Blm, Is it for real, or just nuking?

Blm, Just nuking or what?

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The Black Mages have been way too strong ever since we released the game, and we've been trying to make them weaker. But as you know, players always find creative ways to get around this. But as for what we're going to do in the future, we're planning to continue to look to those Black Mages and continue to adjust them.
--Hiromichi Tanaka, FFXI producer
August, 2005

This is about as disgusted as a developer can get with the types of people who play his game, but who don't technically break the rules. I'm not saying all black mages are elitist little snots who can only succeed because they're black mages. Just a few, and they stick out like a sore thumb. I mean look at the thread. :roll:

And once again, compared to the opinion of the producer of FFXI, no one cares what some 2-bit glory-whore blm thinks should happen. It really sucks for the many black mages out there who don't throw their job around, but for the ones who do, especially on this forum...

It's coming. The rangers didn't break the game when they got nerfed. They tried to pull a mutiny too. No one cared, and the decent rangers survived while the brats left. Blm will be the same way. They'll nerf them and the people no one really wants in the game anyway will leave.

And as for odon after the nerf, everyone will always know that without abusing the black mage job to milk money off others, he would have always been a nobody. He'll be an old relic of a time when little brats milked identity instead of effort. Some sad, dead monument to an internet caste system.
 
Ouch, My pride...


Really pere.. :roll:

I have more money on me then you will ever see, I have a lvl 3 relic, I have 91 cloth soon to be 98, what do you have pere? Oh right, nothing. Your thf is gimp, you are a nobody.

Don't be upset that your job can't wipe a KS in 30 seconds.

Broke ass panzy, go back to begging for scraps.

I'll eat my lobster dinner thanks.
 
Funny...do I sound jealous to you? I don't think I'm being that obtuse here. Again, black mages like you are why the whole job is going to be nerfed. You know you'd be a nobody without leeching KS runs, and that doesn't bother you. You did nothing but level black mage and abuse it, and for that I don't care how much money you have. Little brat, you didn't earn a thing in this game. You probably picked black mage for that very reason.

You don't play blm. You use and abuse it and lord it over others. No, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm jealous of the likes of you. What a disgrace of a black mage. The only reason I applaud a nerf like this is because it knocks god-complexers down where they belong. Unfortunately in your case you still keep the rewards of all that imbalance. Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows you don't deserve what you have. But the nerf will hopefully keep others from turning into disgraces like you.

I'd rather have what I have than be a joke job-user. As much as you'd like to think you have more than me, honestly...30 million is enough gil for me. It's unfortunate that all the black mages that I associate with...the people worth a dime who play black mage...are paying for what a few losers have created.
 
Peregrine said:
Funny...do I sound jealous to you? I don't think I'm being that obtuse here. Again, black mages like you are why the whole job is going to be nerfed. You know you'd be a nobody without leeching KS runs, and that doesn't bother you. You did nothing but level black mage and abuse it, and for that I don't care how much money you have. Little brat, you didn't earn a thing in this game. You probably picked black mage for that very reason.

You don't play blm. You use and abuse it and lord it over others. No, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm jealous of the likes of you. What a disgrace of a black mage. The only reason I applaud a nerf like this is because it knocks god-complexers down where they belong. Unfortunately in your case you still keep the rewards of all that imbalance. Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows you don't deserve what you have. But the nerf will hopefully keep others from turning into disgraces like you.

I'd rather have what I have than be a joke job-user. As much as you'd like to think you have more than me, honestly...30 million is enough gil for me. It's unfortunate that all the black mages that I associate with...the people worth a dime who play black mage...are paying for what a few losers have created.

Have you ever seen me play my job pere?

Hm?

Really dude, the only people who complained about the KS run, was ....... the people who couldn't get anything out of it AKA you.

All the people that went on the run were for the most part happy as hell to be included.

I didn't earn anything? You just keep making yourself look stupider and stupider.
 
Hronorigger said:
I ball park around 15 pages o.ob oh and KS30 runs <3

no way Hrono, its gonna be like 7 Pere is gonna relize that he is dumb ass and is just rambling on and on because he isnt as teh 1337 (leet talk teh ownz) and Odon and he is just covering up for his true feelings for Odon and the BLM job, Pere just stop playing hide and seek and come outta that closet and just tell odon how you feel about hiim
 
BLM's are very necessary for end game, as well as being helpful in exp pt's. Yea we nuke the shit out of everything, but are also handy for sleepga2, escape, warp2, stun, enfeebles and back up assistance.
 
