Back to leveling Ninja - lv 52

[jamal]

Wait, since when is a peacock charm standard equipment for a ninja? By the time you hit Colibri you're a half-step away from Chivalrous Chain. Wouldn't that be a far better use of gil at that point? I haven't been having ACC issues in the mid-50's on my ninja, and I'm still using spike...

Thoughts like this are why you may have occurences like this:
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=48008

There is no substitute for a PCC until Sea Torques. 10 acc allows use of Haste gear in other spots that you might have had to balance acc. I also question when hearing people say "I haven't been having ACC issues"

As far as your 'BF' using a STR build on NIN, I don't know what thats about...an attack build yes, but Haste, attack and acc > STR for everything but ws.

You are right in questioning the people recommending you use eva+...anything besides eva Skill+ gear is a waste of a slot, and the Skill gear is only circumstantial. Normal Party setups with a haste build even at 50 you can keep shadows up just fine, hold hate, and kill mobs faster with a melee setup.

 

[Pastry]

Peacock Charm isn't standard gear, yea, but it sure as fuck isn't rare or hard to get gear anymore.

 

[Mistaya]

Thoughts like this are why you may have occurences like this:
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=48008

There is no substitute for a PCC until Sea Torques. 10 acc allows use of Haste gear in other spots that you might have had to balance acc. I also question when hearing people say "I haven't been having ACC issues"

As far as your 'BF' using a STR build on NIN, I don't know what thats about...an attack build yes, but Haste, attack and acc > STR for everything but ws.

You are right in questioning the people recommending you use eva+...anything besides eva Skill+ gear is a waste of a slot, and the Skill gear is only circumstantial. Normal Party setups with a haste build even at 50 you can keep shadows up just fine, hold hate, and kill mobs faster with a melee setup.

Sigh, I was meaning more of an attack build, I'll go back and edit for clarification. (Things like Ochi-kote and beetle+1's.) Just trying to break the whole "EVASION > ALL" mentality that is now outdated.

The guy was asking for tips on leveling ninja with a limited gil fund and in my eyes there's a lot of better upgrades for the dollar than the PCC. I'm not denying it's the best for that slot.

When I say I don't have ACC issues I mean it, because I've got a lot of ACC gear on already (between woodsmans, lifebelt, hototogisu, jujitsu, etc.) AND I'm eating sole sushi generally. Do I have perfect accuracy? No. But don't knock my gear when you haven't even seen it. I also fail to see the connection between my comment here and my FB thread.

We are talking about low 50's leveling. Haste gear for the most part isn't available yet. (There are exactly 2 slots, Fuma's/Sarutobi, and Swift/Speed/Velocious Belts.) Unless Speed Belts are also standard Ninja equip now...

 

[jamal]

We are talking about low 50's leveling. Haste gear for the most part isn't available yet. (There are exactly 2 slots, Fuma's/Sarutobi, and Swift/Speed/Velocious Belts.) Unless Speed Belts are also standard Ninja equip now...

No, But Swift Belt should be

Edit: To comment on your comment about leveling Ninja with a limited resource of gil, the only advice he needs is what many people have said. Don't level it if you don't have a substantial amount of gil available and/or the 'correct' pieces of gear from other jobs.

The reason this relates to your FB post is you were calling people out for replacing themselves in your pt. With your acceptance of mediocrity, I'd do the same thing not 10 minutes into the party.

 

[Lavi]

Thoughts like this are why you may have occurences like this:
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=48008

There is no substitute for a PCC until Sea Torques. 10 acc allows use of Haste gear in other spots that you might have had to balance acc. I also question when hearing people say "I haven't been having ACC issues"

As far as your 'BF' using a STR build on NIN, I don't know what thats about...an attack build yes, but Haste, attack and acc > STR for everything but ws.

You are right in questioning the people recommending you use eva+...anything besides eva Skill+ gear is a waste of a slot, and the Skill gear is only circumstantial. Normal Party setups with a haste build even at 50 you can keep shadows up just fine, hold hate, and kill mobs faster with a melee setup.

