Before I get Permabanned...

[Miros]

Actually, I should clarify.


No standard punishment is listed for this. Presumably this would result in deleted posts, and only a ban after repeat offenses. I see no reason why anyone would "have to be banned" for this.



Another situation where deleted or moved posts, or warnings would suffice. Why are we jumping straight to bans?


I don't even see a rule regarding this. Again, why is the immediate solution a ban, especially for something that amounts to an "internal memo" or "lurk moar"? If this is written somewhere, I apologize, because I have looked at two rule threads, with no hint of this.

I honestly think you're confusing "enforcing the rules equally" with "heavy-handedness".

That being said, if you truly feel that people have done enough of these things to deserve a ban proper, they should be banned, myself included. Since for some reason you seem to believe that to present such a threatening picture, I'm sure you'll have no problem justifying it when any of those people are banned.

I guess it was mostly because this whole subject was on the topic of banning. I agree that banning for spamming without warning is shitty.

I do want everyone to know though, that there is a post on the mods section and we are trying to get things straightened out with rules and punishments. Previous to this, there was no real way of knowing if a person was already warned besides asking the other mods. If it was an old mod who gave the warning, we wouldn't know.

Please try to understand that there are gray areas in every rule that will ever happen here, no matter what. Sometimes it is difficult to decipher what to do. I remember before I left as a mod, I was trying to get Reeve to change stickied posts in areas with Sculli's name on it. He didn't really care and that was a big reason why I left. With Fly and Elei here now, maybe some ideas will go over smoothly.

 

[Miros]

My apologies - I skipped over the question of the banning of the person who has more then one account on their IP...that has arisen from BSTMistress. Most have cried out saying it was Kink and was waiting for us to ban. We got a PM saying that it was their daughter though, and we were trying to be fair.

 

[Garvin]

My apologies - I skipped over the question of the banning of the person who has more then one account on their IP...that has arisen from BSTMistress. Most have cried out saying it was Kink and was waiting for us to ban. We got a PM saying that it was their daughter though, and we were trying to be fair.

You're somewhat right, there's no fair and easy solution to something like that, and it's the danger of having people with absolutely no affiliation to FFXI, or who have never even gone near Quetzalcoatl on this site. Who's to say if I'm banned, I can't just have a random friend or family member take my place, perhaps posting things I ask them to? Since it's not me...

 

[Miros]

You're somewhat right, there's no fair and easy solution to something like that, and it's the danger of having people with absolutely no affiliation to FFXI, or who have never even gone near Quetzalcoatl on this site. Who's to say if I'm banned, I can't just have a random friend or family member take my place, perhaps posting things I ask them to? Since it's not me...

Exactly. I do extend my apologies again for the peregrine incident and I hope people have the faith in us to do what is right.

 

[toqabowl]

I'm still waiting for the okay to start enforcing every rule that we have on these boards. Can't wait to see how quiet it gets after that. lol

you mods and admins can barely enforce a few rules, I couldnt picture you with more. :rtfm:

seriously, ive never seen such lack of modding on these boards

 

[Romper]

you mods and admins can barely enforce a few rules, I couldnt picture you with more. :rtfm:

seriously, ive never seen such lack of modding on these boards

ShinraOnline you can have this.

 

[Calais]

If they equally enforced every old ass and outdated rule on this site, it wouldn't be worth coming here anymore. Seriously, even with the recent update and the upcoming expansion, there's really not a whole lot of FFXI news. The hell do some of you people think is going to be on these boards if there is zero tolerance for spamming, derailing, and useless replies done in internet speak? That's not to say everyone should rejoice every time a new Scrubs thread pops up, but what the hell is so important that we should be talking about instead?

you mods and admins can barely enforce a few rules, I couldnt picture you with more. :rtfm:

seriously, ive never seen such lack of modding on these boards

If this is sarcasm, then my apologies in advance.
Who the do you think is moving and closing threads, deleting sockpuppets and blocking accounts made to spam?

Goddamn not sleeping really makes you want to rant so I should stop typing now.

 

[toqabowl]

ya i was making a joke forgot to put the 'lol' at the end^^

 

[Eleibfrid]

Because I get banned for bending rules, how fucking stupid are you? How about, I don't get in trouble for breaking rules, I don't bitch at you morons when you let rules go unpunished.

There are rules you don't get in trouble for, and rules that you don't, how idiotic is that?

I didn't even flame when I got banned, I just posted a pic of a player with shitty gear sporting a BoL pearl and said anyone can get into BoL so everyone who wants should apply.

