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I know Decidence touched on this before but why are you people spamming the board with no fucking deals what so ever? That board has turned to trash lately.

What makes you think you should not have to pay the AH tax like everyone else if you won't even cut a deal?

Example - O. Kotes sell for 2 mil on Ah

Now, there are 8 O kotes up on the AH currently, then your dumbass wants to come on here with your O kotes and post "O kotez 4 2 milz kthnx u wunt?"

Seriously everyday I like to hunt for a bargain and I sift through trash after trash of people not cutting deals and wanting full AH price for their item, when they know god damn good and well they should just Ah it like the rest of us.

The appropriate way (call me crazy here) to sell those kotes would be to at LEAST take off the AH tax away from your selling price. I mean give me a break people. At least when I buy something low and sell it high I use the AH to gamble and pay my taxes like everyone else.

I thought all of this was common sense I just think it's very bold and very rude to make another thread trying to sell something if you can't even cut off the taxes/ and/ or a deal.


/end rant
 
Hey whadda ya know we're on the same page. I totally agree with you. the AH board is for when you want a quick sale. If you're not lowering the price and making it a good deal then why is the buyer gonna give two flying shits that you wanna save yourself the taxes?

The same goes for Bazaar's. I'm so fucking sick of seeing a bazaar full to the rims with items prices exactly the same as the AH. Lower the damn prices and make it worth looking at instead of crowding the streets of jeuno and being a pain in my ass.
 
people should sell stuff for the cost of tax it costs to post, vang let me know what tax on 12mil is, i'll take that pcc off your hands. no thanks needed. 8)
 
RE: Auctionhouse Board

I'm well aware that this flame is directed at me for my sale of the Astral Ring.
However Vang, after your first post there, you aren't that innocent around the topic anymore.

I don't know anymore, can people read the text that I post here?
There wouldn't be a huge issue if people read the parts where I said that you were right and I added some details to the deal about the price up for negotiation.

I've left a final thought on it which wraps up that deal on the post itself.

http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=15342&start=15

Perhaps there can be some simple guidelines taken from this which will avoid situations like this in the future.
Like people who have no interest in buying it not turning it into a flame war.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, you were right on your first post Vang. Hence I called it constructive criticism. It showed me that I wasn't clear enough, so I clarified myself on the 3rd post of the topic.

However, people (like Skaw, this is the Flameboard, I'm going to start pointing at people), like to attempt media style character assassinations and only quote half of a sentence while flaming that, which ignites a flame war on the AH board.

There was a misunderstanding to a whole hell of a lot of people, but at least the person who bought the Astral Ring was smart enough to actually read --the entire fucking post-- (I don't think I can stress this enough after being /tell spammed in the game about this) and PMed me with a reasonable offer which was accepted by the group that I did the BCNM with.

It was a misunderstanding that was corrected (by you Vang), but people just had to drag on the problem long after it was solved.

That's my thoughts.
 
i don't mind you complaining about people not cutting deals on here, cause i believe in that...

however, most the time you want a deal, just to jack the price later and rip someone off at your own benefit, this jacking prices in the economy, which i disagree with.
 
My post was more in regards to the fact that most people atleast post on that forum with the intention of subtracting tax. If you didn't have intention to remove tax fees from the current average selling price at all, or give someone a break in the first place, then you should've just thrown it up on the Auction House.
 
And had you read...

And Skaw, had you read my 2nd post, which you quoted from, you would have seen this:

Myst said:
However, if you can talk me into a -reasonable- discount that the other two people that I'm selling this with (the 3 of us did the BCNM 20) will agree to, then sure, I'll sell it at a discounted price.
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Therefore, I call what you did "media style character assassination", because you only stated one part of it, not the whole thing.

I've said it about 50 times already, I'm started to get tired of repeating myself.

A) I said in the original post: "Current AH price is 1.2 mil." Where in that did I say that was the price that I was selling it for? Once again, a miscommunication, my fault, in my haste I wasn't clear.