Peregrine said:
Funny...do I sound jealous to you? I don't think I'm being that obtuse here. Again, black mages like you are why the whole job is going to be nerfed. You know you'd be a nobody without leeching KS runs, and that doesn't bother you. You did nothing but level black mage and abuse it, and for that I don't care how much money you have. Little brat, you didn't earn a thing in this game. You probably picked black mage for that very reason.

You don't play blm. You use and abuse it and lord it over others. No, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm jealous of the likes of you. What a disgrace of a black mage. The only reason I applaud a nerf like this is because it knocks god-complexers down where they belong. Unfortunately in your case you still keep the rewards of all that imbalance. Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows you don't deserve what you have. But the nerf will hopefully keep others from turning into disgraces like you.

I'd rather have what I have than be a joke job-user. As much as you'd like to think you have more than me, honestly...30 million is enough gil for me. It's unfortunate that all the black mages that I associate with...the people worth a dime who play black mage...are paying for what a few losers have created.

Actually pere, you do sound jealous. If Blm is to be nerfed, it will not be beacause of Odon, it will be because people like you whined about a perceived imbalance. That's all it really is too, whinning. That fact is, for every BC that Blms can do as a manaburn, there are 2-3 NMs that you as a Thf can solo, that I cannot.

You've never interacted with me in-game, so don't you dare presume to know how I play Blm. Fact is, that I only use Blm to help people do quests and such, or to help an LS kill Kirin. I get nothing but lost xp and whiney little momma's boys like you crying abuse. Blms have always held destructive power in all FF games, nerfing them would just flat out be wrong. It would not only hurt the Blms, but everyone that plays the game.

Maybe they should nerf Thf next. I mean, take an evasion trait or two away, move Ni to 38 and severly hamper bloody and sleep bolts. I mean it's just not fair that a Thf can solo Cancer, and an abusive, overpowered Blm cannot! :roll:
 
And I'm sure SE watches what I do in game with a hawk's eye.. :roll:
 
alanon said:
Peregrine said:
Funny...do I sound jealous to you? I don't think I'm being that obtuse here. Again, black mages like you are why the whole job is going to be nerfed. You know you'd be a nobody without leeching KS runs, and that doesn't bother you. You did nothing but level black mage and abuse it, and for that I don't care how much money you have. Little brat, you didn't earn a thing in this game. You probably picked black mage for that very reason.

You don't play blm. You use and abuse it and lord it over others. No, don't make the mistake of thinking I'm jealous of the likes of you. What a disgrace of a black mage. The only reason I applaud a nerf like this is because it knocks god-complexers down where they belong. Unfortunately in your case you still keep the rewards of all that imbalance. Doesn't really matter. Everyone knows you don't deserve what you have. But the nerf will hopefully keep others from turning into disgraces like you.

I'd rather have what I have than be a joke job-user. As much as you'd like to think you have more than me, honestly...30 million is enough gil for me. It's unfortunate that all the black mages that I associate with...the people worth a dime who play black mage...are paying for what a few losers have created.

Actually pere, you do sound jealous. If Blm is to be nerfed, it will not be beacause of Odon, it will be because people like you whined about a perceived imbalance. That's all it really is too, whinning. That fact is, for every BC that Blms can do as a manaburn, there are 2-3 NMs that you as a Thf can solo, that I cannot. ...

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The Black Mages have been way too strong ever since we released the game, and we've been trying to make them weaker. But as you know, players always find creative ways to get around this. But as for what we're going to do in the future, we're planning to continue to look to those Black Mages and continue to adjust them.


--Hiromichi Tanaka, FFXI producer
August, 2005

You just can't read, can you? Because everyone else whines? Keep telling yourself that. You've been TOLD otherwise. By the developers. Also, about the only thing I WOULD solo that you can't is some POS NM that drops quake once every 50 kills. Tried it, but you know, there's just nothing quite like stealing people's kindred seals for profit while brainwashing them into believing that they're not good enough to do it without you.