I never said they were a bunch of gimp idiots so if you have gear like this guy, join up.

All these rule threads go right over your moronic brain, and it's hard to understand why.

Player A breaks a rule and gets temp banned for breaking a rule, the mods have been looking to temp ban him anyway.

Player B breaks a rule, but the mods like the thread so they don't care.

You've even complemented a flame outside of FB, sending mixed signals to me about what I'm really supposed to do. Keep entertaining you or quiet up.

On top of that thread I brought up, there was already a thread about it.

Care to link me to the thread that I "complemented" outside of the FB?

If you honestly believe that that that BoL pic you posted wasn't baiting in any way, even implying that you can have next to no gear and still get in, you're fucking dense.

How about, you start following rules and not flamebait outside of the FB, and we'll all be happy? Because last I thought, you're not in any position to telling me or any other mod what to do. Or you can not be happy, doesn't matter to me either way.

Way to fucking oversimplify your example, let me rephrase it for you:

Player A gets temp banned for repeated (i.e., more than once) cases of flamebaiting.

Player B creates a thread that might be in the wrong section.

Do you see a difference in extremes there? I sure as hell do.

you mods and admins can barely enforce a few rules, I couldnt picture you with more.

seriously, ive never seen such lack of modding on these boards

Oh, okay.

 

[Isomiau]

 

[Garvin]

If you honestly believe that that that BoL pic you posted wasn't baiting in any way, even implying that you can have next to no gear and still get in, you're fucking dense.

I find this statement incredibly ironic coming from someone who thinks that BOL posting that they're "drama free" isn't flamebaiting...

 

[Eleibfrid]

I find this statement incredibly ironic coming from someone who thinks that BOL posting that they're "drama free" isn't flamebaiting...

It's not. Sorry, I told you before: I'm not someone who wants to tell people how to advertise their linkshell and censor whatever they say that I don't like.

 

[Garvin]

It's not. Sorry, I told you before: I'm not someone who wants to tell people how to advertise their linkshell and censor whatever they say that I don't like.

That's okay, at least Cmdrfly has some brains.

That would be the ideal way to do it. For anything really. New post in Flameboard, link to the thread or quote the post in question.

 

[Eleibfrid]

That's okay, at least Cmdrfly has some brains.

What is that quote by Cmdr even relevant to? Linking to a flame on the FB != censoring what's said in the OP.

No one can tell someone HOW to advertise their linkshell, how can you not understand the concept of that? Just because YOU (Garvin) don't like what they say, doesn't mean they can't say it.

Sorry, I told you this when you were begging me for Admincp access. Told you once, twice, ninety times before: I'm not going to censor people for your benefit.

 

[Garvin]

What is that quote by Cmdr even relevant to?

No one can tell someone HOW to advertise their linkshell, how can you not understand the concept of that? Just because YOU (Garvin) don't like what they say, doesn't mean they can't say it.

Sorry, I told you this when you were begging me for Admincp access. Told you once, twice, ninety times before: I'm not going to censor people for your benefit.

Ooh, leaving facts out... like the part where you gave up on doing stuff and didn't feel like telling anyone about it?

Anyway, this stems from the fact that Captain Leibfrid over here wants linkshells to be able to say whatever they want, and other players to have absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

The post is relevant because this was one of my suggestions regarding the LS recruitment forum. Allow the person to create a flame on the flameboard, and link to it and/or relevant flames regarding said LS or player.


Just because I have to continue to explain what I meant due to your lack of understanding doesn't make me somehow wrong.

 

[Makelith]

The Peregrine thing is fucked up, I admit. I wasn't aware he had his account here. Going to be honest. If all your doing is teling us to start doing the job that we've been told to do, then I guess we should start from the beginning.

If it sounds like i am, i am truly sorry. I have been a mod of a message board before, and i know how hard it is to deal with the consistent whining.

Shyrra, Kelyon, Kage, Rannoch, Neo, and a whole shitload of other people would have to be banned for spamming and derailing.

Meeze, Romper, Garvin, and a shitload of other people would be banned for flamebaiting (even the slightest hint of flamebaiting, cause that's what the rules are, and we have to be fair and unbalanced). Do you kinda see where I'm going? Not everything is zomg follow rulez. Gray areas will always exist. If someone is truly pissing you off, send us a PM, and we'll see what we can do to fix the problem.

This isn't quite what i was getting at. I'll see if i can make it more clear.