B) Vang pointed this problem out, which was fine with me, it just covered a point which I didn't make clear. Therefore, I --explained one view of the situation--, which is the part that you quoted only half of. Probably wasn't the best time to bring up an idea like that, but I didn't realize that people were so volitile here.
But still covered the apparent weaknesses of this idea pretty well with the next statement that I made, which was overlooked a hell of a lot. You, like many others, seem to have not read the part that I quoted above in this post, which was probably the most important part to my 2nd post on that topic. Perhaps next time I'll put that part in bold and red, so that it can't be missed.

Yes, I wasn't totally clear on it, but as I mentioned many times, ending off in the final post, the price on the AH was 1.2 mil, but I'm up for debating the price. In the end, someone bargained with me and I sold it for 800k as opposed to 1.2 mil that the AH price is up for.

On that note, -I know the price for Astral Rings are rediculous-, but it seems that people are blaming -me- and me personally/solely for these prices.
One of my BCNM partners said it best, so I'll paraphrase to shorten it: "Why are they blaming you for the Astral prices? You don't control the last 10 sales..." This is true. I've never even been close to an Astral Ring before this. I thought I would be the last person to ever see one of these.
Therefore, why is there so much animosity towards me for the price of the Astral Rings on the AH?

I'm willing to admit that I made this one little mistake (not being clear on the first post) which turned this whole situation into a flame war, however, I was just a bit more than pissed when I came onto QCDN to see you quoting me like this:

Skaw said:
Myst said:
No, I really didn't have any intentions of lowering the price by the AH tax"
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Hmmm. Not even a period in that. However, when you look at it just like that, which people did, then it looks pretty bad, now doesn't it? It makes me look like an ass, hence the "character assassination" part.

Also, I probably wouldn't be so pissed off about it, but wouldn't you be pretty pissed off if that one quote caused someone to send you hate /tells in the game at 3 AM?
Think about it this way also. If I wanted to really be an ass, I could take this hate /tell spamming as a reflection of how the QCDN community acts and deals with issues that arise. However, I have a lot more brains than that, and I know the one act from some independent moron isn't a reflection of the QCDN community.

Perhaps this will clarify some of those issues.

However, I will stand by the idea that people probably shouldn't be arguing about the price of an item on an AH post unless they are actually interested in buying the item.
--How many people who were fueling the fire on the post were actually interested in buying the item?-- If you weren't interested in buying it, why were you bitching about the price?
If the person wants to buy it and is angry about the price, let them bitch about it. Or better yet, they can do like the person who bought it did. Bring a civilized case filled with facts and a price range to bargain with, and you'll get somewhere.
I'm not an unreasonable person, as proven by my selling it for 800k. (Perhaps a very low profile doesn't help my case in this way.) It turned out that I had to talk the other members of the BCNM into letting it go for 800k, as opposed to the 1.2 mil.
 
Save us from the long bullshit posts

1.) If you wish to sell something on the auction house board, at least give a reduction on the price you are selling according to auction house tax in game

2.) Dont post shit for auction house price, go sell it on the auction house if you want to do that

3.) Don't act us like you are doing everyone a favor by "offering it so quetz people on qcdn" you arent doing shit except saving yourself gil when you post for auctionhouse

4.) Please dont reply saying "Like ive said 50 million time, I never saidi was selling for 1.2 mil, it was a miscommunication on my party, blah blah"

of course it was.. and im sure you did it on purpose

Im just giving you some "unwritten rules of the road" you dig? www
 
I reccomend people give discounts. I hate when people price gouge etc. But you know what, it sold. Its always worth what someone is willing to pay. The End.
 
I don't really think it matters if someone posts the current AH price for the item...

As opposed to the AH in game where they post a price and then you have to buy it for that amount, on the forum you can haggle with the seller and come to an agreement. Start at AH price, somebody offer somethin alittle less, etc... I don't see how thats such a big deal.

