Bush to Urge Congress to Lift Restrictions on Oil Drilling

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And it's about friggin time. You guys think it will work? I'll bet it doesn't go through, I'm certain those Democrats will do everything they can to block the republicans from going out on a relatively high note.

Here is one of the articles:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aFqxrTNf_DsI&refer=home


But I'm still crossing my fingers, this would give the economy the much needed boost it needs.
 
Awesome. So as it turns out, in 1990 President George H. W. Bush signed an Executive Order to restrict coastal exploration of oil, not drilling. And today, from what I hear on Neal Boortz, our current president, although he's going to stand in front congress and "ask" that they end restrictions on coastal drilling, he's not going to take any executive action to help it go along... like you know... repealing that old executive order that his father put in place... so it makes him a gigantic hypocrite, doesn't it?

So yeah, nevermind, it's all political lip service. I hate politicians. It's all one unending circle jerk... ugh.
 
Anybody else just listen to Bush butcher his speech? lol

He was did have some pretty sharp thorns for the Democrats though. I was impressed.
 
Had to run out of the office during his speech so I didn't hear it. Boortz isn't on the radio here so if I am not at my computer I don't hear it.
 
Boortz broadcasts right from ATL, so I get to listen to him from 8:30am to 1:00pm.
 
Awesome. So as it turns out, in 1990 President George H. W. Bush signed an Executive Order to restrict coastal exploration of oil, not drilling. And today, from what I hear on Neal Boortz, our current president, although he's going to stand in front congress and "ask" that they end restrictions on coastal drilling, he's not going to take any executive action to help it go along... like you know... repealing that old executive order that his father put in place... so it makes him a gigantic hypocrite, doesn't it?

So yeah, nevermind, it's all political lip service. I hate politicians. It's all one unending circle jerk... ugh.

You seem surprised. Don't forget that the Bushes are in the hip pockets of all the major oil companies and scarcity = higher prices = greater oil company profits. Like you said, it's all lip service and that's all it's ever been with regards to helping out the average person with rising gas prices.
 
I for one have to agree with obama, "there is no evidence that lifting the ban on oil drilling would provide relief to consumers. ``This is not something that is going to give relief now, and it's not a long-term solution,''

Also have to agree that a oil rig sitting of the coast and possibility for another oil catastrophe is not so settling, and fact they want to open a wildlife persevere for it is not so pleasing either.
 
I for one have to agree with obama, "there is no evidence that lifting the ban on oil drilling would provide relief to consumers. ``This is not something that is going to give relief now, and it's not a long-term solution,''

Also have to agree that a oil rig sitting of the coast and possibility for another oil catastrophe is not so settling, and fact they want to open a wildlife persevere for it is not so pleasing either.

I'll go ahead and provide rebuttles for both of these points.

The main reason that oil cost is high, is for one: the worldwide demand for it has increased, so yes, a gradual increase in the price of oil is to be expected. But the sharp increase we have seen over these last few months in unheard of, which leads me to my next reason: The Saudi royalty believe that we, as americans and abroad, don't have to will to become subsistant on our own, so by jacking up the price of oil they are only lining thier own pockets, preying on our unwillingness to provide for ourselves. Yes, the price of oil in Saudi Arabia is what... under 50 cents? (It's somewhere around there.) If America in specific took a solid stand about opening up drilling in places like ANWAR and the coastal Florida region, along with the oil shale in the mid west, it might send a sign to the Saudis, who surely don't want to lose market share in the North America region, that we as a country WOULD in fact stand up and fend for ourselves if pushed too far, and not just roll over and take these rediculous prices in the anal cavity. So yes, they would indeed lower prices to keep thier market share.

Is it a long term solution? Of course not, but it certaily would be a decent stall since Detroit is finally getting the point and pulling those damn heavy tanks off the road. And believe me, us sitting on our hands while businesses all over the country are shutting down and people losing thier houses everywhere isn't going to solve the problem either. Democrats won't give you a solution, but they sure as hell will tell you what you CAN'T do to fix the problems. (Obama is a believer in socialism, he wants to destroy our free market, but I'll get into that on some other topic...)



To your other point about oil rig catastrophies, I'll make one concise point here. Out of all of the rigs setup in the Gulf of Mexico, not one single rig had any significant oil seepage or contaminates of any kind escape into the Gulf during Hurricane Katrina. NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT. The last catastrophy to impact the environment on any scale due to an oil excavating incident was I believe back in the 70's, you may correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's what I read, and if you believe they are using the same technology now as they were 40 years ago, you are flat out wrong. So the environment impact of off shore oil rigs is so minimal, it shouldn't even be counted anymore, and the idea is ludicrous.