It would not only hurt the Blms, but everyone that plays the game.
Said the brat rangers right before their nerf. Seen this, been there, read that. Didn't really work out for them, now did it? Did sky fall? Did we take it back? Here's a really novel idea now that you're concerned about everyone else succeeding. How about thinking about others BEFORE the dev. team threatens to nerf you instead of whipping out concern for your fellow man AFTER you've stepped on them and turned your nose up for 10 months? Now that it's time to pay the piper for what you've done in the game, suddenly it's about helping everyone else. Funny...I don't remember getting an invite when my flag was up. Who are you helping? The poor soul meleers in your shell? Are they below you, and are you telling them this? We aren't hurt and need HELP. We have challenge and need ALLIES. You can't not sound elitist and stuck up if you tried. Talk about totally affected and drunk on blm...

Maybe they should nerf Thf next. I mean, take an evasion trait or two away, move Ni to 38 and severly hamper bloody and sleep bolts. I mean it's just not fair that a Thf can solo Cancer, and an abusive, overpowered Blm cannot! :roll:

And yet it's not like the producer of the game has let everyone know that people who play black mage can look forward to being debilitated because of the abuse of a few or anything...do you want me to quote him admitting that thieves need boosted, or do you want to continue living in your mog house where reality doesn't count? You're a blm...gg thinking blms don't need corrections. Have you ever in your life had an opinion that doesn't benefit you?
 
Blackchaoshero said:
trippy, you can get the chain BONUS on any mob, they just won't CONTINUE the chain... anyone ever notice exp chains on skill up EP mobs in cofffer parties? there aren't no EM's in sight... exp chain can be got by any mob (i think @@) but each different rating has a different time window before the chain doesn't carry on.. i'm going out on a limb and saying the window for low con mobs is very small..

If you are fighting DC and below, you will never see Exp Chain #1. DC breaks the chain usually. Now if you kill an EM>DC>EM the 2nd EM might chain with the first EM if you kill them fast enough. But the xp from a DC has no bearing on a chain at all.

Also, The Druw is right, Penta Thrust doesen't suck in SCs, but the skillchains it can be a part of do suck. It can start Transfixation or Detonation, and it can end Compression and Gravitation. Eww
 
Odon said:
Then once we do get 'nerfed' nothing will get done, I will laugh my ass off about how bitches like you fucked up the game and continue to make more money sitting on my ass.

I don't really care what you guys are fighting about....


...but SE doesn't nerf because of melee's whining.

Trippyhippy said:
Also, The Druw is right, Penta Thrust doesen't suck in SCs, but the skillchains it can be a part of do suck. It can start Transfixation or Detonation, and it can end Compression and Gravitation. Eww

Yep. S'why I'm waiting on Wheeling Thrust. All in all it's not a bad WS, because it ignores target's defense, and opens a Light Skillchain.

If you don't know what a Light Skillchain is, please do not invite me to your parties. <_<;;

Edit: Replying to Trippy, and address the general populous.
 
Pere, put aside your spite for me for a second. What good will come from a Blm nerf? Please answer with something other than your thoughts of knocking attitudes of superiority away. I'm talking actual game play. What are the benefits to the rest of the gaming community? At least with Rng, it allowed for more melee to become involved. In my opinion, they overnerfed Rng and I was hoping they would repair at least some of the damage with the last update, but that is another discussion.

As far as soloing NMs go, there are several at every level that you can solo, that I cannot. I mention Cancer, because I really want his sword for my dark, yet I have to ask a friend to take hours out of her time to help, and I dont really like doing that. There are many others as well.

As far as your KS con opinion goes, please don not direct it at me. I have only ever been on one such run, and it was setup by a Thf friend, not a Blm. It was only intended to be so the Thf could get a claw, but others showed to take advantage. While it was fun for a bit, 400k for 4 hours was hardly worth it.
 
Respect and inclusion of others who didn't pick the "right" jobs will come out of nerfing black mages. Demand for higher cooperativity will come. Higher tactics with more thought and more diversity will result. Better balance, simply put. It is NOT that black mages hold the **** together in this game as much as the more proud would like to believe. It's that people REFUSE to adapt when you can simply throw tarus at the problem. They will refuse to adapt until throwing tarus is not an option, and when it ceases to be an option, the game will improve for it. Not because it will get harder. Because we will adapt and fill the hole that stuck up black mages filled. We'll fill it with things other than privileged black mages.

It's exactly the same as rangers. Black mage mentality has infected every challenging situation in the game. Ouryu was a joke. Complete sissy, and we didn't freeze him once. But you NEEEEEEEDDDDD blms. The game is full of that. You NEEEEDDDD blms for Kindred seal wins. You NEEEDDDDD blms to destroy dynamis bastok. You nEEEDDDDD them.