Also, posting comments on a thread in the Auctionhouse forum that do not pertain to having an interest in that item have no place. I keep seeing people on this forum (doesn't matter which thread) freakin out about shit that has nothing to do with them. Fuckin chill out.
 
When Vang posted that thread where he was selling a whole lot of shit... I contacted him in game for the Corse Cape and he sold it to me for 300k less then AH price..

Thats how the Auction House forum is supposed to be used.

USE IT PROPERLY!

Its not to give the SELLER a better price, its to give the SELLER a FASTER SALE and the BUYER a BETTER PRICE.
 
What's the big deal?

There's no "rule" (written or unwritten) that an item posted on the AH forum has to be a deal.

Buyers usually use the forum to buy items for a little less gil or to find items that are hardly on the AH. However, just because most buyers are looking for a deal on the forum, it doesn't mean that all sellers have to give a deal.

If you think that the price is too high, either try to talk the seller down or just don't buy it. In my opinion, it doesn't seem to be anything to get upset about.
 
neophytal said:
i don't mind you complaining about people not cutting deals on here, cause i believe in that...

however, most the time you want a deal, just to jack the price later and rip someone off at your own benefit, this jacking prices in the economy, which i disagree with.
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I will only buy from AH to turn and around and jack it up, or if someone is desperate to sell to me they KNOW what i will be doing with the item, they just need the gil fast.

Trust me I lose at the AH gamble alot, obviously I win alot more but like i have said time and time again. If i am willing to pay the taxes to take a risk then I don't see how anyone could see anything wrong with what I am doing.

Go look at Vermy cloaks, 5 mil steady for a month. None hardly ever up, i go and sell 2 at 5.2 million and tonight as i logged there were 6 up the next fucking day. People have no guts and try to bandwagon my pricejacks and then eventually undercut it down to where it was before.

Then I get to start ALL over. If you are any of those people with the last 3 vermy cloaks up you surely are a noob. If you see 3 of the same item up or more that is selling for 5 + million why in the FUCK would you put yours up too? God people are morons.

I saw 8 pairs of specs up last week, they are now down to 3 million gil. WTF is wrong with people.
 
They're not perfect like you? Seriosuly, just shut the hell up and let people sell how they want to.

You can always just not pay it. Although since you like to brag about manipulating the auction house pricing I would assume you're smart enough to do that.

Which kinda just makes it apparent you want to whine, piss, and moan about something else.
 
The Auction House board is to inform people that Items are for sale, nothing more.

There is no implied or established code of ethics that one must sell the items for less.

If I want to sell a Peacock Charm for 25,000,000 G, I would like to use the forum to inform people I am doing so, so that I don't have to list it on the Game's AH for 500,000 G/Try. If it takes a week to sell on the AH, then I lose 1,000,000 G. If I use the forum, I can let Somone that WANTS it for 25,000,000 G Know that there is one Available.

If you think me selling a Peacock Charm for 25,000,000 G is too much, then don't buy it. Leave it for somone that will.

If you are lookign for an Item, and one pops up on the message board for 'too much' offer the seller a reasonable price.

It's called Haggling. And Haggling is the one thing you can't do on the Auction House. That's what the Message Boards and Forums are for....
 
Phraust said:
The Auction House board is to inform people that Items are for sale, nothing more.

There is no implied or established code of ethics that one must sell the items for less.

If I want to sell a Peacock Charm for 25,000,000 G, I would like to use the forum to inform people I am doing so, so that I don't have to list it on the Game's AH for 500,000 G/Try. If it takes a week to sell on the AH, then I lose 1,000,000 G. If I use the forum, I can let Somone that WANTS it for 25,000,000 G Know that there is one Available.

If you think me selling a Peacock Charm for 25,000,000 G is too much, then don't buy it. Leave it for somone that will.

If you are lookign for an Item, and one pops up on the message board for 'too much' offer the seller a reasonable price.

It's called Haggling. And Haggling is the one thing you can't do on the Auction House. That's what the Message Boards and Forums are for....
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Peacock charm and a Astral Ring are completely different.