As far as the wildlife reserve ANWAR, they only want to open up a very small fraction (likened to a period on a whole sheet of paper) so the idea that they will be disturbing much wildlife up there in the arctic circle on that small amount of land is laughable.



Many people in this country are victims of disinformation provided by the libral media and the extremists on the left. Check your facts.
 
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Well disinformation goes both ways from both parties. Though nice rebuttal I could see your points. While opening some new oil rigs may help the, real solution is find alternative fuels. Unfortunately they won't do that because government is run by oil tycoons.
 
Well disinformation goes both ways from both parties. Though nice rebuttal I could see your points. While opening some new oil rigs may help the, real solution is find alternative fuels. Unfortunately they won't do that because government is run by oil tycoons.

Not only that but do you honestly think that if there was a viable alternative brought up that it would be in place in even 10 years? Oil is the infrastructure that we are built on as an industrial and commercial society. There are millions of jobs that depend on gas stations being open, what happens if even a fraction of those who drive/transport switched to hydrogen fuel cell cars that only need distilled water to run? Or electric cars that can be charged at home?

Also, I don't think the cost per barrel justifies this drastic gouge in pricing so rapidly. I think that oil companies are lining *their* pockets on the assumption that it's the middle east that is fucking us over. Shell and Mobil recorded record breaking profits in the past fiscal year. That's not just record braking income, but record breaking profits. That means that even though they spent more per barrel, they profited more per barrel than ever before. This is a product of a free market, but there should be government regulation on anything like this to keep prices in the interest of the national economy.
 
Well disinformation goes both ways from both parties. Though nice rebuttal I could see your points. While opening some new oil rigs may help the, real solution is find alternative fuels. Unfortunately they won't do that because government is run by oil tycoons.


I actually agree with this. Well put hellstorm.
 
I'll go ahead and provide rebuttles for both of these points.

The main reason that oil cost is high, is for one: the worldwide demand for it has increased, so yes, a gradual increase in the price of oil is to be expected. But the sharp increase we have seen over these last few months in unheard of, which leads me to my next reason: The Saudi royalty believe that we, as americans and abroad, don't have to will to become subsistant on our own, so by jacking up the price of oil they are only lining thier own pockets, preying on our unwillingness to provide for ourselves. Yes, the price of oil in Saudi Arabia is what... under 50 cents? (It's somewhere around there.) If America in specific took a solid stand about opening up drilling in places like ANWAR and the coastal Florida region, along with the oil shale in the mid west, it might send a sign to the Saudis, who surely don't want to lose market share in the North America region, that we as a country WOULD in fact stand up and fend for ourselves if pushed too far, and not just roll over and take these rediculous prices in the anal cavity. So yes, they would indeed lower prices to keep thier market share.

There is a lot more to it than that.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/markets/oil/?postversion=2008061815

That's a big part of it, but...

Do you know who the #1 supplier of crude oil used in US refineries is? Canada.

Here is the list:

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil

What?!?!? only 3 countries from the middle east?

In 2004, United States refineries produced over 90 percent of the gasoline used in the United States. Although the United States is the world’s third largest crude oil producer, less than 40 percent of the crude oil used by U.S. refineries was produced in the United States. Net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) account for 58 percent of our total petroleum consumption. About 50 percent of our petroleum imports are from countries in the Western Hemisphere, with 19 percent from the Persian Gulf, and 18 percent from Africa and 13 percent from other regions

Is it a long term solution? Of course not, but it certaily would be a decent stall since Detroit is finally getting the point and pulling those damn heavy tanks off the road. And believe me, us sitting on our hands while businesses all over the country are shutting down and people losing thier houses everywhere isn't going to solve the problem either. Democrats won't give you a solution, but they sure as hell will tell you what you CAN'T do to fix the problems. (Obama is a believer in socialism, he wants to destroy our free market, but I'll get into that on some other topic...)

Bush said opening federal lands off the U.S. coast -- where oil drilling has been banned by both a presidential executive order and a congressional moratorium -- could yield about 18 billion barrels of oil.

That would meet current U.S. consumption for about 2 1/2 years, but it would likely take a decade or more to find the oil and produce it.

