Another Lovely Encounter with Our Wonderful Counterparts ...

KB is 3-5 days....

and day 4 of 5 is still not MORE than likely :P
i'd say even chance^^


y'know i was there for last KB and i dont recall it popping on sunday, would've been at work....... unless....................


oh well..... dont feel like doing the math now......... goodluck on your camp tomorrow^^
 
I don't camp HNM, but I"ve been reading things on this board.

Since negotiaton seems like not an answer.... What can you do? You can steal it, MPK them, you can kick back and watch, or you can leave. Seems like everybody likes the kick back and watch technique, but this seems only to make you all mad, as seen in the many posts on the subject. What does this get you other than more stalling? So why continue on this failing course of action?

What will stealing the mob get you? If done wisely maybe respect, maybe you might be able to get them to kill the mob quickly when claimed, or you could start a war.

What will MPKing them get you? most likely a war.

What will leaving get you? Have you ever wondered if they would stall the mob if you left? And if they still stall when you leave that means they are trying to accomplish something, namely making the monster pop at a time of their choosing. Wouldn't it be wise and in your favor to stop this? Now say they don't stall the monster after you leave, this means they just trying to aggrivate you, wouldn't it be wise to put a stop to this also?

What will you get with a war? Most likely from looking at all of your responses you will lose. Why? Seems like NA cannot work together, and if the looks from this board are any clue, you all are right. Most Americans care more about what they will get individually then what thier group will get, and that mentality is poison to any group. And I don't think I have to repeat you cannot do this alone. I know i'm gonna get flamed for this by people on their high horse saying, Americans are not selfish like that, all i gotta say is face facts people, it doesn't take many of them to break a group. Conclusion? Swallow your pride and work together people.

And for those that are trying to say this is not about JP vs. America.
Arent' they currently your biggest competition? Are they not trying to push spawn times into jpn time? Do they not seem to work together against you? How is any of this good for your group? Who cares if they cheer you on or help you? They could just be doing that because now, the two groups they do not like are attacking each other. What does it matter if it is JP vs. America? They still will work against you, still your competition, Basically no matter who they are, they ARE against you. Unless of course you belive they gonna hand over the drops to you ^^.

Actually you should care more about what your group needs, and how to get that. Everybody else is competition, and against what you are trying to accomplish anyway.

Just my 2 cents......
 
drew i seen you killing KB with jeanedearc.. serises ls. he stalled amikiri for almost 2 hours tonight
 
I won't pretend to be an expert on this (I mean, I didn't even know it was against the rules to hold an NM so it will spawn again at a more convenient time o.O), but a friend of mine who doesn't seem to play anymore (Faluzure; I'm sure a lot of you know him) was in a JP HNM LS. He told me that his LS had practically a monopoly on certain HNMs, and that they did it just the same way these people did; stalling. However, he said that any abjurations that people outside the LS wanted/needed, they'd invite them into the alliance after the kill and let them lot on them. That went also for other rare/ex items that no one in the LS wanted/needed. I don't know if this LS that you guys encountered last night does this as well, but if they didn't offer, could it hurt to ask? Obviously that doesn't work with the sellable items, but oh well...

As a side-note: I seriously think SE should just make all HNMs forced-spawn only, like the Tu'Lia Gods, just so that all the drama about claims and steals and MPKs and stalling and all that other BS will just go away. I'm seriously wondering whether I even wanna join an HNM LS when I get high enough to do so. Maybe I'll just find a God-fighting LS, and for any rare/ex drops I want from other HNMs, just go ask people who just killed them if I can be invited to lot on it...
 
Problem with forced spawns (Do you mean a ??? that pops every 24h, or just a ??? that can have stuff traded to it at any time? Cause if so, I see Serket Ring/Scorp Harness/just about every HNM drop plummetting if that happened) is that, as opposed to normal spawn NMs, it'd spawn claimed - and moreso, depop if the party died (which would just screw everyone over more than normal..)

On the plus side, it'd stop vokebots and such...and people who hack their data files to only have one monster sprite in the whole level load so when it appears, it's the only thing they can target -_-;

Bad side is, they'll still get a decent amount to time to spot/trade to the ??? if they were made forced spawns. That and I could see people making trade-bots to counteract that anyhow...
 
interesting... sorry to hear kat :( i saw you there earlier today when my friend was going there, hope all went better today.


i had my first behemoth experience the other day when KB spawned, lol, nice first time to go huh? i helped w/ the fight as much as possible, tractor'd and raised... (r1 :roll: ) but it was really fun to watch.

i know i saw drew there.


it was my understanding GMs have gotten tougher on the "grief tactics" as they put it of stalling HNM, i dont know what to tell ya:(


on a side note, cashell and horihori stole our claim once in sky, so i dont put anything past them. fuckheads.
 
Kat said:
No shit Sanjo. And us NA have gotten in trouble for that. This is my whole point of the thread.
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are you for real, people have gotten in troble for not killing nm fast enough???
 
