Arizona Rep. Giffords Shot At Public Event In Tucson

[Thelona]

No, it's different because it tends to be be more of an aberration from the liberal side. You can find the calls for violence in thread comments and blog posts. We keep our nuts on the fringe. We don't elevate our crazies to national leadership roles, let them run the party, and then cower in fear instead of calling them out for their rank stupidity.

Yeah, Democrats are usally quicker about throwing them under the bus, I'll give you that.

Van Jones?

 

[Skaw]

Exactly what would you have called it before that? When people were burning effigy's of Pres Bush in the street and releasing books and even movies about the assassination of Pres Bush. was that not dangerous/violent political rhetoric?
(let me guess, that was different because Bush actaully deserved it right?)

Nope, it was still inappropriate violent rhetoric. "But he did it too!" is no excuse. But never the less, the face of the Left isn't someone looking for confrontation. The face of the Right is, and it's their own fault for letting it get that way that they have to do all this dancing around the issue and completely wiping out comments and entire websites in an attempt to backpedal away from the blame for how things have gotten in the political theater. With the Left, the fringe is alienated. With the Right, the moderates are the alienated group.

If this should raise any political questions, it should be what hole in the system allowed a man this OBVIOUSLY insane to legally purchase a handgun. Everyone in this mans life has come out of the woodwork saying he was completely insane and dangerous, his teachers, classmates, and people that knew him. Why was this man given a license to carry this handgun?

Before we go reforming Gun Laws(even though, as an owner and merchant of firearms, I believe there needs to be work,) why don't we start with reform in Mental Health Care? Awareness and Care for the Mentally Ill in America is abysmally low. This is part of the reason why nobody tried to either reach out to him, or get him some help in the first place when he was exhibiting signs of a mental issue. The reason he was able to legally purchase a handgun is because there was no record of having been deemed mentally ill in the first place...

I do believe in the 2nd amendment, but why cant we have a requirement for someone to atleast TALK to mental health professional before given a license, or atleast give a list of references to be contacted to vouch that your not a nutcase reading mien kampf

many states already require you undergo training for safely using firearms, why not a mental checkup as well?

...it's costly and "MY TAX DOLLARS!"/"Smaller Government" from the Right is usually an issue with passing most legislation like this. Not to mention how any kind of firearms-related legislation, no matter how minor, is always touted as an all-out ban by the Right Wing. Maryland is one of the biggest states(Behind Cali/NY/NJ/Illinois) against firearms ownership, and our course is just a video to watch with no hands on training. You even do this from home, on a website set up by the Maryland State Police. I can't imagine any state besides one of those four listed requiring much more beyond what we do here.

And reading Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto does not automatically make you crazy, fascist, or communist, nor does "liking" these books for the profound insight in to the minds of Marx and Hitler they provide. College courses, especially PoliSci, usually recommend these books.

 

[Halifirien]

Van Jones?

What about him? Calling for a boycott of Glenn Beck's advertisers is not violent rhetoric.

 

[alanon]

FUCK
YOU
GUYS

People are DEAD, and you idiots are turning this into a heated political discussion! Every one of you should be ashamed, and I am ashamed for the ones that still don't have the good sense to be so.

The only people out side of the shooter that you should be angry at is people like that MOTHERFUCKER Fred Phelps, who once again has opened his moronic mother fuckin pie hole to spew his useless drivel of an opinion about why he thinks these people deserved this.

Please, please table the political crap in this thread.

 

[Halifirien]

People are DEAD, and you idiots are turning this into a heated political discussion! Every one of you should be ashamed, and I am ashamed for the ones that still don't have the good sense to be so.

These things do not happen in a vacuum, and trying to ignore the political implications of an assassination attempt is extremely short-sighted. Feel free to be ashamed on my behalf, because there's nothing wrong with this discussion or the people having it. I realize you're upset, but not everyone is.

 

[Hexx]

These things do not happen in a vacuum, and trying to ignore the political implications of an assassination attempt is extremely short-sighted. Feel free to be ashamed on my behalf, because there's nothing wrong with this discussion or the people having it. I realize you're upset, but not everyone is.

To help avoid more situations like this, people need to understand the "why" behind it all. He may have been crazy, but there was a method to his madness, otherwise he would have just gone shot up some random place.