To your other point about oil rig catastrophies, I'll make one concise point here. Out of all of the rigs setup in the Gulf of Mexico, not one single rig had any significant oil seepage or contaminates of any kind escape into the Gulf during Hurricane Katrina. NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT. The last catastrophy to impact the environment on any scale due to an oil excavating incident was I believe back in the 70's, you may correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's what I read, and if you believe they are using the same technology now as they were 40 years ago, you are flat out wrong. So the environment impact of off shore oil rigs is so minimal, it shouldn't even be counted anymore, and the idea is ludicrous.

Exxon Valdez is the worst oil spill in US history. That was in 1989. Almost 20 years later, Exxon still won't pay the $2.5 Billion they were order to pay. As a matter of fact, now the Supreme Court has agreed to hear Exxon try to explain why it shouldn't pay. Yet the High Court won't hear anything from anyone as far reasons why the award should be restored to the full $5 billion that a jury of peers decided was necessary to punish the corporate giant back in 1994.

As far as the wildlife reserve ANWAR, they only want to open up a very small fraction (likened to a period on a whole sheet of paper) so the idea that they will be disturbing much wildlife up there in the arctic circle on that small amount of land is laughable.

Many people in this country are victims of disinformation provided by the libral media and the extremists on the left. Check your facts.

You know, the republican presidential nominee, John McCain, is on the side of "liberal media and the extremists on the left".

McCain has been criticized by some Republicans for not supporting oil exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska and off Florida. On Monday (June 16, 2008), he stuck to his opposition to drilling in the ANWR but suggested he might be open to exploration in other places.

"I believe that ANWR is a pristine area," he said. "But I also believe that lifting the moratoria from offshore drilling or oil and natural gas exploration is something that we place as a very high priority."

Now I have to say something about the "liberal media". There isn't one.

There are 2 groups, the mainstream media, which attempts to be objective, and the right-wing media, which does not. The mainstream media does not have a liberal bias, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, The New York Times, The Washington Post, TIME, Newsweek, and the rest at least try to be fair. The mainstream media do have biases toward sensationalism, the easy story, and soft news. The right wing media, including Fox News, The Washington Times, and the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal, are not interested in conveying the truth. They exist to further the cause of American conservatism by advancing stories and themes that work to the benefit of conservatives and to the detriment of liberals.

The claim of media "liberal bias" is a myth used by conservative politicians. Propagating this myth serves three functions. First, it creates reluctance among mainstream media outlets to cover issues that conservatives don't want them to, for fear that they will be accused of having a liberal bias. Second, it allows conservatives to deny or dismiss reports in the mainstream media, regardless of whether they are true, because they have discredited the source already. Third, attacking the liberal media can be effective at increasing conservative voter turnout.

I will say that many members of the media are quite liberal. However, that doesn't neccesarily mean there is liberal bias. That means that the people who go all over the world and see what is actually happening with thier own 2 eyes are liberal. The people that have the most experience with happeneing around the globe are liberal.

But still, the people that own these media outlets are not. Ultimatly, they are the ones that make decisions about what gets reported and what doesn't.

I would also point at stories where the "liberal media" criticizes liberals.

Here is a link to a story where the Boston Globe asserts that democrats want things to go bad in Iraq.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ed...s/2007/08/29/good_news_but_not_for_democrats/

Here is a link to a page that that explains How the Left has ENSURED the destruction of the Black Community, and how republicans are the champions of minorities.
http://www.nodnc.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=list_pages_categories&cid=5

Here is a CBSnews article about Obama not letting muslims sit behind him on tv.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/18/politics/politico/main4191084.shtml

I would go on, but I just got a phone call and I have to leave. But yeah. That.
 
Also, I don't think the cost per barrel justifies this drastic gouge in pricing so rapidly. I think that oil companies are lining *their* pockets on the assumption that it's the middle east that is fucking us over. Shell and Mobil recorded record breaking profits in the past fiscal year. That's not just record braking income, but record breaking profits. That means that even though they spent more per barrel, they profited more per barrel than ever before. This is a product of a free market, but there should be government regulation on anything like this to keep prices in the interest of the national economy.

It's because they're raising prices on gasoline thats already been made from oil that was bought and refined months ago. So they're taking off overhead from selling oil that was bought when gas was in the early $3/gal range, and turning around to sell it instantly for $4+/gal.

The gas situation isn't great, but it's no where bad enough that we're using it as soon as we get it.
 