There is no haste gear at 50. Fumas and that +2% haste belt that screams moron if you use it outside anything, but utsu macro. Given that, nothing in that one slot for Fumas (feet) offers any decent accuracy if any accuracy at all. If' you're talking about 75, sure, haste can be replaced for accuracy equipment in feet (not even sure there are any accuracy items in feet besides Luisant which is an "amazing" +1 acc), hands, waist and head, but that wasn't what this discussion was about. 55 is Swift Belt too so still another 3-5 levels to go.

I do recomment a PCC, it's a really good buy (or if you feel lucky do the BCNM), but if you cannot afford it, you cannot afford it. 2 mil is still a large chunk of change and given current prices, it's a lot to farm up when most BCNMs, KSNM, and HNMs net 50-100k if you're lucky. If you are lucky enough to belong to a HNM shell that might do money BCNMs like Baha#2 or Ouryu and whatever else, I am probably very correct in guessing most of them already have a PCC anyways.

 

[jamal]

There is no haste gear at 50. Fumas and that +2% haste belt that screams moron if you use it outside anything, but utsu macro. Given that, nothing in that one slot for Fumas (feet) offers any decent accuracy if any accuracy at all. If' you're talking about 75, sure, haste can be replaced for accuracy equipment in feet (not even sure there are any accuracy items in feet besides Luisant which is an "amazing" +1 acc), hands, waist and head, but that wasn't what this discussion was about. 55 is Swift Belt too so still another 3-5 levels to go.

I do recomment a PCC, it's a really good buy (or if you feel lucky do the BCNM), but if you cannot afford it, you cannot afford it. 2 mil is still a large chunk of change and given current prices, it's a lot to farm up when most BCNMs, KSNM, and HNMs net 50-100k if you're lucky. If you are lucky enough to belong to a HNM shell that might do money BCNMs like Baha#2 or Ouryu and whatever else, I am probably very correct in guessing most of them already have a PCC anyways.

If you're a lvl 50 NIN, you can do the PCC bc. NIN is able to farm seals by soloing. There is no excuses for not having one.
Swift Belt is lvl 50: http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=15457&sid=16

Haste gear pre-50 is useless. 7% Haste with a Hasting Mage (WHM 40 RDM 48 ) is available, which increases the effect.

Swift Belt over Life Belt requires acc elsewhere, thats what I was hinting at.

 

[Mistaya]

The reason this relates to your FB post is you were calling people out for replacing themselves in your pt. With your acceptance of mediocrity, I'd do the same thing not 10 minutes into the party.

I expect a lot more from myself than I do from random joeSAM who I throw an invite /tell to. This isn't the flameboard and I'll leave it at that.

 

[Lavi]

No, But Swift Belt should be

Edit: To comment on your comment about leveling Ninja with a limited resource of gil, the only advice he needs is what many people have said. Don't level it if you don't have a substantial amount of gil available and/or the 'correct' pieces of gear from other jobs.

The reason this relates to your FB post is you were calling people out for replacing themselves in your pt. With your acceptance of mediocrity, I'd do the same thing not 10 minutes into the party.

Saying PCC is the standard is a bit high. I would say it's getting there, but for the average player who probably cannot afford one, it's still a long ways to having the gil or doing the BC often enough to get drop. Given that most BCNMs don't drop much in the way of money, I'd almost recommend it, but since most people seem to be hurting for money, it might not be wise. It's trading off an almost sure shot of a 100-200k after a few BCNMs for a small chance at a PCC and no gil.

 

[jamal]

Saying PCC is the standard is a bit high. I would say it's getting there, but for the average player who probably cannot afford one, it's still a long ways to having the gil or doing the BC often enough to get drop. Given that most BCNMs don't drop much in the way of money, I'd almost recommend it, but since most people seem to be hurting for money, it might not be wise. It's trading off an almost sure shot of a 100-200k after a few BCNMs for a small chance at a PCC and no gil.

