Ascension can kiss my f***ing ass

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Sneakypants said:
Hey there's always the GMs right?
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*cough*... :?

Well anyway let's do this then. Mephosis and Xtereem won't be forgiven without an apology. That's all I want. Arcien was just there for the axe I'm assuming, as if I recall he wasn't directly helping them try to steal the claim. That was all Mephosis.

As for the rest of you disregard everything else. You're right, this doesn't need to become a grandiose flame war, and it's becoming drama... i fucking hate drama. Let's just leave everyone else out of it, this is my flame to those two named in bold. It's frustrating, but you guys need to just learn to "voke" faster, or wait for it to declaim normally. If I see an NM declaim yeah I will steal it. But I will not interfere in any way to force the declaim, or MPK to kill off the competition. That is going too far, to me.

End of story.
 
The LS Acension owes you no apology. You're trying to take an issue with a couple individuals who happen to be in it and combine it with the halfbaked argument that the entire LS is at fault. The perfect recipe for bullshit.
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The actions of ls members speak loudly for an ls as a whole. Not commenting on this situation specifically, but if you let a-holes into your ls and they make a lot of enemies, it is to be expected that it will be applied to your ls. Just like if you have a few very helpful people in your ls, that brings up the reputation for the ls as whole. It's a two way street. You're allowing of them to be in the ls is something of a statement that you endorse their actions. LS members are representatives of their country. If a diplomat to a foreign country acted offensively while over seas, would that not speak poorly for his country as a whole?
 
an example to add to rones. i am former military and was stationed over in okinawa for a short time. there are alot of okinawans that dislike the military members for an act that was done by a small group of military personnel. the okinawans dont recognize the act as being done by the small group, some of the okinawans hate all military over there because of that issue...
 
yeah, this is true Rones. I agree, the behavior of a LSs members will reflect on the whole. That said, this is the first complaint i have ever received against my LS or my members. Clearly there are some personal disputes between Svina and some of my members, that does not make them ass holes though, that simply means they do not like each other. The fact that people occasionally act upon their dislike for each other is when it becomes problematic, but again it should be expected to happen occasionally.... and when it does retaliation is not the proper method by which to accomplish resolution. I do not know what the motives were behind the situation at hand, and fully admit that what happened was not good. That said one event is not enough to condemn a LS or its members, and only one event was brought up.

the only reason i responded to this thread at all is because it was a complaint about a few people which was turned into a complaint about many, and to point out that rather then writing a flame perhaps talking to those with authority in the shell might be a more effective way to handle grievances. Svina kindly corrected the scope of his complaint a few posts back, and people now know i am willing to listen if they have something serious they want to talk about, therefore my goal in participating in this conversation has been accomplished.

Good day to you all, class is about to start so i cannot continue to respond to this lovely rant. I look forward to talking to you ingame.
 
also to mention...for those that know ethar or even the person whos name is not to be spoken, anyone here that knows those two are more than likely to stay clear of whatever ls they are in. if not, well, it must just be me then^^
 
masterorion

1. The military acted as a whole, in response to orders given to it... so the resentment in response to the military as a whole is a bit more justified… this situation does not entirely apply, because it was three members, or soldiers, acting on their own behalf.

2. Just because a behavior or conception is common, i.e. believing that the actions of a few represent the whole, does not make it correct…

/sigh yay for being late you class ><;


(;´_ヘ;)
 
Fortunately for us, this is a virtual game where we don't have to account for customs and instead we can implement common logic. You can rationalize them as representitives of the shell and how people view them, etc--but frankly thats all crap. Applying a part to a whole and then publishing it on a web forum is wrong, no matter how you look at it. Even if the argument was sound, spewing crap all over someone's guild name and expecting a constructive response is like punching someone interviewing you for a job in the face because his kids are ugly. He doesn't really give a shit what you think of his kids but because he got a sucker punch you better believe you're not getting that job.

I'm going to go ahead and say it: Xtereem and Mephosis are some of the more skilled players I've worked with in this game. I hold them in high regards. I don't care what other people really think of them because they are fun to work with, play their jobs well, and bust their asses for the Ascension linkshell. I do think they should be able to handle this on their own, and even if I don't or even the rest of the shell doesn't agree, or even the whole server doesn't agree how they do it thats ok because its none of our business anyhow.

And that's just how it is. This issue as far as I'm concerned is over, unless someone wants to elevate it to a new level of forum-based gayness in which case nobody cares because its moot anyhow.
 
