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Sirza2733

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Last night in Yhaotor Jungle, my party and I were doing very well. As always, right when things start getting really good, people have to leave. So we pick up to new people, one being Beng, A Drk. I told him he was my SATA partner and he gave me no repsonse. After 1 min or longer he sent me a /tell with ???. So I figured he was JP and knew what he had to do. So I pull a Mandy and he does not voke. my PLD vokes and we go on our way XPing. So I could not get SATA off very often and when I tried to SATA to him, he would move to the side. Note I would not SATA to him until the mob was more than half dead and the pld had a significant amount of hate. Well about an hour into him.her being in my PT he send "sorry got to go" "goodbye" and disbands. So I am like WTF. and I /slap him. Oh well. 10 mins later he was in another PT. Even though I was glad he was gone, he was such an ignorant fool, and played incorrectly, and made XPing difficult. I wanted to boot him, but I tend to be a very nice person. And I would feel bad. Now I wish I would have kicked him out ; ;
 
You went through EXACTLY what one of LS member's went through last night. Delite wanted to SATA off him but he/she kept moving to the side, we too assumed Beng was JPN ~ sent several private tells even said "I'll boot your ass if you ignore me!."

*Zip no responce, mute*

Suffice to say Delite went crazy that night, he too wanted to boot him and Beng did leave without any notice than joined another party minute's later [ god help that party for picking him/her up ].

Bottom line is Beng is one of your "I'll-do-whatever-I-want-I-Don't-Care-As-I-Get-Xp-To-Hell-With-The-Party" type player's thinking mentality.

Best of luck if you end up with him/her.
 
Miisha, This is Delite. I am still new and I do not know how to put my Sig at the bottom. Moral of the story BENG SUCKS...LMAO
 
Did jaz make a sig picture for you? Goto Profile to add your sig after post.^^

Another thing I don't understand is why some people gimp their subjob's? I saw a 24 RDM / 04 BLM, he was in Aish's party ~ with a SJ so low why even bother?
 
Did you try explaining what SATA is to either of these people? If you did, then they are cowards and should rightly be booted. However, not everyone knows what SATA is. I got a thief pissed off at me, around lvl 33 or so in the Citadel. She said "voke first" and I said "I aint tanking it, we have a pld"( I was drk). Time went on, I'd voke just to keep the peace not really knowing WHY, but not line up properly. She just got madder and madder. Finally told me "How the hell can I pull SATA with you moving all the time!" to which I replied:

"What's SATA?"

She explained and the rest of the time there was no problem. I've never levelled thf because I've never been interested in it. And because I've never been interested in it, I haven't looked up any of it's abilities. Also, at lvl 33 I had never pt'd with a SATA capable thf. Not too long ago I pt'd with a lvl 40+ pld in the nest who had never had a SATA thf in his pt. The odds are that most people, by lvl 40, HAVE had a SATA thf to work with but its not impossible that they haven't. Its very plausable that someone in the Jungle has never come across a SATA situation. I never did in the jungle and remained ignorant of it for a few levels.

So if you didn't bother asking the person if he/she knew what SATA is, maybe you should next time. Not everyone knows the abilities of other jobs. You didn't indicate one way or the other if you told the person what SATA is, and judgingby they're response of "???" he/she probably had no clue what you were talking about.
If you DID take the time to explain, and make SURE he/shje understood the concept and how it worked, and after some time was STILL unwilling or incapable, boot his coward ass.
 
I play NIN and RDM / NIN ~ I gladly have a THF SATA off my mithra butt =P
 
Spudmonkey said:
Alright... I'll be the first noob to ask, since it will end up helping me in the long run knowing it. What does SATA mean?

Sneak Attack Trick Attack.

Also called Fuidama.

One of the reasons people suck so much at a game like this is that they, like Dale, only bother to learn their own jobs (until its shoved in their face).

"I had no interest in playing THF, so I never learned about it".

Fix this, and you fix 1/2 the problem.
 
Keits said:
Spudmonkey said:
Alright... I'll be the first noob to ask, since it will end up helping me in the long run knowing it. What does SATA mean?

Sneak Attack Trick Attack.

Also called Fuidama.

One of the reasons people suck so much at a game like this is that they, like Dale, only bother to learn their own jobs (until its shoved in their face).

"I had no interest in playing THF, so I never learned about it".

Fix this, and you fix 1/2 the problem.
Thank you kindly.
 
I've partied with only a couple of thieves since March 22. Not that many people are aware of being a SATA partner. Next time explain to the guy what you are doing and keep on praticing until he gets it. If he doesnt it get it buy the third attempt...BOOT HIM!!
 
So here's the Next post from keits:

Keits will write:

Dale, I didn't take a shot at you because you haven't posted anything, I did it cuz you suck! People like you who think they're smart when they're not. And you still don't answer my questions

...and so on and so forth because the wants to pick another fight.
There keits, I saved you from another cheap shot.
 
I still dont fully understand how SATA works, but then again I've only really played as Blm and Whm. I never take for granted that people should know how every job works, because not everyone is a walking encyclopedia. I know its frustrating reaching certain lvls and seeing someone that doesnt know something that you've known for a couple lvls, but not everyone has the same experiences you do, but if you do explain it to them completely and they mouth off to you, by all means boot them.

-Ham :shock:
 
LMAO the first 2 post's had to be the funniest =) suck it up delite....
 
Dale: I was using you as an example of how not to be. Take pride in knowing that your example may help a few others out.
 