You can sell the charm for whatever you want since it is so rare. Hey if there is never a certain item up for months at a time and you want to jack it up by 30 million when you're the only one selling at the time, more power to ya!

But if the AH is flooded daily with PCC s (like it is now) and there are 4 up and you're wasting another thread and trying to sell it for 25 million then, no, you should just keep your ass out of the AH forums because most of us don't want to sift through it.
 
Vang please use the boards right and quit bumping a sold items on the AH.
(hypocrite)

Other than that keep posting I get a good laugh everytime I read one of your threads. You seem to have a superior grasp of economics, what is right and wrong and everything else game related.
 
Keep in mind Vang, your and my idea of reasonable is a little skewed.
To us, a Peacock Charm is rare, to others a Astral Ring is rare.

Again the AH forum is the Haggling grounds for any who wish to participate. If you feel you need to sell things at a discount, go for it, and I commend you for doing so. But if you expect everyone else to share your ideals, then you are going to find yourself lumped in with those door-to-door jesus freaks, penetrating other peoples' threads and shoving your dogma down thier throats(However, I thank you for bringing it here to the FB).

Some items people just don't want to go to just anyone. Some people attain a certain sense of control form knowing who thier items go to. Some people just like dealing on a more personal basis. And others like to just throw up there and wait, keeping it on the back burner so they don't have to deal with it.

None the less... People flame people on the flameboards, people talk about general shit in the general forum, and so on. At this point asking people to stop selling shit in the AH board unless you were giving a discount is like asking people to not settup events in the Event Board unless they had a full group but intentionally left one opening to take somone.
 
Myst is saying that she was being flamed, on the AH board, for not adding something, which she corrected, after vang's first post, and Skaw quoted the worst part of her first post, apparently not reading the second post where Myst said that a reasonable discount could be arranged, which she missed out saying on her first post, which she corrected on her second, and she is on the flameboard venting that people are flaming her without even noticing that she corrected herself, flaming her on the AH forum no less.

Eladamiri said:
1*Save us from the long bullshit posts

1.)2* If you wish to sell something on the auction house board, at least give a reduction on the price you are selling according to auction house tax in game

2.) 3*Dont post shit for auction house price, go sell it on the auction house if you want to do that

3.) 4*Don't act us like you are doing everyone a favor by "offering it so quetz people on qcdn" you arent doing shit except saving yourself gil when you post for auctionhouse

4.) Please dont reply saying "Like ive said 50 million time, I never saidi was selling for 1.2 mil, it was a miscommunication on my party, blah blah"

of course it was.. and im sure you did it on purpose

Im just giving you some "unwritten rules of the road" you dig? www
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First Bold: If you don't want "Long BS posts" don't read the, noone is forcing you, but if you are going to reply to it, at least read about half, because apparently you missed the fact that Myst wast trying to clear the whole AH forums shit throwing contest up

Second Bold: To my knowledge she made a reduction of 400k from the AH price, I'd say thats a damn part more than the AH tax, don't you?

Third Bold: There are no guidelines on the AH board saying, "If you are going to post at exactly the same price as the AH is offering, do not post, these threads will be deleted" add on the fact that she wasn't selling at the auction house price, SHE MADE A STATEMENT OF THE AUCTION HOUSE PRICE ON THAT ITEM, I believe you should read some more books, because your english skills obviously aren't upto standards

Fourth Bold: Why isn't she doing you a favor? She could have sold it for the regular price on the auction house, but she came here, and asked if anybody would like it first, also, after correcting her first post, stating that a reasonable discount could be debated I'd say she was doing a pretty decent favor to the person that had the smarts the people who were flaming her lacked, to negotiate, bear in mind that the people who were flaming her did not ever say that they wanted to buy the item.

Fifth Bold: As I said before, she was trying to clear up her mistake, which apparently went right over all the flamers heads.

Just giving you some "corrected unwritten rules of the road" ya did? www
 
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