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Lucetta

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Xp party last night, wasn't entirely smooth but we kept the xp going up instead of going down, so it's all good. We started in Kuftal but there was a non-stop parade of gilsellers coming through and they kept zoning haunts through our camp. Another xp party showed up right behind us, buffed up, and started fighting mobs literally ontop of our casters. We asked them to move a bit, they backed off a little. We got sick of the haunts and the very long crab fights, and we hiked down to Quicksands to chain ants.

We fight there for a while, then people start to bow out and we have to dig up replacements. A party comes in and sets up in front of us, basically out in the first open chamber. They're going to get aggro and adds like crazy being that far out, so they drag their ant back to where our party is. People are getting silenced and blinded left and right. One or two of us do /says to them that we're camping here and it'll get really ugly having two ants debuffing both parties. No response whatsoever. They continue to fight through our party, in front or behind or in the middle depending on how well they pull the caster mobs in or how much aggro their healer catches.

We replace a member that had to leave, and we have to wait for the replacement to find a tele, get to the desert, hike to Rabao, stock up, do the hokey-pokey, get a bird, chase Catrot Rapido around a while, ride to camp, etc. etc. etc.; all the random crap that people have to do on the way to an existing party. The replacement arrives, we buff up and pull. We've never moved from our camp so we're fighting right ontop of the second party. Then they suddenly start talking to us, complaining about being doubled up with them. We say it's our camp. They say we can't stand around doing nothing for that long. We say they just barged in and never even acknowledged us when we talked to them. We continue to pull mobs, they stand around for a bit and then disband and disperse.

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SO... how long can a party stand around in a camp staring at the walls and typing "/sea all 52" over and over before another party is justified in setting up shop ontop of them?

It can easily take an hour to get a replacement committed, geared up, in zone, and buffed up for the first pull. I've had people hike out of the bottom of KRT for parties in Altepa, it's not a quick process. Let's put aside the issue of replacements, a full party can take 10+ minute breaks where everyone just stands around healing up. So how do you as a newcomer party decide when to assert yourself?

Things people could do:
-> "Are you using this camp? If not, we'd like to."

-> "Could you move up so we can both share this space?"

-> "If you guys are still standing around in 10 minutes, we're taking your camp."

-> "Hey fuckheads, shit or get off the pot, now."

Pretty much ANY interaction is better than just starting up ontop of an existing party. This is sooo much more important when the mobs have really fugly AoE attacks like Jamming Wave. For people to do all this AND piss on the original party for continuing to fight, what are you thinking?

If you ask people something, they just might give you an answer you both can live with. If you tell people you're going to do something, even if they don't like it, they'll at least know why. If you do something that's obviously going to piss people off, then plug your ears and go "La-la-la-la-la", what the hell do you think is going to happen?
 
Sounds like Koreans have really taken to FFXI nowdays. Get used to it.
 
To be honest, I generally try to avoid camping near other parties, and I really prefer to avoid camping in the same ZONE as other parties. I hate competing for my xp mobs, and the general lack of respect some people have bothers the hell out of me. I've seen zones that will support not more than 2 parties crowded with 5, camps that are great for 1 group packed with 3, and every form of abuse you can think of at this point. Sometimes, people are polite and relocate, but most of the time they either pretend to be english/JP impaired or they simply reply with "We have a right to be here too". Which is true enough, but that's not the point.

Overcrowding leads to crappy XP for EVERYONE. Or crappy farming, but that's a different issue.
 
Raesvelg said:
Overcrowding leads to crappy XP for EVERYONE. Or crappy farming, but that's a different issue.
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If they are Korean players thats the problem. They play non-stop for days from what I've seen in most MMOs, so they really never seem to care about stuff like this.
 
Similar shit happened to me in KRT. This was a while back.

I come with my PT, mnk and sam SCing, we arrive to the tomb and see a PT in the hall way fighting so we move back to the chamber. About like 5mins after they wipe :P i mean come on a THF, and a WAR on bones. So they escape with their rdm and blm down. We move up and camp on top of their bodies, hence they wiped and the camp is free now. They come back and give us the speech blah blah we were here first shit. Basically we tell them to stfu, your PT sucks you wiped camp = ours. They eventually leave =[
 
Korea recently got FFXI I believe, and they're a bit fanatical about MMORPG's. He was just saying that Korean players have aparently done this before in other MMORPG's, and that they were doing the same here.
 
Bajaratt said:
Korea recently got FFXI I believe, and they're a bit fanatical about MMORPG's. He was just saying that Korean players have aparently done this before in other MMORPG's, and that they were doing the same here.
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Pretty much.

They just don't have the same game ediquette (sp?) or manners that most people would have. From reading threads here, I can tell everyone just labels Korean farmers as gilsellers. I'm sure some of them are, but just like in Lineage 2 and EQ2, they are just typical Korean farmers...get used to it, they aren't really violating any rules out there.
 
Careface said:
They just don't have the same game ediquette (sp?) or manners that most people would have. From reading threads here, I can tell everyone just labels Korean farmers as gilsellers.
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Dunno how many Koreans we have on the server nowadays, I don't know of any that I've met or partied with yet. If they do things we consider rude as part of their normal playing, well, then I guess we'll have some idea how the JP's felt when NA release happened.

As for the 'gilsellers' in Kuftal last night, I feel pretty safe in saying they were Chinese. Marohuang, Rosehot, Iawfwhateverhernameis, etc. One of their group dropped me a /tell in Chinese (I *think* they were asking if I had Raise3), and I've seen /say conversations between some of them before in Chinese.