These are not the days where pcc was 30M. Any joe 6-pack can do that incredibly easy bcnm. Drop rates are low, but if it was a tough task, it would cost more than 2.2M No matter what your setup, sell or split, you can almost guarantee yourself to have it if you dedicate a short amount of time to farming seals daily. A NIN/WHM can rip through EP's with 0 downtime, and there's tons of people with millions of seals waiting around to bc.
I can't believe people would complain about the price of it nowadays. Try looking for one when the only seller who spoke English was Vang, now that's a daunting task.

 

[Khajit]

HOld up. So now swift belt is a standard peice of gear for everyone in existence despite the fact that COP statics break every 5 minutes and you have to hit lv 50 to even be allowed into the fights to get the acess to so much as try and get it?

And on the pcc thing... you can get +4 acc +4 atk fr all of 3k vs spending 2 mil. There are things more important to upgrade than an extra 5~6 acc with that 2 mil.

Now assuming they own the boots kote and have a hauby waiting at 59.. With 2 mil they can get juju gi at 40 or jaridah petih at 55, sniper's, life belt if they dont have swift, minuet earring for more acc, amemit+1,chiv chain to combine with rajas if they actually did finish COP to lower the hits to 100tp, buy a haku cluser if they dont wanna farm one later, and to top it off that leaves almost a mil so if they chose the right stuff to buy or farm directly or already had any of those peices they can get dusk ahead of time for haste setups.


Yes crap is cheaper but that's no reason to let's say..bash ruby rings when you can get better shit BEFORE you waste 500k on 1 extra bit of str. Guess what? if there's a War running around in flame rings and no bomb core/bomblet they're being stupid because they could have upgraded other things first including some of those NM gigas braclets.

 

[jamal]

HOld up. So now swift belt is a standard peice of gear for everyone in existence despite the fact that COP statics break every 5 minutes and you have to hit lv 50 to even be allowed into the fights to get the acess to so much as try and get it?

And on the pcc thing... you can get +4 acc +4 atk fr all of 3k vs spending 2 mil. There are things more important to upgrade than an extra 5~6 acc with that 2 mil.

Yes crap is cheaper but that's no reason to let's say..bash ruby rings when you can get better shit BEFORE you waste 500k on 1 extra bit of str. Guess what? if there's a War running around in flame rings and no bomb core/bomblet they're being stupid because they could have upgraded other things first including some of those NM gigas braclets.

Stop Leveling. Farm. If there's a WAR running around with Flame Rings and no Bomb Core I will bash him for not having it, because the cumulative gear set shouldn't be taken lightly. Don't 'choose' what you think enhances you the best for the least amount of cash, enhance everything, and STOP LEVELING TO GENERATE MONEY WHEN YOU CAN'T. Gigas Bracelets ONLY help on ws, which you don't even get JIN till 60. STR gear ONLY helps on WS. Spend your gil on stuff that matters, and improve WS gear last, but for god sakes, use equip macros.

Please, stop throwing rubbish at this. SE freaking babied up the COP Battles, and this is near the beginning of the story line. You're a NIN, my group made it through with a PLD tank...I have no pity for anything CoP related what, 3 years after its release?

 

[Blazeoffury]

Stop Leveling. Farm. If there's a WAR running around with Flame Rings and no Bomb Core I will bash him for not having it, because the cumulative gear set shouldn't be taken lightly. Don't 'choose' what you think enhances you the best for the least amount of cash, enhance everything, and STOP LEVELING TO GENERATE MONEY WHEN YOU CAN'T. Gigas Bracelets ONLY help on ws, which you don't even get JIN till 60. STR gear ONLY helps on WS. Spend your gil on stuff that matters, and improve WS gear last, but for god sakes, use equip macros.

Please, stop throwing rubbish at this. SE freaking babied up the COP Battles, and this is near the beginning of the story line. You're a NIN, my group made it through with a PLD tank...I have no pity for anything CoP related what, 3 years after its release?

Amen. Clap. Praise.

