Beastmaster and Skadi

[pakomen]

So, I have finally just about reached my goal of having a third job at 75 and have decided that I can finally get back into some of the end-game activities I've been missing out on while hauling ass to get blu to 75 over the past three months. Biggest thing I've been curious about was Salvage gear, so I decided to look up the stats for both Morrigan's (for my blu and blm) and Skadi (for my bst).

All in all, Morrigan's looks alright. There are a few pieces that I'd probably prefer to do without but will probably end up persuing just to have the full set.

And before some of the trolls get on here with the "zomg you do realize this shit doesn't just drop out of the sky right? This is hard to get!" I already know this.

As I was saying, the Morrigan's set looks pretty decent for both my blu and blm. Especially the body and legs for my blm and the head and body for my blu. I prefer some of my other str/acc/homam-hopes for my blu, and yigit/af+1 for my blm.

However, I finally got to the stats about Skadi, read through the stats and had a serious wtf moment. What the hell is bst doing in an armor lineup with thf/rng/cor on a set that enhances mainly ranged accuracy, ranged attack, and accuracy.

Total Stats for quick reference:

Defense +116
STR +8
DEX +12
VIT +3
AGI +17
CHR +8
Accuracy +19
Attack +26
Ranged Accuracy +24
Ranged Attack +21
Evasion -15
"Store TP" +7
Haste +5%
Increases movement speed
Set: Increases rate of critical hits

I can nearly match the STR on the whole set with my AF+1 legs alone, and Creek M Mitts are +6 as well. Dex is meh for bst. +3 vit is pretty worthless. Agi? Chr+8 on a melle set? My AF+1 legs give +6 by themself. Evasion -15? That's what I need. Acc+19? Bst mainly fights T mobs at 75 and NEVER gets invited to exp parties, so...

I'm just basically flabbergasted. A lot of bst other gear is war/drk/bst, so what's up with this set? Since when did bst get thrown over to the ranged attack side of the game? Seems like it would have made sense to follow the standard and put us bst's up in the Ares set with the war/drk/pld/DRG??? where the stats are:

Defense +158
HP +10%
MP +10%
STR +22
DEX +6
VIT +19
AGI +3
INT -3
MND -3
Accuracy +29
Attack +43
Evasion -19
Double Attack +2%
Adds Refresh Effect
Set: Enhances "Double Attack" Effect

Anyway, I don't know if this should be a "fuck you" flame to SE or a discussion. Take it where you want. I'd rather have an understanding how SE could even rationalize it this way, or at least a guess. I'm just stumped.

I'm not complaining too hard though. Morrigan's is going to be a big enough effort by itself, and I promised myself I'd never do another assault after getting full yigit, but I'd like to give salvage a second chance as soon as my blu dings 75 (probably this weekend).

 

[Dejan]

Like we didn't know already S-E hates us bsts.
I mean, seriously, you can all say i'm emo and what not, but it's the truth. SE Doesn't give a shit about bst.

They keep saying we should go out and pt, but cause of ToAU and the burn pt's it's not quite the way it works. I have to keep my brd on top notch just to merit.

That's why i crave so much to try stuff all-bst. That's why i love it so, cause we're "outsiders" in the world of vana`diel.

Eh, i'm semi-drunk as usual, but SE does hate bsts, period.

I'm totally not impressed with salvage gear sucking ballz for bst.

Ps: Pako, you rule.

Cheers

 

[pakomen]

Ps: Pako, you rule.

No YOU rule

Yeah, I'm just sick of us bst getting the shaft I guess. This seems like it was an obvious measure to piss off the bst community. The more I look at those stats, the more I think "wtf?".

 

[Jakey]

I would imagine the peice with increase Movement speed would be nice for bst, as for why they made the armor sets so wierd like that, I don't know but I'm happy drg finally gets some plate armor

 

[pakomen]

I would imagine the peice with increase Movement speed would be nice for bst.

Contrary to popular belief, we actually do not spend most of our time running away from mobs.

Yeah, that piece is nice I guess. I've lived long enough without any plusses to movement speed that I really don't find it necessary.

 

[Dejan]

Contrary to popular belief, we actually do not spend most of our time running away from mobs.

Yeah, that piece is nice I guess. I've lived long enough without any plusses to movement speed that I really don't find it necessary.

Agreed, we can totally survive without MoveSpd+++, don't get me wrong it'd be nice to run from one place to another, but it's definitely not essencial as it is for kiting stuff..

Actually, these new equips are what make me weary with doing salvage in the first place. I'm not even gonna bother doing them cause i can already tell i can get more doing other crap...

Salvage, no thanks.

Ps: Pako, holy crap dood you answer fast.

Cheers

 

[pakomen]

I'm bored at work lol. It's a very slow day.

