celesia is a thief

kriist said:
Just to clear up a little misconseption... Only about 1/2 of our members in Valk attend Perfects Dynamis runs. So yes you could say Perfect has a pretty good Valkyrs influence, but that is not to say that Valkyrs = Perfect... If that was the case then why not just name the shell Valkyrsdynamis. They gave it a different name to seperate the Dynamis LS from the original god LS. Also if this was the case, why would we allow other LS's to join our "Valkyrs Dynamis Shell"?

Valkyrs and Perfect are two different shells ran by two different people. Please get your facts straight before trying to make a corralation between the two and I will have no problems with your posts...
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fire tries to make this silly parallel only because incidently i was the one who started this thread. if someone from OH who is a member of perfect started it, i'm sure there would be people bashing OH about dua, ithenas, penut, whoever stealing from OH again. i knew fire would bring it up, otherwise, what a boring flame this would have become.
 
yanzi said:
fire tries to make this silly parallel only because incidently i was the one who started this thread. if someone from OH who is a member of perfect started it, i'm sure there would be people bashing OH about dua, ithenas, penut, whoever stealing from OH again. i knew fire would bring it up, otherwise, what a boring flame this would have become.
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Not much you can say to badmouth us in the case of Dua or Ithenas. As far as Penut is concerned... I think that mention was just blowback because of my comments on the Nikki thread. Nothing really to materalize there.
 
Firestreak said:
Just an aside, I was born in the US. It's a home not a club. If I was an NRA member, and NRA changed it position to for example shoot babies on sight, I would quit the NRA. However, being a US citizen of 260 million and being a linkshell member of 40 are different things. Until you become born digitially in FF with a Valk linkshell equipped you are somewhat but not entirely accountable for their actions.

I also would argue Bush is not a moron, as I believe he would understand that there is a difference between an Afganistan citizen and a Taliban member while you would not by your logic.
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my original rebuttal was made about your point how if i am in valk, i am respondible for them accepting dua. you basically implied that. i'm only comparing that point vs. living in america. someone may live in the US, but are they responsible for a leader's actions or the country's? say, someone voted for bush but is against the war. from your posts, you seem to believe this scenario could never happen.
saying the US is a home is the same thing as a LS. anyone can move if they want. no one's forcing someone to live somewhere. by saying you can't move because you are born someplace is not valid.
 
Firestreak said:
Not much you can say to badmouth us in the case of Dua or Ithenas. As far as Penut is concerned... I think that mention was just blowback because of my comments on the Nikki thread. Nothing really to materalize there.
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as pere has his fanboys who will reply to his thread, i have mine.
unfortunately, i can't surpass his current thread about the sockpuppet. i am teh failure.:nono:
 
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Firestreak said:
I'll repeat my question if there's any Valk members who have been rejected to Perfect. If nothing else just to show which LS you prefer the members come from.
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To answer your question. I do not know of anyone rejected by Perfect... Valk member or any other people trying to join our shell. Also, we have people that are in Valkyrs who used to be in Perfect that decided that this shell was not what they wanted in a Dynamis shell. So if you look at it that way, they kind of Rejected Perfect but not the other way around. I can give you some names if that would make it easier to understand.

Valkyrs is ran by Villarel, Perfect is ran by Candia, Hyre and Ryme (I'm sure there are more I just can't remember lol). So really the only correlation you can draw is the fact that some of Valks members decided to start a Dynamis shell.

Valkyrs is a completely different type of shell ran by a completely different leader.... take that how you will, just don't expect me to understand wtf you are trying to say.

:crazy: god damn that smiley is funny...
 
21 pages for something this simple?

Celesia lotted something she was not allowed to and made away with the piece of gear. Let me sum it all up.
She got the gear. A post was made to warn other shells and players of her disregard for rules. The only 2 people that were hurt were Demir and Celesia.

Regardless of her reputation prior to this she will not be welcome to join my Dynamis shell for the fact that she disregarded rules. I am glad this post was made to warn me of her behavior. She may be the nicest person in the world but actions such as these can be the death of your endgame reputation.
 
kriist said:
To answer your question. I do not know of anyone rejected by Perfect... Valk member or any other people trying to join our shell. Also, we have people that are in Valkyrs who used to be in Perfect that decided that this shell was not what they wanted in a Dynamis shell. So if you look at it that way, they kind of Rejected Perfect but not the other way around. I can give you some names if that would make it easier to understand.
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Not really, seeing as that's not what I asked. There are obviously plenty of Valk members who don't go with Perfect seeing as so many from other shells.

kriist said:
Valkyrs is ran by Villarel, Perfect is ran by Candia, Hyre and Ryme (I'm sure there are more I just can't remember lol). So really the only correlation you can draw is the fact that some of Valks members decided to start a Dynamis shell.
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I suppose so, however the links between Valks and Perfect are not what I'm really getting at. More specifically the people involved in this case. Who was really injured? Who is involved in punishment? Who is making the flame, ext. They could have been in the context of any shell the point was the specific people involved.

kriist said:
Valkyrs is a completely different type of shell ran by a completely different leader.... take that how you will, just don't expect me to understand wtf you are trying to say.
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I've been agreeing they are different shells for the longest time. You're just arguing against points I'm not even making. But yes if you're going to straight up ask me to find links I'll try, it doesn't make that my argument.
 
kriist said:
To answer your question. I do not know of anyone rejected by Perfect... Valk member or any other people trying to join our shell. Also, we have people that are in Valkyrs who used to be in Perfect that decided that this shell was not what they wanted in a Dynamis shell. So if you look at it that way, they kind of Rejected Perfect but not the other way around. I can give you some names if that would make it easier to understand.

