all out war in Gaza

This whole thread is why I support precision controlled, deadly force, black ops.
 
I called this way back a couple of pages ago.

Children being killed, world outrage, conflict coming to an end without really being resolved. Now Hamas looks like the group that stood up to the bully, and they didn't lose that much, just like Hezbollah.

Israel really only has one option to accomplish what they want. Occupy the country go house to house destroy all the weapons, find and destroy all the underground tunnels. But Israel doesn't have the stomach to take all those casualties and the humanitarian disaster it would cause the world wouldn't stomach.

So this kind of thing is bound to keep repeating.
 
I've said more than once that part of the reason that the weaker sides in these conflicts accuse the stronger side of "indiscriminate bombing" is because they have no bloody idea what that would actually look like.

I recall someone complaining about during the Iraq war. Apparently they didn't realize that it's fully within the power of the US Air Force alone to destroy entire cities with conventional munitions in the course of a single hour. It'd take a fair amount of planning, yes, but really. Whole city. Rubble. One hour.

Israel obviously lacks the numbers of the US military, but the same principle holds true. They're always fighting very carefully; if they weren't, casualties would be numbered in the tens of thousands, not the hundreds.
 
what people dont understand is that when youre in combat and firing at a group of people that arent wearing uniforms, its not easy to tell who is firing and who just shouldnt be there. israel warned people to leave, they didnt, they are all in the line of fire and are not "innocent losses"

ninja edit: as my friend in the army says "better be tried by 12 than carried off by 6"
 
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Falsey said:
what people dont understand is that when youre in combat and firing at a group of people that arent wearing uniforms, its not easy to tell who is firing and who just shouldnt be there. israel warned people to leave, they didnt, they are all in the line of fire and are not "innocent losses"

ninja edit: as my friend in the army says "better be tried by 12 than carried off by 6"
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Where would they go? Israel obviously wouldn't let them in, and Egypt doesn't want them. They knew they had nowhere to go. The problem is that Israel says they're fighting terrorism while they're committing terrorist acts themselves. Funny how the US and UK are their biggest supporters, since we do the same shit. I guess Israel, US, and UK are above international agreements. The similarities to US and Israel are pretty funny if you think about it. We massacred the native americans because of "manifest destiny" and they're kicking out the palestinians because "god gave them the land". I don't know, I lost my faith in humanity a loooooooooong time ago, lol. Whatever happens, it happens, not much any of us can do about it I guess. And Sharpe, everyone is bashing Israel right now because they're being such dicks. Not letting UN and Red Cross workers go in to aid civilians and even shooting at them? Come on.
 
Our two most intelligent congressmen on the subject:





We need to stop aid to all sides and mind our own business. We can only worsen the situation for innocent lives as well as public opinion of our country as we have so many times in the past. When we sell the weapons to Israel that they use to kill innocent people, the Middle East in general put a lot of blame and hate on us. That's the last thing America needs right now. Israel is a powerful nation that can take care of itself. It has a couple hundred nukes. Also, we give more money to the Arabic nations than we give to Israel. We're just throwing the Everclear into the fire here.
 
Its called War for a reason, people die. Get over it. Hundreds of dead people isn't even a spit in the bucket compared to how many people could be dead. Yea, dead people is sad, but where are the fucking tears for all the innocent kids of Africa that die every day because they don't have something as simple as a mosquito net to protect them while they sleep. You are kidding yourself if you think you wouldn't be pushing for the same thing if Mexico, Canada, or Cuba was doing the same thing Gaza was doing to Israel.

People talk about Gaza being in a state of chaos, but what the hell else should it be? What have they done to deserve peace? They haven't set up any solid government and they harbor terrorists, chaos is what you get when you have no control over your nation.

Whats dumb is that Israel played exactly into the hands of the Hamas, they should have seen they were being played. I have to believe they knew what Hamas was trying to do and just didn't care. Things are going according to plan for Hamas now, they couldn't really have asked for better results. That's whats deplorable about Israel's actions...that its so utterly counterproductive.

Edit: Also, as far as our "aid" to pretty much both sides and everyone in the freaking world...I think this is a big issue that needs to be adressed. The American people have pretty much no power at all as far as what our government spends our money on. Get rid of the Department of Homeland Security and make a true oversight department with some real transparency and accountability.
 
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War isn't about good vs bad its us vs them.
 
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Lil something I found...
 
Cute, except that it really should have Hamas and the rest of the Arab nations enthusiastically filling the pool.
 
That is a pretty ridiculous picture, typical of them though. Putting all the blame on others and none on themselves. Like Raes said, it should be Hamas by the pool side cutting peoples throats over the pool or something to that effect.

I can't believe people are actually against Israel's response to terrorist acts against their country. Not a single god damned one of you would have ever posted such an image sympathizing with the people of Afghanistan 7 years ago and they are essentially the same scenarios.

If you wanna disagree with anything, be against the US doing any "stepping in," which likely won't happen since they don't need our help anyway (at least in this conflict).
 
Pat Buchanan is one of the few real conservatives left:



Who broke cease fire?



Both sides are wrong. Justifying either Israel or Hamas in their actions OR justification of murder of innocent people is sick.
 
How does Israel doing a raid to stop 6 armed men from making a tunnel that is at the root of how Hamas is able to shoot rockets cause to completely nullify Israel's right to attack Gaza after the rocket attacks? That is a completely non issue and just a poor attempt to make Israel look bad.

I can't believe I'm even argueing this point with someone. There is a fucking huge difference between Israel and Gaza in this. Israel is the stable government that has control of its borders and people. Gaza has neither. Gaza launched random rockets into Israel with no actual targets in mind, because hitting anything was a success. Israel is targeting known areas that have been used to attack them. The fact that these areas are in densely populated areas is tragic, but that is not enough to back down and say "ok fine...continue blindly shooting rockets into our country, its fine since you are doing it near schools." I don't think so.

You are operating some kind of assumption that Gaza is a real nation with a legitimate government, which is completely false.

The people of Gaza should be revolting against Hamas and kicking them out of their lands and saying no to this horrendous government. But that would be the intelligent thing to do...and in the middle east, that is a pretty rare occurrence.
 
Just so everyone is clear, my posting that picture in no way is an admittance to agreeing with the clear statement it's making. It was to further instigate discussion.
 
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Israel will cease fighting at midnight GMT. I wonder if Hamas will follow suit?
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if hamas doesnt cease fire as well, then israel has every right to wipe them from this little blue ball we live on.
 
Falsey said:
if hamas doesnt cease fire as well, then israel has every right to wipe them from this little blue ball we live on.
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To be fair, Israel is just stopping attacking, they aren't withdrawing yet. The cynic in me sees Israel just doing this to provoke Hamas so that they can say "Oh well, fuck any sort of ceasefire now!".
 
Sharpe said:
To be fair, Israel is just stopping attacking, they aren't withdrawing yet. The cynic in me sees Israel just doing this to provoke Hamas so that they can say "Oh well, fuck any sort of ceasefire now!".
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i agree. but what it will give israel is the ability to not look bad in front of the whole world
 
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