And that's not to take away from what I wrote earlier. If there is really such a problem so big that you can't resolve it with another player from the Ascension linkshell in tells or common understanding, you can always tell one of the officers. I can't guarantee we can fix the problem, but you'll get a better response than after posting some random flame.
 
Nasya said:
unfortunatly Sneaky GMs don't do jack :( all they do is say "Figure it out among yourselves or add the offending person to your Blacklist"... GM call is so useless :(
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I know it...
/sigh
Hence the :roll:
It would be nice if they were good for something.
 
Nasya said:
masterorion

1. The military acted as a whole, in response to orders given to it... so the resentment in response to the military as a whole is a bit more justified… this situation does not entirely apply, because it was three members, or soldiers, acting on their own behalf.

2. Just because a behavior or conception is common, i.e. believing that the actions of a few represent the whole, does not make it correct…

/sigh yay for being late you class ><;


(;´_ヘ;)
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1. The military acted as a whole, in response to orders given to it... so the resentment in response to the military as a whole is a bit more justified… this situation does not entirely apply, because it was three members, or soldiers, acting on their own behalf.
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???? you realize that the issue im talking about was the rape of girls/women, right? you may want to take that one back because that comment has nothing to do with the "act" i was mentioning

also my point was, people tend to see the group as a whole even though they didnt act as a whole. this is human nature for most of the world. example- alot of people do not like the middle east people because they are sometimes associated with terrorists alot of the time
 
:idea:!! I'll talk to someone in-game later. Let's cut the thread here.

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i have begun to hate camping nm's just because of this crap that goes on. curse crafting taking so much to lvl. but that may be a good thing to keep stupid people like those that stole svina's nm away from getting that high and cornering the market ..........
 
GAHH desp you broke the line ;-;

Okay look, I dont care if you steal my NMs, just do it if it declaims naturally, cause I will do the same to you under the same circumstances! The thing I'm angry about is that they inconsiderately didn't think about the consequences of what they were doing. Or maybe they did. I don't know. But I almost lost a lot of experience thanks to them, and that was before the herd of robber crabs. Alternatively, they had no way to stop the crab from attacking them, and likewise were starting to get beat on by it without any way to shake it, so in another sense it was a stupid ass and risky thing for them to do on their part also.

Now...

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Rones said:
The LS Acension owes you no apology. You're trying to take an issue with a couple individuals who happen to be in it and combine it with the halfbaked argument that the entire LS is at fault. The perfect recipe for bullshit.
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The actions of ls members speak loudly for an ls as a whole. Not commenting on this situation specifically, but if you let a-holes into your ls and they make a lot of enemies, it is to be expected that it will be applied to your ls. Just like if you have a few very helpful people in your ls, that brings up the reputation for the ls as whole. It's a two way street. You're allowing of them to be in the ls is something of a statement that you endorse their actions. LS members are representatives of their country. If a diplomat to a foreign country acted offensively while over seas, would that not speak poorly for his country as a whole?
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You can't judge a whole LS right off the bat though, there has to be some discussion and follow up on what happens later with members. The story presented here needs further explanation into what went wrong. I can't tell if theres blatent MPK or an honest mistake.

Besides if a LS spends a year not doing anything wrong and then theres a minor fuckup with a member less then a day later they are shitcanned over it? I think not.
 
I apologize to Svina for continuing this, but I want to clear up my earlier statement. I wasn't trying to pass judgement on the ls in any fashion for this specific instance. I was though attempting to point out that the actions of ls members does have an connection to the rest of the ls regardless if it was only a few who did it. Same thing we had in elementery school, a few misbehave and the whole class is punished. Humans are a group based society.
 
Rones said:
I apologize to Svina for continuing this, but I want to clear up my earlier statement. I wasn't trying to pass judgement on the ls in any fashion for this specific instance. I was though attempting to point out that the actions of ls members does have an connection to the rest of the ls regardless if it was only a few who did it. Same thing we had in elementery school, a few misbehave and the whole class is punished. Humans are a group based society.
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Which is unfortunate.
 
I apologize to Svina for continuing this, but I want to clear up my earlier statement. I wasn't trying to pass judgement on the ls in any fashion for this specific instance. I was though attempting to point out that the actions of ls members does have an connection to the rest of the ls regardless if it was only a few who did it. Same thing we had in elementery school, a few misbehave and the whole class is punished. Humans are a group based society.
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Touché....

Rones you gotta participate more often to these Flames, I gotta say I like your insight on things... *he reminds me of someone we know but they are the complete opposite.*


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