even tho this is a page 5 post i think you should be the first on the list.Darklion said:
Rhaddy said:
like omg no way, i don't have half the following of fanboys that he does.
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I honestly think fanboy is the wrong term .. after all you actually have to like something to be a fanboy...
I'd go with something like angry villagers, mob, or just opportunists.
I'd go with something like angry villagers, mob, or just opportunists.
Blackchaoshero said:
No.
Actually if people were kicked for actions like this, and weren't then picked up immediately by another shell, then there would be a lot less of this happening. The reason it can continue is that there generally aren't any consequences for pulling this sort of thing. Celesia has her AF, in a week she'll have a new Dynamis shell. Why wouldn't you do it?
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DD, the thing is, it wasnt a mistake. I dont know why she did what she did, but it was very dishonest and underhanded. Now, i know you, i consider you a friend, and i think its good that you defend celest, but I dont know her as well as you do. What i do know about her is that she broke rules that were always there for a piece of armor that someone else had earned more. If she was such a nice person, why would she do it, knowing that the majority of people in her dynamis shell were gonna get really mad at her? It doesnt make sense.
As for UNA, honestly, Im not sure why the social ls is being discussed at all.
As for UNA, honestly, Im not sure why the social ls is being discussed at all.
UnderworldNA was discussed because Darklion brought it up for no apparant reason
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underworldna should just be left out, it's gonna make people hate an innocent LS
ps: maybe page 20 :O
ps: maybe page 20 :O
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This was our(members of the LS) position all along.Tymon said:
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if i remember correctly i called the action indefensible and mistake was basically refering to an error of judgement.
A social shell has no obligation to holds members to any standards except their own. Endgame shells are obviously different.
Now all that being said, obviously I don't approve of Celesia, and if there's one thing in this fucking game I hate it's thieves. Except for the whole Dua thing i don't really have anything bad to say about Valks either. I have a lot of old friends in Valks like Marick, Barbiechic, Ceasar, Hyre and others. I have nothing against Demr though I don't really know the guy that well. The reason I said the things I said in this post is really quite simple.
You've experienced now someone robbing you on their way out the door. Hopefully if enough of the endgame shells get a taste of this we'll be more conscientious when dealing with thieves who have harmed other people. That's all I am really trying to get at in my argumentative way.
On a side not with the Penut thing. When he applied to OH there was an anonymous poster on the board stating he was a thief and not to invite him. I asked the person to say their name and I asked for a reason why he was a thief. I waited a week, there was no response. What can I say?
I heard the whole story, I found it to not really be thievery. But I didn't think much of Penut. We were farming sky a day later, I saw him with his shell off doing something or other. Game over, he was gone. So no, you really don't need to argue the Penut case to me.
Now all that being said, obviously I don't approve of Celesia, and if there's one thing in this fucking game I hate it's thieves. Except for the whole Dua thing i don't really have anything bad to say about Valks either. I have a lot of old friends in Valks like Marick, Barbiechic, Ceasar, Hyre and others. I have nothing against Demr though I don't really know the guy that well. The reason I said the things I said in this post is really quite simple.
You've experienced now someone robbing you on their way out the door. Hopefully if enough of the endgame shells get a taste of this we'll be more conscientious when dealing with thieves who have harmed other people. That's all I am really trying to get at in my argumentative way.
On a side not with the Penut thing. When he applied to OH there was an anonymous poster on the board stating he was a thief and not to invite him. I asked the person to say their name and I asked for a reason why he was a thief. I waited a week, there was no response. What can I say?
I heard the whole story, I found it to not really be thievery. But I didn't think much of Penut. We were farming sky a day later, I saw him with his shell off doing something or other. Game over, he was gone. So no, you really don't need to argue the Penut case to me.
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Like I said I only metioned underworldNA to see if ppl can shine some light on the sam. who he is and what not to try to get both sides of the story, ppl stop gettin ur panties all tied up and what not.
Darklion said:
you said that too...if thats shedding light, i've been doing that for a long time.
It gives me a headache to come on to these boards anymore. This thread is a prime example of why.
You get a piece of shit like Celesia that comes into our dynamis shell and steals a piece of AF that our LS has never even seen before, and you people back her up with "Well she is a really nice person". Or even better, you get others trying to do there best to make it seem like the LS deserves what happened to them due to something that happened in a totoally different LS (Thats right, Valkyrs and Perfect are two different LS's that just happen to have Valk members that run it).