 

[Mishaela]

I entirely agree, and was INCREDIBLY aggrivated to see that Beastmaster got this set instead of Ares. +movespeed is nice...and the feet are actually not all that bad (str and acc, makes for both good TP gain as well as WS, though Hecatomb are better) - this is truely the only remotely useful pieces, and that's really really saying something since Thick/Adaman Soleretts are about as good for TP gain, and at 1/1000th the effort to get.

Legs are meager, and yeah, the rest absolutely sucks for BST, and not one stat on the other pieces makes it remotely worthwhile of getting for them. Even the set bonus is absolute bullsh-!t, since if anything we could just WS in Sipahi or Pahluwan if we wanted a critical bonus and not be stuck with garbage handgear/headgear to get it.

And not to nitpick, but where's the melee JA SE said they were giving BST in...uhm..October?

 

[Corvinus]

Beast don't do damage tho. Unless you pack with Heacatomb and Adaman stuff also Axe skill only 269 unless you fullly merit. I like CHR gears better such as Osede AF+1s and relics. STR and DEX on bst is so so low compare to other jobs for big damage. Movement speed will save our asses incase of mischarm and link all pets, that is nice one there.

 

[CmdrFly]

'Skadi' translates roughly to:

"Stay out the Rampage game, y'hear? Leave that to the drk's and rng's.

Oh and war's, here's another shitload of stat mods for you. Theeeeaaaaaanks!"

 

[pakomen]

Beast don't do damage tho. Unless you pack with Heacatomb and Adaman stuff also Axe skill only 269 unless you fullly merit. I like CHR gears better such as Osede AF+1s and relics. STR and DEX on bst is so so low compare to other jobs for big damage. Movement speed will save our asses incase of mischarm and link all pets, that is nice one there.

I do pretty damn good damage as a bst, in my opinion. This is my set: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?135170. And I would say it pulls it's weight in solo and meripo if I'd ever get an invite.

I have max merits on axe.

If you mischarm and link 10 pucks/korrigans, you're going to bite the dirt with or without a boost to movement speed.

Sorry I just get offended when I hear people say "bst can't do good damage" because in most cases it's utter bullshit.

And yes, I know that's a leopard axe in offhand. It probably shouldn't be there at all, but when I'm at 100tp halfway through a mob maneater just feels like garbage (during solo).

 

[Mishaela]

Beast don't do damage tho. Unless you pack with Heacatomb and Adaman stuff also Axe skill only 269 unless you fullly merit. I like CHR gears better such as Osede AF+1s and relics. STR and DEX on bst is so so low compare to other jobs for big damage. Movement speed will save our asses incase of mischarm and link all pets, that is nice one there.

A few things, though:
- The other jobs use Hecatomb/Adaman to be good DDs too. It's not like we get some actually good JSE to compensate for the less-than-average stats the job gets. (Even the new Khimaira set is more or less a huge "f-!k you BSTs" from SE - the Reward reduction on Khimaira Bonnet is the same as on Bison Warbonnet, and the other pieces only give DEX/VIT/eva. The feet are moderately good, but only in the fact that they're -2 enmity versions of Thick Solerets +1...which isn't saying much. )
- WAR has the same Axe cap as BST, so "only" 269 = ?
- CHR gear should only be used when you're charming...if you're WSing in CHR gear, then yeah, your WSes are gonna suck but badly.

My STR's only 62, and DEX is only 76. Not great, I know, but BST gets the advantage of having pets that can hit rather hard. BST isn't at all a spike damage job, but doesn't mean that it can't pull it's own weight in DoT.

And Skadi Feet...with +move...is more of a for-fun thing at best. Unless you got a clean-cut track of non-agro/link area, you're just gonna get more stuff chasing you that's gonna get in free hits as you run by. I can't think of a single practical XP spot where a BST could actually use the movespeed for beneficial reasons.

 

[Mattaru]

Be right back getting the highest DMG non-relic axe off of Hydra so I can use it in a party....oh wait. (Sirius Axe in full party is 53 base dmg btw, or so Ive recently been told).

Correction: BST do not do spiking damage...unless you are very well geared, but then you are told just to get on your WAR. For instance BSTs on other servers that are rolling nearly full Heca, some even Adaberk etc. almost always always have 75 WAR. I won't say that BST is a DoT job (but it is) because I know I'm going to start hearing well my big fat Rampage definitely adds to DoT lolols.

The fact of the matter is that SE refuses to help our solo play so why would they give us movement speed, and they utterly fail at enhancing our pt play because if we have high spike damage capabilities + decent axe dot + a pet we would possibly unbalance, or at least be a WAR.

 

[Mishaela]

Be right back getting the highest DMG non-relic axe off of Hydra so I can use it in a party....oh wait. (Sirius Axe in full party is 53 base dmg btw, or so Ive recently been told).