All of those people above are guilty of what you have said, who isn't? Not one person here hasn't flamebaited or derailed a thread. What i'm getting at is consistency. Gray areas are always going to exist, but when mods decide to act on a gray area, they need to act *about* the same given the same circumstances. (i.e. 3 day flamebaiting to romper vs 14day flamebaiting to meeze) I don't know if there is a "mod punishment book" or anything like that for qcdn, but if there isn't i would strongly suggest making one, and make it public. The rules are one thing, but it worked better on the site that i modded for to have each crime listed and the steps of things. (like deleted post + PM/post a warning to the person, then to a light ban, like a week, then to a month, then to a perma. Then depending on the sevarity (sp?) maybe skip a step or 2.)

These are all rules that will cannot be completely enforced, and never will be. It would be stupid to try that (hi sculli). The only thing you can do is keep it from getting out of line and spewing all over the board, by handing out warnings and deleting posts. Yes, its alot of work for the current mod team to handle, but if worse comes to worse, why not get another?

 

[Eleibfrid]

Ooh, leaving facts out... like the part where you gave up on doing stuff and didn't feel like telling anyone about it?

Anyway, this stems from the fact that Captain Leibfrid over here wants linkshells to be able to say whatever they want, and other players to have absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

The post is relevant because this was one of my suggestions regarding the LS recruitment forum. Allow the person to create a flame on the flameboard, and link to it and/or relevant flames regarding said LS or player.


Just because I have to continue to explain what I meant due to your lack of understanding doesn't make me somehow wrong.

Sorry Captain Lewis, your arguments were solely the censoring of an LS recruiting OP from advertising their shell in however they see fit, and inconvenience.

The post is irrelevant because creating a flame on the flameboard about the shell and linking said thread is PERFECTLY FINE. Your SOLE ARGUMENTS were that *you* didn't like what people say in their recruitment OP's, and you wanted to make new rules to censor them from advertising their shell in the way they see fit, and that you couldn't flame *in* the recruiting thread. Flames are to be kept in the Flameboard, if you want to flame a shell on their recruiting thread, go right ahead, but do it in the CORRECT forum. Oh my god it's so inconvenient that way. Deal with it.

I never gave up on anything. Sure, I got up and walked away for a bit because things get tedious and I need a break. But give up? Nah.

 

[Garvin]

Sorry Captain Lewis, your argument was solely the censoring of an LS recruiting OP from advertising their shell in however they see fit.

The post is irrelevant because creating a flame on the flameboard about the shell and linking said thread is PERFECTLY FINE. Your SOLE ARGUMENT was that *you* didn't like what people say in their recruitment OP's, and you wanted to make new rules to censor them from advertising their shell in the way they see fit. gg

My argument was to censor both parties or neither. Not only that, but you specifically said there was to be nothing negative in any LS recruitment thread, including when I brought up the prospect of linking to a flameboard post. You said numerous times "frameboard onry lol".

My point wasn't about anything I liked or disliked, it was about posting potentially arguable, disagreeable statements, or things that were downright lies in a recruitment thread with absolutely no means of countering it.

I never gave up on anything. Sure, I got up and walked away for a bit because things get tedious and I need a break. But give up? Nah.

That's not how it seemed to me.

 

[Eleibfrid]

absolutely no means of countering it.

Sure there is: Flameboard -> Create Topic -> Link said recruitment thread somewhere in OP -> Post

 

[Garvin]

Sure there is: Flameboard -> Create Topic -> Link said recruitment thread somewhere in OP -> Post

(1:53:05 PM) Eleibfrid: They can say what they want to advertise their LS. If someone finds something to be untrue, call them out on it in the correct forum (flameboard). We are not going to tell them that they cannot say this this or this, nor are we telling them how to advertise
(1:55:35 PM) Garvin: Then if that's to be the case, it's only appropriate to at minimum allow linking of relevent topics from other boards, including the flameboard, in those posts.
(1:56:11 PM) Garvin: Otherwise you're just intentionally distancing the facts from the situation...
(1:57:32 PM) Garvin: At least on any other forum, someone can dispute the person in question without flames
(2:01:59 PM) Eleibfrid: I don't see how distancing the situation is like, 3 clicks away
(2:02:11 PM) Garvin: For us, yeah.
(2:02:46 PM) Garvin: Joe McNewerguy or Frank Casualuser fires up his intartubes and goes to QCDN... "Hey, linkshells!"
(2:03:20 PM) Garvin: I dunno, I just don't see how it's fair
(2:03:26 PM) Eleibfrid: What's stopping them from clicking on the FB?