As for the partycrashers, one of the ones who eventually saw fit to respond to us spoke flawless English, and two others I had partied with before.

Sidenote: the gilsellers were doing some really wierd stuff. They would fight haunts until they started dying, then either wipe or only zone the haunt long after it was obvious they were in deep trouble. When some others came along and raised them, most of them immediately got up and started fighting more mobs well before weakness could have worn off. All this is even more of a shame because a very long time ago, I was in a linkshell with the actual Creaativ. She disappeared for a while and we were hyped when we saw her running around Jeuno again. It didn't take more than a couple days of her not answering /tells from friends and not understanding simple English before we figured she had sold off her char and we stopped trying to engage her. Now I have to watch her char running around fighting for HNM pops or mpk'ing rival shells. It's like watching the ghost of a friend go around haunting people.
 
Lucetta said:
I guess we'll have some idea how the JP's felt when NA release happened.
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The JP are annoyed by things like examining your gear or using /shout...that's just retarded. Now even some NA players are annoyed by those things as well...again retarded.
 
Davio:
Similar shit happened to me in KRT. This was a while back.

I come with my PT, mnk and sam SCing, we arrive to the tomb and see a PT in the hall way fighting so we move back to the chamber. About like 5mins after they wipe i mean come on a THF, and a WAR on bones. So they escape with their rdm and blm down. We move up and camp on top of their bodies, hence they wiped and the camp is free now. They come back and give us the speech blah blah we were here first shit. Basically we tell them to stfu, your PT sucks you wiped camp = ours. They eventually leave =[
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1 gil to anyone who can figure out why this is dead wrong. Only one gil because it's so obvious, that's all it's worth.

That's right, it's because the other pt was still there. Sure, some members died and the other's used Escape or zoned, but wtf, it happens all the time. It doesn't mean they are done for the night. Now, I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess that Davio has maybe died while in an xp pt before. I'm even willing to go further out on a limb and guess that he's been in an xp pt that has wiped before. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that after his pt wiped, they HP'ed or got a raise and all came back to the same camp to xp again. Imagine that.
 
Osse said:
Davio:
Similar shit happened to me in KRT. This was a while back.

I come with my PT, mnk and sam SCing, we arrive to the tomb and see a PT in the hall way fighting so we move back to the chamber. About like 5mins after they wipe i mean come on a THF, and a WAR on bones. So they escape with their rdm and blm down. We move up and camp on top of their bodies, hence they wiped and the camp is free now. They come back and give us the speech blah blah we were here first shit. Basically we tell them to stfu, your PT sucks you wiped camp = ours. They eventually leave =[
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1 gil to anyone who can figure out why this is dead wrong. Only one gil because it's so obvious, that's all it's worth.


The fact is, Osse all thier raisers died. So eveidently they had wiped. Now... they come asking us for a raise, which we do then telling us to gtfo out of "their camp" that they died in. I mean come on, their setup was like : nin,thf,war,rdm,whm,rng remind you this is on bones. Its idiots like them who cant even make a proper EXP PT, and go bitch and cry when CC comes.
That's right, it's because the other pt was still there. Sure, some members died and the other's used Escape or zoned, but wtf, it happens all the time. It doesn't mean they are done for the night. Now, I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess that Davio has maybe died while in an xp pt before. I'm even willing to go further out on a limb and guess that he's been in an xp pt that has wiped before. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that after his pt wiped, they HP'ed or got a raise and all came back to the same camp to xp again. Imagine that.
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Davio said:
Osse said:
Davio:
Similar shit happened to me in KRT. This was a while back.

I come with my PT, mnk and sam SCing, we arrive to the tomb and see a PT in the hall way fighting so we move back to the chamber. About like 5mins after they wipe i mean come on a THF, and a WAR on bones. So they escape with their rdm and blm down. We move up and camp on top of their bodies, hence they wiped and the camp is free now. They come back and give us the speech blah blah we were here first shit. Basically we tell them to stfu, your PT sucks you wiped camp = ours. They eventually leave =[
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1 gil to anyone who can figure out why this is dead wrong. Only one gil because it's so obvious, that's all it's worth.


The fact is, Osse all thier raisers died. So eveidently they had wiped. Now... they come asking us for a raise, which we do then telling us to gtfo out of "their camp" that they died in. I mean come on, their setup was like : nin,thf,war,rdm,whm,rng remind you this is on bones. Its idiots like them who cant even make a proper EXP PT, and go bitch and cry when CC comes.
That's right, it's because the other pt was still there. Sure, some members died and the other's used Escape or zoned, but wtf, it happens all the time. It doesn't mean they are done for the night. Now, I'm willing to go out on a limb and guess that Davio has maybe died while in an xp pt before. I'm even willing to go further out on a limb and guess that he's been in an xp pt that has wiped before. Furthermore, I'm willing to bet that after his pt wiped, they HP'ed or got a raise and all came back to the same camp to xp again. Imagine that
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Point is, if you cant handle the mobs and wipe... then ask the other PT for a raise. then tell that PT that raised you to gtfo, why are you there?
 
Sounds like they were pretty much assholes to you, Davio. But you didn't say that before, you made yourself look like the bad guy in your post.

I would have handled it by raising them and still letting them have the camp. I've done it before and will do it again. But I can't fault you if you took the camp as payback for them being pricks after you took the time to raise them.
 
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