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The thing that got me thinking about this Is ive been doing the Waking the Beast series of quests again for another fight with carbuncle prime, and just so ppl know..
SPOILERS LIE AHEAD!
The celestial avatars: ifrit titan shiva ramuh leviathan and garuda guard the 6 elemental protocrystals and often refer to ancient events and having been asleep (and are currently asleep though they move ever towards wakefulness, especially as summoners and events siphon away their energy and power)
The terrestrial avatars are beings who became avatars through some unknown means 10,000+ years ago in order to protect mankind. (Diabolos was born into his role as a terrestrial avatar in the ancient kuluu city of pso'xja 10,000 years ago, apparently of his own free will to protect mankind, this was when the emptiness last appeared in vanadiel, and a chosen method of escape was to flee into the dreamland he could provide as ruler of the realm of the subconscious - dynamis) This is all from the multiple threads of information diabolos gives you in his rematch fights based on how far along you are in CoP. (i went and watched them all just now while getting the pic in the post above)
I'm having lots of trouble reconciling alot of the histories though, so people who have done CoP or other missions feel free to chime in with actual information from cutscenes and such.
Now. In waking the beast, carbuncle has you travel to the protocrystals with an orb of his design in order to draw forth more powerful manifestations of the celestial avatars. defeating them gains you larger fragments of their power which cabuncle has you bring to full moon fountain to use to awaken his ancient and unnamed friend. Battles ensue, and the net result is that the still sleeping avatars oppose you, but in the end you reign them under control and feed the power to carbuncle's ally. Each conquest week after he enjoins you to undertake the task again, feeding more energy to his friend in order to bring them back from unconsciousness.
I dont believe hes talking about fenrir, who is clearly not unconscious or dreaming, but abroad in the world. Fenrirs presence in full moon fountain is a direct result of a sealing by the nation of windurst after karuha-baruha attempted to meld with the terrestrial avatar of dreams and thus control it. (he failed) (windurst storyline). But fenrir is not bound to full moon fountain in the same way that carbuncle isnt bound to the standing stones.
Instead the terrestrial avatars divide their power into fragments that allow them direct control or influence. One such is the fragment of carbuncle behind his avatar gate in pso'xja, and fenrirs behind his. both are recovered during CoP to empower phoenix who was destroyed and requires alot of energy in order to be reborn. In diabolos's cutscenes he at one point remarks that hes surprised that phoenix is still wounded but implies that it doesnt keep her from meddling.
So we have carbuncle who divides his energy through his rubies scattered through the world like spy devices and who takes an active role in the lives of summoners and in the siphoning of power from the celestials.
Fenrir who guards magic and has a limited knowledge of the future and thousands of years of knowledge
Bahamut who is the ruler of the wyrms and the sky, but has been asleep in the fragmented cape riverne and only recently awoken to prominence by the approach of the keeper of the apocalypse and who has his own pacts and agenda (he chooses to serve humanity by destroying them so that the keeper doesnt have the energy to destroy the world)
Phoenix who acts through agents such as tenzen, but cannot take physical form (though she does manage to ressurect selh'teus and transform his emptiness into manifestation for herself - selhteus can be considered an avatar of phoenix at this point.) She also apparently is concerned with the transformation of emptiness in all beings into new forms and in particular the transformation of the captured emptiness by the dawnmaiden in the chamber of eventide into life.
And diabolos who controls the subconscious, manifests in the waking world only through the power of a summoner who has overcome him in the realm of dreams, and who controls dynamis.
Now I thought that the 6th tower meant a 6th terrestrial avatar, but reviewing speeches made by fenrir and diabolos they have both referred to there being 5 terrestrial avatars (fenrir names their aspects, dreams, rainbows, moon, ressurection, and the sky) and tenzen in conversation with diabolos (and we can assume derives his knowledge of avatars from his deep personal connection with phoenix) that there is 5. So the question remains.
If theres 5 terrestrial avatars, made to protect mankind but free-willed enough to determine the way they "protect" (up yours bahamut), and 6 celestials of the ancient times. And all the Terrestrials are represented in the towers of the ku'luu city of pso'xja and that they protect the mothercrystal at fei'yin.
Then what is sleeping in full moon fountain, requires a ton of energy to return to this world, and is something the celestials would oppose, drawing ever nearer to waking as theyre drained?
I swear I read somewhere in the storyline that the protocrystals and the celestial avatars are important to the health and welfare of vanadiel, and in the fenrir moon reading of a time in which the celestials will wake and must be opposed by the terrestrials. I'll have to dig and find it though. Its all very interesting.
I need to go back and find all the CS and such for the tuning-in and tuning-out quests as well, where shikaree Y was trying to force a confrontation with the sleeping gods through the crystal of darkness that was shattered. Seemed to indicate that one of the celestials had woken or been destroyed.
