Byrnie vs. Gallant Surcoat

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Excim

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Well I've reached level 60, and since a few weeks ago I've been convinced I should XP with a Byrnie. But now, I'm not so sure. So here I am, level 60, with G~3 done, and I refuse to level because I have aquired niether of these pieces of armour.

So tell me what you think... Have someone help and make me a Byrnie (Or course I will pay) or have someone help me get my Zvahl Coffer key... then have help killing the Orcish NM's.

I've got the money for the Byrnie already. But... I'm just not sure. Here:

Byrnie.jpg


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Compare! :P
 
Both are nearly equal. Given a choice I would say go for the pld af, it completes the look. :wink:
 
Feel like spending money? Get the Byrnie. Either way, they are nearly equal as Rones said.
 
Forgot about the +2enimity on the af. Just for that I would say go af. All that +enimity on pld af adds up. I really appreciate my -enimity from whm af and errant gear.
 
Hmmm.... maybe I'll go ahead and get the Byrnie so I can keep XP'ing... and not have to wait for some kind soul to help me get my Surcoat. :cry:
 
Mithracat said:
No LS help? o_O
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Not when you are normally the "help" in the LS. If that means anything. :D

Our highest level atm is 63 DRK, but he's AFK all the time. Other than that, there is like 5 of us at level 60 or so. But coordinating everyone to go do the same thing is very difficult, so I ask for outside help. :)
 
Ahhh, I see. Well hope you get the people to help you with your Surcoat~ :D
 
I'd say the AF because:

AF pros:
A) +1 more VIT
B) 1 more DEF
C) +5 Divine Magic helps with Flash hate
D) +2 Enmity and no -3 CHR (CHR effects Voke, rumored~)
E) Byrnie has -3 MND which lessens Cure hate
F) Byrnie has -3 AGI which makes you dodge less

Byrnie pros:
A) 5 more HP
B) STR and ATT help with melee hate
C) Looks leet :P
D) only 1 less VIT
 
They're pretty close to equal, I think. The only real benefit the surcoat has is the +2 Emnity, but the extra damage offered by the byrnie offsets that a bit.

However, you could probably hire someone to find you a key, coffer, and enough people to kill the NMs for the quest for less than the cost of the byrnie. But then again, you can't sell the surcoat after you're done with it.
 
Lemme know when Excim and ill help out! Go with the AF man...its better...you arent supposed to be doing damage, you are supposed to take it...with a smile :) .

Fae
 
Byrnie +1 is the only real equal to surcoat.. if you want to pay the cash sure, but that's kinda stupid.
 
Thanks for replying. Yeah, I think the AF Surcoat is the way to go. I guess I just wanted to believe I could stand out from all of the "other" Paladins, as great as they may be! :)

Is that really so wrong? *sigh* :?
 
a pld i had with a byrnie stomped any onther pld i've ever had... he did damg closer to par with the other melees and held hate just as well for it... and if you really wanna be cool get it and do ballista with it... all the 1337 ballista pld's do pld/nin with a byrnie and dual swords... motoko, fayt, setter, junn....
 
I'd go with the AF, I've pulled hate off of pld's easily when they weren't wearing +enmity gear. Also, you'll want to get the surcoat anyways, since a lot of pld's wear that for endgame activities anyways.
 
In most cases Attk+20 and +3 STR > +2 Emnity in my opinion.

But since PLD hit like sissy girls the +2 Emnity might be a better option with your AF.

Oh and good luck getting it crafted, unless I am mistaken the Brynie takes a Behemoth leather which you will need the hide for.

The hide to even make the leather is over 3 million gil....

I just don't get it, maybe for the mantle is why the hide is so 'spensive but I can't see why anyone would want to lose THAT type of gil even on the chance of a HQ Brynie.
 
Yeah, AF is definitely better. The -stats are really what kills it for exp'ing in. The DEF is one lower, but it has 5 more HP so that isn't so much a problem. It is only 1 DEF after all. The VIT is one less, but at that level 1 VIT is nice, but not worth sweating over. There's no +Enmity, but the Attack+20 and STR+3 would make up for that IMO. It also doesn't have the Divine Magic skill+, so less hate from Flash. Any of these things alone, and possibly all of them together, wouldn't be enough of a problem, but throw in the -stats on top of all that, and it's just not worth it at all. I'd say go with stuff more worth the money, like a Vigor Ring (if you can find one :lol:), a Mermaid Ring (if you don't have one), a Terra's Staff, a Pluto's Staff, etc... Or save it; you have plenty of big purchases to make in the future as well (Diamond Shield, Espadon+1, Adaman set, Durandal, etc...).
 
ummm isnt divine almost always capped for PLD anyways since they always cast flash?

furthermore i might start playing again

and so far im 58 and i had my Byrnie since 50... i dont know why =.= hahahaha

but yeah im gonna get my last AF piece too as soon as i go back home into the JP timezone to get help from friends...

nywayz fact is... AF is free so get the Byrnie and alternate.

you can easily make up for the lost enmity by getting a mermaids ring and a Vigor +1...

I switch between two Vigor +1 and Vigor +1 and Mermaid. I used to switch for everytime i casted flash or voke... but it got too annoying... :p
 
the Divine magic skill, as far as i know, helps with resistance, but doesnt boost teh strength of spells. So if your Divi skill is capped, the +5 doesnt really effect you in XP situations. (however vs. Gods or HNMs, you want skill+ so your flash isnt resisted)
 
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