Jamal is completely right if you don't have the money to gear your ninja up right then take the time to make that money. And don't make up that lame ass excuse " I only have a limited play time each day." That's plain shit for saying you're lazy. You have a limited time? Well use that time to make money for your job, so you can actually do a good job with good gear and not run around looking like one of those gilsellers, who I've sadly seen have better gear then some of the real players out there. Go make money so your ninja leveling experience will be more enjoyable, and so you won't be a disgrace to the job.

 

[Khajit]

Yeah and the amount of COP statics that myseriously poofed into thin air i've had is almost in double digits atm. some lasting literally 10 seconds. The problem with getting past COP isnt how hard the fights are. The fights have always been easy. It's getting 5 other people to sit the fuck down and finish the damned mission.
If I had 5 people that didnt DC at horrid times, move houses, get sick, quit the game, on different mission ahead of me, that started at 1 am, ect and just straight out went into the missions with me asap I would have been done with it over 2 years ago and that's counting in the 8 months I wasnt even on this game.


Also you missed the damned point. I already farm up my crap to gear myself up. Stop acting like I A) dont farm B) dont use equip macros or tell others to use them, C) tell others to be gimp.
There's the usual farming your ass off during free time and then there's the fucking machochism you seem to be endorsing.
If I had a choice between dusk gloves and flame rings guess what I would choose? yeah the dusk gloves. That was the point concerning the cost certain items. There's a long list of things better to upgrade for most players than what you are suggesting and I dont see how paying 2 mil to sneak in 5 more acc is worth it when I can pay 800k to get 6 acc instead and if anything else is missing I can get that too. PCC is for when everything else is finished acc wise that you can upgrade.

Do I expect you to farm still? damned straight. I also expect them to wear something decent. What ruffy was trying is far from that atm. that we can agree on at least. Where's the macro swap gear ruffy? Why are you trying gear with -dex on a job with heavily dex modified WS?

 

[Lavi]

Stop Leveling. Farm. If there's a WAR running around with Flame Rings and no Bomb Core I will bash him for not having it, because the cumulative gear set shouldn't be taken lightly. Don't 'choose' what you think enhances you the best for the least amount of cash, enhance everything, and STOP LEVELING TO GENERATE MONEY WHEN YOU CAN'T. Gigas Bracelets ONLY help on ws, which you don't even get JIN till 60. STR gear ONLY helps on WS. Spend your gil on stuff that matters, and improve WS gear last, but for god sakes, use equip macros.

Please, stop throwing rubbish at this. SE freaking babied up the COP Battles, and this is near the beginning of the story line. You're a NIN, my group made it through with a PLD tank...I have no pity for anything CoP related what, 3 years after its release?

Did you have a PCC at 33? Did you have a juggy at 70? Etc. I can only bet you didn't have half the items you now have, so why can you who didn't even follow your own advice begin to rant everyone else should farm for your bare minimum before they continue leveling? I am sure it didn't stop you, so why should they?

 

[Blazeoffury]

Did you have a PCC at 33? Did you have a juggy at 70? Etc. I can only bet you didn't have half the items you now have, so why can you who didn't even follow your own advice begin to rant everyone else should farm for your bare minimum before they continue leveling? I am sure it didn't stop you, so why should they?

It stops people. I didn't level without the best gear available (except for speedbelt) on my ninja. PCC, sh, hauby, dusk, amemet+1, fumas, okote, bkote, etc. All it takes is time, the same as everything on this game takes, time. This game is a timesink, and if you're not willing to put the time or effort into making the best out of your character then why should i spend my time or effort in a party with someone who doesn't put the same time/effort into their character as I do in mine?

If you want to be a "casual" FFXI player, then PT with "casual" FFXI players, but don't get pissed off when I leave your PT because it sucks. Albeit your fault or others faults, don't get pissed when you won't put the time or effort to make your character the best it can be.

 

[Lavi]

It stops people. I didn't level without the best gear available (except for speedbelt) on my ninja. PCC, sh, hauby, dusk, amemet+1, fumas, okote, bkote, etc. All it takes is time, the same as everything on this game takes, time. This game is a timesink, and if you're not willing to put the time or effort into making the best out of your character then why should i spend my time or effort in a party with someone who doesn't put the same time/effort into their character as I do in mine?