Rayebee said:
are you for real, people have gotten in troble for not killing nm fast enough???
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From what I understand if you're legitimately taking a long time to kill something that's okay...like you're doing your darndest to kill it but it's just taking a long time.

That's not what these peeps are doing, they're not even pulling out their weapons etc...they're just stalling so the next time it pops it'll be in a more JPN friendly tie slot.
 
Rayebee said:
Kat said:
No shit Sanjo. And us NA have gotten in trouble for that. This is my whole point of the thread.
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are you for real, people have gotten in troble for not killing nm fast enough???
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Yes, it is against the User Agreement. Please see Dua's? post I believe it is. She puts "again" but she meant to say "against"^^.

Also, thanks Neo. Yes it went better today, but we didn't get him. But they didn't stall either. They killed him right away. That's mainly what the thread was about. The stalling tactic is just bullshit. When it pops kill it. Done deal for another 21-24 hours (in this case). Go again the next day and try again.
 
As did i falsey and even i was cheating an a sense :(
 
hehe... that's nothing.. we sat and watched Serise's group skill up on Behemoth for nearly 3 hours.. only to watch them call for help on Behemoth at the end.. it was dumb
 
/em pretends to be Waldo from the "Where's Waldo" series of books.



i remember once fighting amikiri with JDA..... fight lasted easily over an hour.... we didn't stall....... we had NO TANK!!!!!!
And anyone that knows serise knows what he'd do. Plop on that darksteel cuirass, and tank (kite). Hence the long fight.

Stalling isn't so bad, but i'm not a fan of MPKing or Stealing at all. Basically serise will only steal or MPK if he or anyone else in the LS has fallen victim. Most NA are the same.
 
I suppose it has to start somewhere.. when one person does the intial steal or MPK, later down the road others may decide it is time to return the favor... to some people who might not know the complete history they see this as the intial and return it down the road likewise... the chain keeps continuing until everyone is constantly stealing /MPK'ing each other without knowing why it all started or who is really to blame for starting it.

I remember the first and only time I ever MPK'ed someone was on Serket. We got the claim once legitimately and there was another pair of people there camping together, Ailove and a mithra named Rice.

We get the claim... Ailove trains bombs on us.

The next day, Rice gets the claim with a group of people, and associating her with Ailove, I returned the favor. However, Ailove wasn't there.

However after talking to that group later that night I probably shouldn't have done it, since Rice disbanded with Ailove when he did that. She apologized for his behavior and thankfully no one died from the bomb train but it just goes to show you that being associated with the filth is enough to start trouble. They were pretty angry at me and so was Slacker, but it was something I felt was justified... only the person who deserved it wasn't Rice, and that was my mistake.

Ailia/Ailove on the other hand still continues to pull that shit apparently... more than likely this guy is a real trouble maker with a hard on for griefing, as he doesn't do it to only NA players.
 
Mishaela said:
On the plus side, it'd stop vokebots and such...and people who hack their data files to only have one monster sprite in the whole level load so when it appears, it's the only thing they can target -_-;
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Holy crap that is a good idea! Not saying that I would do it or anything, (Would probably royally screw my game if I even tried.) But I never even thought of doing that, even after making all the bunnies in Ronfure into behemoth the idea never occured to me that there could be a more practical usage of such a thing. :shock:
 
One thing that I think should be done is make it impossible to hold a monopoly on Rare/Ex drops from NMs. I don't care if I never get a chance to fight King Behemoth (well, it'd be nice, but...), but I'm gonna be rather PO'ed if I never get a chance to get the abjurations he drops (uh... he -does- drop abjurations, right?) because of stealing/stalling/MPKing. I'm not talking about only JP, either, NA fall under this category and if I see a NA player try to MPK me, I'll call a GM, and the same goes for JPs.

So, if nothing is changed about how these HNMs work, I think SE should at -least- add the abjurations into something else. Maybe have an ENM/BCNM fight that drops them, and maybe make them a rare drop. Or at least have a trigger spawn NM drop them (and make it impossible to compete for making that NM spawn - so nothing like the morion worm).
 
LAWSUIT AGAINST ENIX!!!!!! :D
 
well, i had an idea how to disrupt their claim a bit,...most people use F8 or /targetnpc or something along those lines. i was spamming the hell out of F8 while waiting for behemoth, i hear the little ding of it target something and i was ready to attack....but it was a false alarm...just one of the pts summoner summons. if you have your summon out , you can position it so it may disrupt most of everyones targeting
 
That idea is older than... something really old. Always considered it bad form personally. Pets/Summons/Wyverns all have the ability to disrupt button mashing but for your own team as well as the opposition. I never had a team try to stall for more than half an hour. I think they were just trying to wait until I went away when i was getting the ToD. Eventually they killed it I wrote it down and meh. I considered it a valid tactic until fairly recently however.

The thing I dislike is a GM forcing an NA party to make a kill when this tactic was used in reverse. Why the double standard? That's what made this 'tactic' lose its validity and become BS in my eyes.
 
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