in the ass beyond all things to get leveled up). Again.. I just need the time to make the 250,000+ exp to get all the merits needed to do this ><
 
to cap everything you can (except for job-specific merits) you need 330 merit points...

That's 3,300,000 exp. Good luck with that! >.< Even if you get 10k exp an hour, you'll need to exp for 330 hours. Which is 13,75 days of pure exping <.<

Not included breaks, and going back to Jeuno to spend your merits.
 
hmmm

only thing i can tell you is that its good that u use the elemental staves for each element enfeeb... what i do when i noticed i had problems with mnd enfeebs... all int enfeebs i always land but now i carry both int and mnd rings and other gear and equip macros for every spell if you spend about an hour making macros and you will be fine. :D
matchuu
lvl 70 rdm
 
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