It's really kinda sad... but o-well, guess thats about all you can expect from this Forum. :crazy:
Hey at least the smiley's are funny...
You get a piece of shit like Celesia that comes into our dynamis shell and steals a piece of AF that our LS has never even seen before, and you people back her up with "Well she is a really nice person". Or even better, you get others trying to do there best to make it seem like the LS deserves what happened to them due to something that happened in a totoally different LS (Thats right, Valkyrs and Perfect are two different LS's that just happen to have Valk members that run it).
It's really kinda sad... but o-well, guess thats about all you can expect from this Forum. :crazy:
Hey at least the smiley's are funny...
kriist said:
Just for clarification, the reason I drew a parallel between Valks and Perfect.
Perfect is ran by Valk members.
While there are non Valk members in Perfect, all(if not all, almost all) Perfect members that do dynamis are in Valk.
Yanzi was the one making the flame, Valk member.
Demir was the one who was robbed, Valk member.
Celesia's other LSs were brought up. Yes Perfect /= Valk. However Underworld NA /= Valk either.
Just a simple question, has a Valk member ever been rejected from UnderworldNA?(I don't really know, I ask from curiosity.)
I also never said Perfect deserves what happened. I just saw the irony in it.
yanzi said:
Just an aside, I was born in the US. It's a home not a club. If I was an NRA member, and NRA changed it position to for example shoot babies on sight, I would quit the NRA. However, being a US citizen of 260 million and being a linkshell member of 40 are different things. Until you become born digitially in FF with a Valk linkshell equipped you are somewhat but not entirely accountable for their actions.
I also would argue Bush is not a moron, as I believe he would understand that there is a difference between an Afganistan citizen and a Taliban member while you would not by your logic.
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wow... Yanzi really said that? no offense.. but that is damn ignorant :| it's so tiring to see so many bash America when so many understand so little :\
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Just to clear up a little misconseption... Only about 1/2 of our members in Valk attend Perfects Dynamis runs. So yes you could say Perfect has a pretty good Valkyrs influence, but that is not to say that Valkyrs = Perfect... If that was the case then why not just name the shell Valkyrsdynamis. They gave it a different name to seperate the Dynamis LS from the original god LS. Also if this was the case, why would we allow other LS's to join our "Valkyrs Dynamis Shell"?
Valkyrs and Perfect are two different shells ran by two different people. Please get your facts straight before trying to make a corralation between the two and I will have no problems with your posts...
Firestreak said:
Just to clear up a little misconseption... Only about 1/2 of our members in Valk attend Perfects Dynamis runs. So yes you could say Perfect has a pretty good Valkyrs influence, but that is not to say that Valkyrs = Perfect... If that was the case then why not just name the shell Valkyrsdynamis. They gave it a different name to seperate the Dynamis LS from the original god LS. Also if this was the case, why would we allow other LS's to join our "Valkyrs Dynamis Shell"?
Valkyrs and Perfect are two different shells ran by two different people. Please get your facts straight before trying to make a corralation between the two and I will have no problems with your posts...
kriist said:
First off, it's not really about Perfect. It's about Yanzi. Yanzi is the one specifically making the case, and Yanzi IS a Valk member. So while there are of course correlations between Valk and Perfect, yes they are different.
And although this is not the specific case I'm trying to make, I will answer your question because afterall you did ask it.
As you say, half of Valk attends Perfect with Dynamis(one such Valk member happened to be Dua, he was kicked for skilling up instead of using real gear if I'm not mistaken). While Valks is no weak shell clearly half of Valks cannot clear Dynamis alone. Outterheaven had a Dynamis shell for a time. We took in non OH people for the obvious reason... dynamis requires more people than any other endgame activitiy. So if Valks had 50 or so people willing to do Dynamis it's my belief you wouldn't have looked for other people to join.
I'll repeat my question if there's any Valk members who have been rejected to Perfect. If nothing else just to show which LS you prefer the members come from.
But yes, Valk /= Perfect.
But the person making the specific flame, the person robbed, the leader of perfect, all Valk members.
I find a comparsion myself to the two situations. If you don't, so be it.