No, you really don't. Heck, I know you don't because blms are often too busy playing with each other to play with the rest of us. And the rest of us do just fine. Am I jealous? No, you don't see me leveling black mage to make use of imbalance. You see me scrapping with the other castaways in pickup parties. Being an untouchable is just fine by me.

So nerf them. While I'm not tired of being second class, others are. And even if they aren't, it's more than simply being included. The developers admit it--this isn't how they want the game played. It's not right. The rest of us aren't weak. Right now we just get excluded because someone's got too much power to ignore. At this poing nerfing is the only way to prove that black mages are not your saviors. They're just your allies. It's the only way because people just can't handle imbalance without abusing it.

I'm just a thief. I've heard that how many times now? Thirty? Fifty? It's not that I'm useless--far from it. When they're off in their selective parties, I'm busting balls in pickup parties for great xp without their help. You can't get 7500 xp an hour with a thf and drg in the pt...that's what they tell me. THEY tell ME that a thief can't do that, when I just told them I did. It's brainwashing, plain and simple. People are completely dependent on the imbalanced for no reason.

I do just fine, thanks. We all do just fine without black mages holding our hands. If it takes nerfing of the most powerful job to prove that the rest of us do just fine, then so be it. 6 blms do greatEST? Gee, doesn't really matter when we do great too...we just win 2 minutes after they do. When did 2 minutes become "need"? I'll tell you when...when anal retentives run the game and "best" is all they think about. I'm not jealous, because I won't warp my standards. "Good" is just that...I'll take good. I don't need optimal, because I'm competent enough with good.

If you need the "best" to succeed in this game you're an incompetent fool. Kids need 5 rangers to get good xp. Morons need 4 blms. If you want to gerber your way to success in this game, maybe it's about time someone weened you off it. Because an 18 year old still eating baby food is sad. Why do you think people laugh at those who won DM with black mages? Ditch the gerber and play like a man, pansies. If you don't WANT to, sooner or later someone is going to MAKE you for your own good.
 
Peregrine said:
You can't get 7500 xp an hour with a thf and drg in the pt...that's what they tell me.

We totally can. DRG+THF=Fun
 
What all you powerfull, nuking BLMs fail to forget though is that any WHM can kick your ass. Silence then club your pansy asses to death.

WHM 4tw PWNED pu55y5
 
Shaunessy said:
What all you powerfull, nuking BLMs fail to forget though is that any WHM can kick your ass. Silence then club your pansy asses to death.

WHM 4tw PWNED pu55y5

Echo drops..?
 
Wow, what's all this hate for? You don't seem to complain about BLM's power when you need it to help you defeat something.
 
Mirewen said:
Wow, what's all this hate for? You don't seem to complain about BLM's power when you need it to help you defeat something.

"Help" is what stuckup black mages convince themselves that they are, and "need" is what they like to claim that they fill. You've got the wrong person if you think I suck up to black mages. I really don't associate with those kinds of blms who think I "need" their "help." **** you, stay in Jeuno you self-righteous god-complexer. We'll do it without your "help" because all we needed was an ally. You won't see me begging a pack of blms to help me do something. There are plenty of ones who recognize that they're not FEMA relief agents coming in and saving the game. Those are the blms who will pay for the nerf, not the ones who would say something as self-righeous as, "You don't complain when I kill things for you." No, I don't. You don't even make it into my circles if you're the kind of blm who says something stupid like that. When we're in a xp party, the blm will parse 200 damage per fight more than I do. When we're in dynamis yes they have a role, but not if I mess up and wipe every last one of them. Not if the camp can't handle monks. Not if there's no tank left alive. Not if it takes more than 3 minutes to kill one mob.

I didn't take black mages to Ouryu. I don't take a 12 pack of black mages into Dynamis. I don't ask for 3 black mages for BC runs. I don't level black mage for the power, I don't invite them for the power, and I don't associate with those who do. I invite black mages because it would be nice to have a black mage sometimes. They do things. Nice things. I treat black mages as equals, not as crutches. So no. I don't seem to complain about inviting black mages because I don't complain about inviting DRAGOONS.

When's the last time YOU invited a dragoon for their "help"? Thought so.
 
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