Bush doing a good thing? D: zomg at least, potentially good for our economy :P possibly bad to the environment hmm
 
Finally.

You should have done this a year a go, Mr. President.
 
Keep the drilling and exploration bans, Keep the fuel prices high.

It's time for everyone to be using fuel efficient, and environmentally friendly cars anyway. The days of cheap fuel are long gone and it's about time.

And it's time to put money into researching alternative fuels. Your not going to get that any other way than raising prices and reinvestment.
 
I'll go ahead and provide rebuttles for both of these points.

The main reason that oil cost is high, is for one: the worldwide demand for it has increased, so yes, a gradual increase in the price of oil is to be expected. But the sharp increase we have seen over these last few months in unheard of, which leads me to my next reason: The Saudi royalty believe that we, as americans and abroad, don't have to will to become subsistant on our own, so by jacking up the price of oil they are only lining thier own pockets, preying on our unwillingness to provide for ourselves. Yes, the price of oil in Saudi Arabia is what... under 50 cents? (It's somewhere around there.) If America in specific took a solid stand about opening up drilling in places like ANWAR and the coastal Florida region, along with the oil shale in the mid west, it might send a sign to the Saudis, who surely don't want to lose market share in the North America region, that we as a country WOULD in fact stand up and fend for ourselves if pushed too far, and not just roll over and take these rediculous prices in the anal cavity. So yes, they would indeed lower prices to keep thier market share.

Is it a long term solution? Of course not, but it certaily would be a decent stall since Detroit is finally getting the point and pulling those damn heavy tanks off the road. And believe me, us sitting on our hands while businesses all over the country are shutting down and people losing thier houses everywhere isn't going to solve the problem either. Democrats won't give you a solution, but they sure as hell will tell you what you CAN'T do to fix the problems. (Obama is a believer in socialism, he wants to destroy our free market, but I'll get into that on some other topic...)



To your other point about oil rig catastrophies, I'll make one concise point here. Out of all of the rigs setup in the Gulf of Mexico, not one single rig had any significant oil seepage or contaminates of any kind escape into the Gulf during Hurricane Katrina. NOT ONE SINGLE INCIDENT. The last catastrophy to impact the environment on any scale due to an oil excavating incident was I believe back in the 70's, you may correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that's what I read, and if you believe they are using the same technology now as they were 40 years ago, you are flat out wrong. So the environment impact of off shore oil rigs is so minimal, it shouldn't even be counted anymore, and the idea is ludicrous.


As far as the wildlife reserve ANWAR, they only want to open up a very small fraction (likened to a period on a whole sheet of paper) so the idea that they will be disturbing much wildlife up there in the arctic circle on that small amount of land is laughable.



Many people in this country are victims of disinformation provided by the libral media and the extremists on the left. Check your facts.


I LOLed.

1st if they open up ANWAR we will not see a decrease in cost of gas for 5 years.Of how the cost of the dollar is standing in the global market we will see maybe a decrease of 3.5 cents a gallon cheaper. I say no to ANWAR; if u can't afford 3.5 cents take a bus.

Second: The reason gas is so high is for the failed policy's of this administration. Our dollar is the weakest its been in many many years. You kids can forget about the USA being the number 1 world power. China, and the Eu as a whole are ahead of as of now. The gas prices are high because of the very weak dollar, Iraq is not helping with the weakness of the dollar, neither is the housing market, Interest rates, and the Credit Crisis that we have now.

Third: Maybe when Americans learn how to conserve they will learn how to deal with high gas cost. I mean come on Europe is what 8+ dollars a gallon, Granted they have public transportation. If they can do it i think we can.

Fourth: I think we need to put more energy into using Hydrogen or even using water as a fuel. I mean come on we made the Hydrogen bomb i think we can invest in making a new fuel.


I will add more tomorrow, i will also give you guys a citation Page if requested
 
I agree we need to explore alternative fuels, but we also need to use the ones we have but are scared off. Nuclear power is clean and abundant. Countries in europe have been running public transportation off of nuclear power for some time now. We are just so intimidated by the stigmas of the word 'nuclear', that we have stopped advancement. More people have been killed globally by windmill accidents than nuclear plant incidences in the last 50 years.
 
I second the nuclear power option. Unfortunately, this is the United States. Rationality does not always hold sway, which is why we have Intelligent Design and the anti-vaccination schmucks. Good luck convincing them they won't have glow-in-the-dark flipper babies.
 
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