Correction: BST do not do spiking damage...unless you are very well geared, but then you are told just to get on your WAR. For instance BSTs on other servers that are rolling nearly full Heca, some even Adaberk etc. almost always always have 75 WAR. I won't say that BST is a DoT job (but it is) because I know I'm going to start hearing well my big fat Rampage definitely adds to DoT lolols.

The fact of the matter is that SE refuses to help our solo play so why would they give us movement speed, and they utterly fail at enhancing our pt play because if we have high spike damage capabilities + decent axe dot + a pet we would possibly unbalance, or at least be a WAR.

*trolltroll*

Yeah, Sirius Axe is the Company Sword of Axes. Of course, SE and their "party supporting" ways made it something like a 10% drop off of a HNM. Go figure.


Seems the only real edge the job can get is if they fully merit Beast Affinity as well as get Monster Gloves. From what I've heard, Funguars can hit T mobs for 80-110 as well as Double Attack fairly often. However, since that requires 120000xp to pull off and Carrie Hits just as hard (sans the shot at DA), may just be better to toss on some more strength/axe merits if anything, especially if you don't happen to have the gloves.

 

[Rhaddy]

*trolltroll*

Yeah, Sirius Axe is the Company Sword of Axes. Of course, SE and their "party supporting" ways made it something like a 10% drop off of a HNM. Go figure.


Seems the only real edge the job can get is if they fully merit Beast Affinity as well as get Monster Gloves. From what I've heard, Funguars can hit T mobs for 80-110 as well as Double Attack fairly often. However, since that requires 120000xp to pull off and Carrie Hits just as hard (sans the shot at DA), may just be better to toss on some more strength/axe merits if anything, especially if you don't happen to have the gloves.

Do you have a link to any better parses of Beast Affinity? I've pretty much just been using carrie with Af2 gloves and not really noticing a huge difference. If capping Beast Affinity can make Funguars do more dot than carrie, I'd consider meritting it more.

Beast don't do damage tho. Unless you pack with Heacatomb and Adaman stuff also Axe skill only 269 unless you fullly merit. I like CHR gears better such as Osede AF+1s and relics. STR and DEX on bst is so so low compare to other jobs for big damage. Movement speed will save our asses incase of mischarm and link all pets, that is nice one there.

heh

As for sirius axe, Bst only axe... ('~'

 

[Halifirien]

If capping Beast Affinity can make Funguars do more dot than carrie, I'd consider meritting it more.

That's one of my next goals. I have Monster Gloves, so the idea of dragging the funguar up into the higher levels is very appealing. I like their Sic moves a hell of a lot more than Carrie's.

 

[K. Ishitar]

Contrary to popular belief, we actually do not spend most of our time running away from mobs.

Yeah, that piece is nice I guess. I've lived long enough without any plusses to movement speed that I really don't find it necessary.

I feel bad now lol I spend most of my time running away from mobs

but then again I'm sicking bees and crawlers on stuff like Gobbues

go figure

 

[Skaw]

Beast don't do damage tho. Unless you pack with Heacatomb and Adaman stuff also Axe skill only 269 unless you fullly merit. I like CHR gears better such as Osede AF+1s and relics. STR and DEX on bst is so so low compare to other jobs for big damage. Movement speed will save our asses incase of mischarm and link all pets, that is nice one there.

Uh, dex isn't low on BST. My base dex trails behind my monks by one point(with /war.) One point behind one of the higher DEX jobs is far from low.

Aside from the STR, the rest of your post is lol. Come back when you've got a clue about the job.

As for the salvage set, if theres one thing I've got to say, it's that atleast the boots seem easy (and cheap) to get. Compared to other pieces, and other sets.

My mistake, it was 2 DEX below. Had it confused with BST/NIN DEX. And STR only by 3. So much for "so low."

Oh no! 1 Accuracy and 0.2% Critical Rate behind Monks. Such a horrible blow to BST!

 

[Dejan]

Do you have a link to any better parses of Beast Affinity? I've pretty much just been using carrie with Af2 gloves and not really noticing a huge difference. If capping Beast Affinity can make Funguars do more dot than carrie, I'd consider meritting it more.



heh

As for sirius axe, Bst only axe... ('~'

I maxed out Bst Affinity a few days after it came out (gogo brd merit whore), and would always toy arround using funugars for small crap instead of CC, and could already see that they could do as much damage as CC, sometimes more with SilenceGas and other sic moves.

Just recently i got my Relic gloves, and compared to the funguars from before, the new ones do more damage. Course this may all be in my head =P and i'm still gonna parse it with and without gloves, but from my experience Funguars > CC... I mean, what would be the point of bst aff then?

Ninjar edit: When i say Funguars > CC is in a DD point of vew, CC still will have it's uses as a tank or what not.
Btw, they finally figured out what Sirius axe does? Last i heard it did absolutely nothing; which is pretty typical seeing SE hates bst.

 

[Skaw]

I really wouldn't call a very cheap, psuedo-Ogre Killer "typical SE BST hating."