Sirza2733 said:
Last night in Yhaotor Jungle, my party and I were doing very well. As always, right when things start getting really good, people have to leave. So we pick up to new people, one being Beng, A Drk. I told him he was my SATA partner and he gave me no repsonse. After 1 min or longer he sent me a /tell with ???. So I figured he was JP and knew what he had to do. So I pull a Mandy and he does not voke. my PLD vokes and we go on our way XPing. So I could not get SATA off very often and when I tried to SATA to him, he would move to the side. Note I would not SATA to him until the mob was more than half dead and the pld had a significant amount of hate. Well about an hour into him.her being in my PT he send "sorry got to go" "goodbye" and disbands. So I am like WTF. and I /slap him. Oh well. 10 mins later he was in another PT. Even though I was glad he was gone, he was such an ignorant fool, and played incorrectly, and made XPing difficult. I wanted to boot him, but I tend to be a very nice person. And I would feel bad. Now I wish I would have kicked him out ; ;

WHOOPS! Obviously I wasn't there - so I'm only going on what you reported. But just on what you reported, I don't think this was entirely his fault. In fact, if anything, it was more your fault.

This isn't a personal attack, so please don't take it that way, but consider things from the other point of view... (bear me out here).

You used a job-specific ackronym that not everyone should necessarily be expected to know.

Anyone who's played THF or at least with a lot of THFs, would know it's Sneak-Attack/ Trick-Attack. But I remember being confused the first time I saw people tossing the term carelessly about as though everyone just knew what it meant -- I was just bold enough to ask (and someone answered).

Actually I'd been people's SATA partner long *before* I knew the term "SATA".

I realize that you think this other person must be a poor player for not knowing, but hey, there has to be a first time for everyone.

As a mature player you recognize that there are noobs who don't "get it". But if you're REALLY a mature player, you'll ALSO realize that there are cool players who WOULD get it, if ONLY someone would take the time to explain it to them nicely. It's just human nature that when ackronyms are tossed about in a clickish environment (and the whole game is effectively a click) that nobody wants to look stupid by admiting they don't know what you're talking about. Be prepared for that and make the offer to explain it to them (in a nice way) if you start to get the idea that they probably don't know what you want/mean.

The reason I say it's not his fault is because you said he gave you a private "/tell" with a ??? in it. That should have been your clue that (a) the fact that it was in a private tell meant he was a little embarrassed to admit to the group that he didn't know what you wanted, but at least he was bold enough to ask you privately -- at least give him credit for that. You, on the other hand, made some pretty large assumptions that he just didn't speak english and would completely understand what you meant as soon as you started doing it (a leap on your part). How did you come to that conclusion? Did you /sea <playername> on him and see if his language comes up with a "J" in the column and no "E"? Yet, when it didn't work out, you're blaming him instead of considering that things might have turned out much better for both of you had you not made so many assumptions.

I have partied with people who I thought were complete noobs -- and later on turned out to be really cool players. We all had a day when we didn't know what SATA meant.

I was really lucky to have someone take me in when I was new to the game and explained a ton to help me through, then got me into an LS that was equally cool. I've still recall the first time I played with a Ninja and just didn't get it. Finally the guy says "ok, do you know what Utsusemi is?" and I replied "no. I don't". He explained it to me. I admit that even AFTER he explained it to me I probably didn't do very well recognizing when we had to trade hate back and forth (he could have had some better macros to make that clear), but it's just an example of someone with a job specific skill that really only works well if ANOTHER player, who doesn't have the same job and might not know the skill, works WITH you in order to make it work well.
 
Yeah keits.

Yeah.

Just as I would use you as an example of how not to be. So aren't we both content? The difference is I don't need to have the last word, and I don't need to insult people to make an argument, and I don't live vicariously through pixelated images because I don't like the one I see in the mirror. Raise your hand, Keits! You're a big winner! Then make another pithy and sarcastic comment that insults someone else in order to disguise the otherwise azure-sky-clear fact that there is rarely any substance to anything you say.

Whatever. Just stop projecting your insecurities at people. You're becoming an attention whore. Like Xcalade. So go ahead and reply. Do your worst. Then Naffenu wil chime in, late as usual after anything of value has been said, with her witty "STFU Noob" tag at the bottom of her post. Never heard that one. When I see that, I feel so "pwned".
Do the dance, its an old one. I'm done on this post regarding you. And regarding Naffenu as well... in advance.
 
Isn't it clique?

Oh, well, I concur with what you said, but the guy is still at fault for not asking. The "???" he gave is not enough to hint the fact that he doesn't know the term SATA. If he was too afraid to ask, then that really is his problem. He should not fear asking someone how to play his role if they know something about it that he doesn't. Something I've learned over the years old life, never be too afraid to ask... unless the person you intend to ask is in some way being unapproachable, in which case you should find someone who you feel comfortable talking to to ask.
 
Squirrelin, that was a damned fine reply

As a mature player you recognize that there are noobs who don't "get it". But if you're REALLY a mature player, you'll ALSO realize that there are cool players who WOULD get it, if ONLY someone would take the time to explain it to them nicely. It's just human nature that when ackronyms are tossed about in a clickish environment (and the whole game is effectively a click) that nobody wants to look stupid by admiting they don't know what you're talking about. Be prepared for that and make the offer to explain it to them (in a nice way) if you start to get the idea that they probably don't know what you want/mean.

Absolutely correct. Thank you for putting it elloquently.
 
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