/brd MPK-ers, yes you Amidamaru

[Tristam Green]

It's not even about campaign to me; it's about all the gimp players that actually level their characters /brd in campaign. If you thought ToAU made people lazy, well, campaign has dug down into another rock layer of lame.

ugh, forgive the double post.

I had considered actively leveling my BLM via campaign spam, but only for a split second, after which I took a shower. I'll only go out to cap my exp on Black Mage after I've capped Elemental Magic via my exp static, and I can go skillup Enfeebling Magic in Sea at any time.

The scenario that Silenus has shown disgusts me to no end. I can understand, say, a 75 Thief with capped skills/merits going out to level his Dancer in campaign, purely by virtue that they are similar in skills.

However, watching a fully-merited 75 PLD then going out to level, say, NIN or RNG or something in a battle system sans skill ups, is just ridiculous.

 

[Miruyasha]

However, watching a fully-merited 75 PLD then going out to level, say, NIN or RNG or something in a battle system sans skill ups, is just ridiculous.

It's only sans skill ups when you have tags on. The fortifications are about lvl 50, and if you attack stuff w/o tags on you can skill up off it. Of course, the risk of dying and losing xp isn't really worth it but still. At least Besieged lets you skill up in a system like Campaign does.

 

[Tristam Green]

It's only sans skill ups when you have tags on. The fortifications are about lvl 50, and if you attack stuff w/o tags on you can skill up off it. Of course, the risk of dying and losing xp isn't really worth it but still. At least Besieged lets you skill up in a system like Campaign does.

Yes, but I'm sure you get my point.

 

[Miruyasha]

I do.

It appears sandy has a few freelances now. Prolly Dalzakk or something. That's another way people can be pro-active in helping out. Try to recruit freelances. I know basty and windy owned most of them and when they'd appear in a fight they'd just rape. There's abundant info on what they do and how to recruit them.

 

[Lavi]

You HAVE to be kidding...

Before anything else, go back and read the PREVIOUS posts I made in this very thread. ALL previous posts. Come back to the one you quoted after that. Tell me if you think it was sarcastic or not. You very obviously missed that it was sarcastic. ROFL.

Given that it was blatantly sarcastic, and totally the opposite from anything else I said in this thread, if you still have a problem with what I said as a joke, for whatever reason, it is indeed YOUR problem and you can kindly go fuck yourself. If anything I agree with the nature of where you are coming from in regards to contributing and earning your keep. God knows I contribute to winning battles. Do I take it as seriously as you do? Apparently not. Looks like that's a good thing. At least check your attitude before misunderstanding. Fly off the handle much?

I didn't read your previous replies, nor did I care to. The same crap been said in this thread from the first page and to the last page, you just happened to be on the last page I read. I've had two idiots feel it's completely within their right to try to MPK me and I believe both have been banned. But good for them, they worked hard for that banning...

Regardless, your statement whether in jest or not, summed up the feelings of the bitter group who think it's their right to police the few who take a game less than seriously. Sure, it's the lazy method, but it hurts no one. If people want to retake zones, they have ample opportunity to do it themselves unhindered by anyone, but instead, they pass the blame on the /BRD because they cannot do it themselves.

Lavi if you knew anything about taking back zones you'd know that'd be a group effort a few of us have tried to kill transporters and put bombs in e ronafure S while it's under attack to speed up retreats from orc forces, but really without continual effort(read: only takes 20mins for those fort points to be jacked back up) the damage done is easily repaired.

I'm not saying the game isn't broken, SE admits as much and will adjust it and /BRD (in actuality, everyone) in the next update. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that 90% of the people bitching and MPKing /BRD players do nothing to help retake zones. How do I know? I see all those tards shouting about /BRD and not one of them leaves the campaign tag NPC when campaign ends nor outposts to any other zone. But those people are really contributing, right?

 

[Miruyasha]

I see all those tards shouting about /BRD and not one of them leaves the campaign tag NPC when campaign ends nor outposts to any other zone. But those people are really contributing, right?

Um...the people who /brd ARE the ones who don't leave the C.A. after a battle ends. I'll see the same people in the same zones singing their ass off during a fight, but once it ends, they just sit there. So...wtf are you talking about?