SPOILERS LIE AHEAD!
The celestial avatars: ifrit titan shiva ramuh leviathan and garuda guard the 6 elemental protocrystals and often refer to ancient events and having been asleep (and are currently asleep though they move ever towards wakefulness, especially as summoners and events siphon away their energy and power)
The terrestrial avatars are beings who became avatars through some unknown means 10,000+ years ago in order to protect mankind. (Diabolos was born into his role as a terrestrial avatar in the ancient kuluu city of pso'xja 10,000 years ago, apparently of his own free will to protect mankind, this was when the emptiness last appeared in vanadiel, and a chosen method of escape was to flee into the dreamland he could provide as ruler of the realm of the subconscious - dynamis) This is all from the multiple threads of information diabolos gives you in his rematch fights based on how far along you are in CoP. (i went and watched them all just now while getting the pic in the post above)
I'm having lots of trouble reconciling alot of the histories though, so people who have done CoP or other missions feel free to chime in with actual information from cutscenes and such.
Now. In waking the beast, carbuncle has you travel to the protocrystals with an orb of his design in order to draw forth more powerful manifestations of the celestial avatars. defeating them gains you larger fragments of their power which cabuncle has you bring to full moon fountain to use to awaken his ancient and unnamed friend. Battles ensue, and the net result is that the still sleeping avatars oppose you, but in the end you reign them under control and feed the power to carbuncle's ally. Each conquest week after he enjoins you to undertake the task again, feeding more energy to his friend in order to bring them back from unconsciousness.
I dont believe hes talking about fenrir, who is clearly not unconscious or dreaming, but abroad in the world. Fenrirs presence in full moon fountain is a direct result of a sealing by the nation of windurst after karuha-baruha attempted to meld with the terrestrial avatar of dreams and thus control it. (he failed) (windurst storyline). But fenrir is not bound to full moon fountain in the same way that carbuncle isnt bound to the standing stones.
Instead the terrestrial avatars divide their power into fragments that allow them direct control or influence. One such is the fragment of carbuncle behind his avatar gate in pso'xja, and fenrirs behind his. both are recovered during CoP to empower phoenix who was destroyed and requires alot of energy in order to be reborn. In diabolos's cutscenes he at one point remarks that hes surprised that phoenix is still wounded but implies that it doesnt keep her from meddling.
So we have carbuncle who divides his energy through his rubies scattered through the world like spy devices and who takes an active role in the lives of summoners and in the siphoning of power from the celestials.
Fenrir who guards magic and has a limited knowledge of the future and thousands of years of knowledge
Bahamut who is the ruler of the wyrms and the sky, but has been asleep in the fragmented cape riverne and only recently awoken to prominence by the approach of the keeper of the apocalypse and who has his own pacts and agenda (he chooses to serve humanity by destroying them so that the keeper doesnt have the energy to destroy the world)
Phoenix who acts through agents such as tenzen, but cannot take physical form (though she does manage to ressurect selh'teus and transform his emptiness into manifestation for herself - selhteus can be considered an avatar of phoenix at this point.) She also apparently is concerned with the transformation of emptiness in all beings into new forms and in particular the transformation of the captured emptiness by the dawnmaiden in the chamber of eventide into life.
And diabolos who controls the subconscious, manifests in the waking world only through the power of a summoner who has overcome him in the realm of dreams, and who controls dynamis.
Now I thought that the 6th tower meant a 6th terrestrial avatar, but reviewing speeches made by fenrir and diabolos they have both referred to there being 5 terrestrial avatars (fenrir names their aspects, dreams, rainbows, moon, ressurection, and the sky) and tenzen in conversation with diabolos (and we can assume derives his knowledge of avatars from his deep personal connection with phoenix) that there is 5. So the question remains.
If theres 5 terrestrial avatars, made to protect mankind but free-willed enough to determine the way they "protect" (up yours bahamut), and 6 celestials of the ancient times. And all the Terrestrials are represented in the towers of the ku'luu city of pso'xja and that they protect the mothercrystal at fei'yin.
Then what is sleeping in full moon fountain, requires a ton of energy to return to this world, and is something the celestials would oppose, drawing ever nearer to waking as theyre drained?
I swear I read somewhere in the storyline that the protocrystals and the celestial avatars are important to the health and welfare of vanadiel, and in the fenrir moon reading of a time in which the celestials will wake and must be opposed by the terrestrials. I'll have to dig and find it though. Its all very interesting.
I need to go back and find all the CS and such for the tuning-in and tuning-out quests as well, where shikaree Y was trying to force a confrontation with the sleeping gods through the crystal of darkness that was shattered. Seemed to indicate that one of the celestials had woken or been destroyed.
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