Alanon, the deaths are horribly tragic, but as most of us know, history is the study of repitition, and unless we learn from this event and get to the meat of it, it WILL happen again.

 

[Raesvelg]

The meat of it: He was crazy.

That's really all there is to it. Trying to assign responsibility to other people, to a lack of sufficient gun-control, to a political atmosphere increasingly poisoned by venom on both sides; all of that is just people attempting to use this tragedy to push their agenda.

 

[Skaw]

FUCK
YOU
GUYS

People are DEAD, and you idiots are turning this into a heated political discussion!

People are dead. You're right. The reason it's a heated political discussion however is that early evidence heavily supported a Right Wing Fringe motive though. Mrs. Giffords, as well as the two other Arizona congressional Democrats have been victims of the vitriol of the far-right Pundits for a considerable amount of time. Threats against their persons, property vandalized. This is why they(The Right) were the first to be looked at. That doesn't necessarily mean this Tuscon shooting is being politicized itself(by rational individuals,) but rather that people have woken up to the potential dangers that kind of language has on innocent lives. The two are running parallel now, and aren't really related at this point.

The only people out side of the shooter that you should be angry at is people like that MOTHERFUCKER Fred Phelps, who once again has opened his moronic mother fuckin pie hole to spew his useless drivel of an opinion about why he thinks these people deserved this.

Please, please table the political crap in this thread.

Ah, but you see, Fred Phelps is just spreading his message. GOD hates FAGS and it's GOD'S will that they all DIE and that America be destroyed for it's perversions. Not quite unlike Glenn Beck and O'Rielly, Sarah Palin and Sharron Angle spreading their message that LIBERALS are TERRORIST and TRAITORS out to steal the freedoms of REAL Americans, who need to DON'T RETREAT, INSTEAD RELOAD using SECOND AMMENDMENT REMEDIES.

What gives you the right to be upset over Fred Phelps' inflammatory rhetoric, but shame us over being upset over the inflammatory rhetoric of another? Yes, the Right didn't have anything to do with this tragedy, but Fred Phelps himself has never killed a homosexual either. But both need to be stopped because they still do real harm to real people. Theres a lot of psychological scarring that the Phelps clan does to mourners, just as theres a lot of psychological scarring getting e-mails saying that you're going to be killed, and coming to work and finding out your office is destroyed.

The root problem is education and awareness of health issues, though. Too many people are unbelievably happy being told what or who to like and why, rather than look in to things themselves. Too many people are apathetic to another persons serious displays of a need for help to act upon it. It really doesn't help that budgets for education are usually the first to be cut, rather than bloatful or otherwise inefficent spending elsewhere(Federal Salaries, TSA, "Defense.")

 

[Elvaanmage]

shit just got real



this makes me absolutely sick, these fucking lowlife rats need to seriously be wiped from the face of the earth. i'm not normally one to want to harm someone else but in the case of WBC I would smile ear to ear if i heard they were all killed.

I personally think WBC is going to hell for all these ridiculous protests theyve done at funerals, seriously ur gonna protest at a fucking 9yr old girl's funeral too? not that its any better that theyre doing it for others too, but they are just scum and thats about it. /sigh. assholes x.x;

 

[Skaw]

More terrible word choices out of the mouth of Sarah Palin.

"Vigorous and spirited public debates during elections are among our most cherished traditions. And after the election, we shake hands and get back to work, and often both sides find common ground back in D.C. and elsewhere. If you don't like a person's vision for the country, you're free to debate that vision. If you don't like their ideas, you're free to propose better ideas. But, especially within hours of a tragedy unfolding, journalists and pundits should not manufacture a blood libel that serves only to incite the very hatred and violence they purport to condemn. That is reprehensible." - Sarah Palin, 1/12/11

Nice one, Sarah. The tragedy of a Jewish womans attempted assassination being manufactured in to a Blood Libel(A fucking [THIS IS A LINK =>]Blood Libel[<= THIS IS A LINK]? REALLY?!) inciting hate and violence against hate and violence. I'm sure you're going to enjoy your new office that your political career is going to take you, pretty sure it's going to look something like this

Edit: Pointed out the link since apparently the default board theme doesn't seem to make any kind of effort in displaying links.