 

[Tim Wakefield]

Yes that was obviously made by very skilled hands in MS Paint. The detail on the trees and the trumpet/axe made me shed a slight tear.

I'm the best sig maker everrrr.

 

[Jeska]

Um...the people who /brd ARE the ones who don't leave the C.A. after a battle ends. I'll see the same people in the same zones singing their ass off during a fight, but once it ends, they just sit there. So...wtf are you talking about?

Worse still in all the areas where we dont have control I see the same bard bots traveling around each battle, hiding far away from the action by the tags npc. Talk about a musical tour.

 

[Miruyasha]

Worse still in all the areas where we dont have control I see the same bard bots traveling around each battle, hiding far away from the action by the tags npc. Talk about a musical tour.

In areas where you don't have control, the C.A.'s are usually right where you come out after teleing there. In Rolanberry the fucking C.A. is RIGHT THERE, same for Pashhow...and Grauber...and N.gust...

 

[Bluefrost]

I'm not saying the game isn't broken, SE admits as much and will adjust it and /BRD (in actuality, everyone) in the next update. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that 90% of the people bitching and MPKing /BRD players do nothing to help retake zones. How do I know? I see all those tards shouting about /BRD and not one of them leaves the campaign tag NPC when campaign ends nor outposts to any other zone. But those people are really contributing, right?

I contribute quite a lot. I did many (different) Campaign Ops. I would camp out at the Jugner/Ronfaure zone for hours and just kill the transporters. I killed the Imps and some of the Orcs by myself when there was no Campaign.

It's quite disheartening to see 75WHM/10BRD singing at the C.A. when there are a total of 3 people fighting and trying to get the area back into San d'Orian control.

I never /shouted about /BRD. If you're /BRD singing while there are no monsters, great. But I feel once the monsters start coming in, make an effort to kill them. I think a lot of people wouldn't be so pissed if that were the case.

 

[Sneakypants]

I didn't read your previous replies, nor did I care to. The same crap been said in this thread from the first page and to the last page, you just happened to be on the last page I read. I've had two idiots feel it's completely within their right to try to MPK me and I believe both have been banned. But good for them, they worked hard for that banning...

Regardless, your statement whether in jest or not, summed up the feelings of the bitter group who think it's their right to police the few who take a game less than seriously. Sure, it's the lazy method, but it hurts no one. If people want to retake zones, they have ample opportunity to do it themselves unhindered by anyone, but instead, they pass the blame on the /BRD because they cannot do it themselves.

Considering you did not actually reread anything I wrote, you wouldn't know that there's a difference between my posts and those that are seemingly policing. Yet, you feel it's ok to just lump everyone into this group of "bitter" people. While I find that high level /BRD that do literally nothing but sit there spamming songs to be a waste of space, I also wouldn't tell them how to play. At the same time, if they get MPKed, so be it. Being that worthless is deserving of MPK. Let's face it, they could get out of the way and avoid MPK if they were paying some kind of attention at all. The fact that it is so easy to MPK them proves they are mostly asleep at the wheel.

Why do you say that people blame /BRD for the lack of retaking zones? I really don't see much of that at all. And again, that's not what I said, but you don't care to check up on that, despite that it's been pointed out. You only care to make assumptions and judgements without basis. Those that blame /BRD for the inability to retake zones are ridiculous. It is a fact that /BRDs that sing @ the arbiter are completely worthless, however. You're right, though, about the people that blame /BRDs being unable to retake zones on their own. Then again, you can't retake a zone on your own, and neither can anyone else.

 

[Miruyasha]

I never /shouted about /BRD. If you're /BRD singing while there are no monsters, great. But I feel once the monsters start coming in, make an effort to kill them. I think a lot of people wouldn't be so pissed if that were the case.

QFT.

As I said, areas where you don't have control you come out by the tags NPC. The ppl /brd can sing their hearts out after a battle, w/e. When you see a Transporter come RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU, try to kill it. It takes one hit from behind b4 it dies. Seriously, how hard is it to attack ONCE from behind?

 

[Princemercury]

Thinking twice to this subject... it's no different than getting power leveled...

Easy, repetitive actions resulting gain in experience points...