If you want to be a "casual" FFXI player, then PT with "casual" FFXI players, but don't get pissed off when I leave your PT because it sucks. Albeit your fault or others faults, don't get pissed when you won't put the time or effort to make your character the best it can be.

That's a fair statement; however, Jamal made no hint at that. He merely stated that you should do what he said regardless and hinting at the gimp card if you didn't. I do personally think you take it a little far especially when some of the items you mention are relatively a pain in the ass to obtain and yet, you didn't incluse Speed belt. You mention B.Kotes which in my experience has only dropped once in about a dozen or more kills, but that could just be luck. That aside, I wouldn't stop leveling for something that requires a party to kill and takes that much time. I would and did for items like Okote and Fumas, especially once they became EX, but that doesn't mean others should. Again, Jamal made the statement, if you cannot afford to buy the neccesary gear, then don't play the job, not don't party with me if you cannot afford it.

 

[jamal]

Did you have a PCC at 33? Did you have a juggy at 70? Etc. I can only bet you didn't have half the items you now have, so why can you who didn't even follow your own advice begin to rant everyone else should farm for your bare minimum before they continue leveling? I am sure it didn't stop you, so why should they?

I had Hauby+1 at 60, when the only crafter that could make it was Kaine...who hated NA's and pricejacked to the moon.

For pld I even farmed while lfp...and had a hades earring back when they were astronomical. This was my first job, and I didn't think for a second about spending time to make the gear the best it could be. Then when I leveled WAR, I continued attempting to make gil the old-fashioned way, by earning it.

And I had pcc at 37, its not 33...this is when they were 20M as well...long before the BC dropped the price imensely. Jug I waited till 75, shame on me...but again, it was 27M when I was lvl 70...its 5M now...

I have taken my own advice.

 

[jamal]

That's a fair statement; however, Jamal made no hint at that. He merely stated that you should do what he said regardless and hinting at the gimp card if you didn't. I do personally think you take it a little far especially when some of the items you mention are relatively a pain in the ass to obtain and yet, you didn't incluse Speed belt. You mention B.Kotes which in my experience has only dropped once in about a dozen or more kills, but that could just be luck. That aside, I wouldn't stop leveling for something that requires a party to kill and takes that much time. I would and did for items like Okote and Fumas, especially once they became EX, but that doesn't mean others should. Again, Jamal made the statement, if you cannot afford to buy the neccesary gear, then don't play the job, not don't party with me if you cannot afford it.

I never said Sniper+1's either...certain gear you might not be able to afford at the level, but PCC for god's sakes can be BC'd, that's a total different ballgame.

 

[shmedly]

Did you have a PCC at 33? Did you have a juggy at 70? Etc. I can only bet you didn't have half the items you now have, so why can you who didn't even follow your own advice begin to rant everyone else should farm for your bare minimum before they continue leveling? I am sure it didn't stop you, so why should they?

They may not have had that gear at those levels because it's almost impossible unless you have a 75 job, met a few nice people, or have the drive to farm like a mofo.

My nin is 33 and mnk 35(went 32-35 in same party) atm. I stopped at these levels because I didn't have Ni, O'kote, Kyahan, Jujitsu Gi, or PCC. I level'd rdm to 40, found 2 nin's to do Under Observation with. I got damn lucky cause out of 3 orbs, I got Ni on the first one and PCC on the third. I camped the dirty birds and got Kote and Kyahan about a month apart. Only the Gi left to go, but I'll camp that too. It's not impossible by any means, just takes time and the desire to have those items.

It's too bad some people don't take more pride in there performance and gear.

Peace,
Shmed

*edit* The pride thing was not a dig at Ruffy by any means. It is just a general observation.

 

[Mistaya]

I guess we simply disagree in where the bar for 'acceptable' is set. Yours is set to "If you do not have the best piece of equipment in every single slot don't put your flag up." Mine is set to "Have the best equipment in the majority of slots, but if you're missing a couple hard to get items, I don't mind." If that dooms me to mediocrity, then so be it.

Your standard is not realistic.