 

[ummhi]

I was going to post some stuff about this. But, I decided not to. My feelings on the subject: Taking this way to seriously, kind of blowing it out of proportion, but to each his own.

 

[motley]

I disagree that it is the same as powerleveling.

Cooperation is strongly encouraged in this game, theres a reason you cant get anything of signifigance done on your own.

Powerleveling is the use of a helper to increase the xp yield, aside from hwo you feel about it its 1 person aiding 6 and all the while not hurting the progress of anyone else.

SE has stated several times that exploitation of the games features to get ahead is wrong, i believe their way of saying it is "Abuse of a known exploit" (siren sands boat, AV wall clipping). People have been disciplined for it in the passed and these then patches took care of them. /brd'ing falls into more of a gray area but its pretty much the same thing.

I haven't done any MPKing of /brds yet (failed on saintgermain) but i will say this, when i get aggro i cant handle on THF i flee and exit the zone via tele, lord help you if youre standing there looking pretty singing songs but it is not intentional.

 

[Neisan]

List of people you have to blame if you stand in the middle of a firefight (Campaign) and get shot:

 

[Princemercury]

I disagree that it is the same as powerleveling.

Cooperation is strongly encouraged in this game, theres a reason you cant get anything of signifigance done on your own.

Powerleveling is the use of a helper to increase the xp yield, aside from hwo you feel about it its 1 person aiding 6 and all the while not hurting the progress of anyone else.

SE has stated several times that exploitation of the games features to get ahead is wrong, i believe their way of saying it is "Abuse of a known exploit" (siren sands boat, AV wall clipping). People have been disciplined for it in the passed and these then patches took care of them. /brd'ing falls into more of a gray area but its pretty much the same thing.

I haven't done any MPKing of /brds yet (failed on saintgermain) but i will say this, when i get aggro i cant handle on THF i flee and exit the zone via tele, lord help you if youre standing there looking pretty singing songs but it is not intentional.

BRD spam = xp in campaign areas.
PL = xp in conquest / aht areas....?

 

[Princemercury]

nm that came out a bit incomplete...

I meant you get xp by spamming XXXXX to each their own.

PLing is just 1 person spamming XXXXX to help 6~ people..

Doesn't really matter where you do it, I understand the point of this flame however, that they should really be doing more, since "they're already there".

 

[Hexx]

nm that came out a bit incomplete...

I meant you get xp by spamming XXXXX to each their own.

PLing is just 1 person spamming XXXXX to help 6~ people..

Doesn't really matter where you do it, I understand the point of this flame however, that they should really be doing more, since "they're already there".

Dont you see the difference here? As /brd youre only helping YOURSELF but when you are PLing you are helping out a GROUP of people. /BRDs will bitch and moan that they arent causing harm to anyone, but they seem to forget that deaths caused by inaction are the same as if they were to be active participants in that death.

I was doing Campaign today in the morning on my WAR and i pulled a quadav over by the arbiter in Grauberg so that just in case I died, I would be easily viewed by anyone who warped in and therefor get a raise. I get an angry tell from a taru named Vintaru saying that MPKing is against the user agreement and that if he gets MPKed by me, he will contact a GM. I was like "WTF?" I didnt come here to MPK you, hell I didnt even know you were /BRD until i did a /sea all Vintaru to check. Now that I know I hope I die and that you die as well after i go down. :biggrin: He then proceeds to explain to me how /BRDing nets you more exp than actually participating, so im like "Hmmm sit there on my ass spamming song macros, or going out and beating up some shit as WAR, what sounds more fun.....hmmmm....thanks but no thanks.

I mean shit, how lazy do you have to be that even in a video game you cant put any effort into doing something? Shit, you must be the laziest person on earth if a few button presses are too much labor for you sheesh.

 

[Auron X]

The reason that sandy is getting taken over is because it never stops being under attack. There was just a campaign battle that lasted for 5 1/2 hours with shadowhand coming 3x, alpha gnoles 2x, shadoweye 3x, warmachine...pretty much everything came atleast once. There weren't that many and there were too many people who chose to fight instead of raise the countless dead or just be lazy and /brd. It's kinda hard to do helpful campaign ops when your city is under attack nonstop.