Valkyrs is ran by Villarel, Perfect is ran by Candia, Hyre and Ryme (I'm sure there are more I just can't remember lol). So really the only correlation you can draw is the fact that some of Valks members decided to start a Dynamis shell.

Valkyrs is a completely different type of shell ran by a completely different leader.... take that how you will, just don't expect me to understand wtf you are trying to say.

:crazy: god damn that smiley is funny...
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well, there have been valk members bumped down tiers. in regards to shadow mantle, not all the lotters were valk members. if there were any favoritism it would be towards people and not shells.
 
God damnit Fire, stop going in circles and see that people are answering your fucking questions. Everytime someone gives info to answer one of your questions you always have to try to change it around and say "oh, but that's not what I'm asking". The questions you just asked can be answered by going to the main page of the Flameboard and reading the title and seeing the author of the flame. So why don't you just stop there. And the only people being injured other than Demir's goal to complete his relic and Celesia's reputation is us for having to read your posts that don't make a bit of sense. :nono:
 
Foofighter said:
21 pages for something this simple?

Celesia lotted something she was not allowed to and made away with the piece of gear. Let me sum it all up.
She got the gear. A post was made to warn other shells and players of her disregard for rules. The only 2 people that were hurt were Demir and Celesia.

Regardless of her reputation prior to this she will not be welcome to join my Dynamis shell for the fact that she disregarded rules. I am glad this post was made to warn me of her behavior. She may be the nicest person in the world but actions such as these can be the death of your endgame reputation.
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thank you. someone understands my post.
 
Firestreak said:
May I also point out, you can forget Dua ever set foot in Valks, wasn't he a Perfect member too?
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Once again, what the hell does this have to do with anything?
 
yanzi said:
i blame chemira. he wanted reading material while looking for party.
:nono:
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I feel bad for Chem then, cause this isn't good reading material.
 
yanzi said:
i blame chemira. he wanted reading material while looking for party.
:nono:
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I hacked your mind and made you post this thread.

There is no character named Celesia, Perfect is not a linkshell, and dynamis isn't due to be released in the game for another year.
 
Arien said:
God damnit Fire, stop going in circles and see that people are answering your fucking questions. Everytime someone gives info to answer one of your questions you always have to try to change it around and say "oh, but that's not what I'm asking". The questions you just asked can be answered by going to the main page of the Flameboard and reading the title and seeing the author of the flame. So why don't you just stop there. And the only people being injured other than Demir's goal to complete his relic and Celesia's reputation is us for having to read your posts that don't make a bit of sense. :nono:
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It's very simple. I ask a difficult question, and someone responds to a point I'm not making. Let me show,



Firestreak said:
First off, it's not really about Perfect. It's about Yanzi. Yanzi is the one specifically making the case, and Yanzi IS a Valk member. So while there are of course correlations between Valk and Perfect, yes they are different.

And although this is not the specific case I'm trying to make, I will answer your question because afterall you did ask it.

As you say, half of Valk attends Perfect with Dynamis(one such Valk member happened to be Dua, he was kicked for skilling up instead of using real gear if I'm not mistaken). While Valks is no weak shell clearly half of Valks cannot clear Dynamis alone. Outterheaven had a Dynamis shell for a time. We took in non OH people for the obvious reason... dynamis requires more people than any other endgame activitiy. So if Valks had 50 or so people willing to do Dynamis it's my belief you wouldn't have looked for other people to join.

I'll repeat my question if there's any Valk members who have been rejected to Perfect. If nothing else just to show which LS you prefer the members come from.

But yes, Valk /= Perfect.

But the person making the specific flame, the person robbed, the leader of perfect, all Valk members.

I find a comparsion myself to the two situations. If you don't, so be it.
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I've highlighted the key points of my post.

Valk isn't Perfect. I'm not making this case. You're arguing against this case I'm not making.

The response is...


Kriist said:
To answer your question. I do not know of anyone rejected by Perfect... Valk member or any other people trying to join our shell. Also, we have people that are in Valkyrs who used to be in Perfect that decided that this shell was not what they wanted in a Dynamis shell. So if you look at it that way, they kind of Rejected Perfect but not the other way around. I can give you some names if that would make it easier to understand.

Valkyrs is ran by Villarel, Perfect is ran by Candia, Hyre and Ryme (I'm sure there are more I just can't remember lol). So really the only correlation you can draw is the fact that some of Valks members decided to start a Dynamis shell.

Valkyrs is a completely different type of shell ran by a completely different leader.... take that how you will, just don't expect me to understand wtf you are trying to say.
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This entire response is devoted to the argument that I am saying the linkshells are the same. I have never said they are the same. When specifically asked what I find similar I respond. But I agree they are different. The point was specific against Yanzi.

Hence this thread is 22 pages. Over and over again, people responding to points I'm not making, nobody answering the points I am making. Except for the points that have no real relevance to this debate in hand.

But yes, why don't you respond yet again with, "But Valks and Perfect R different!"
 
Lol.....

So you're wondering why people are not answering your questions directly? I would have to say it has something to do with the fact that nobody understands what point you are trying to make. You don't make yourself clear. You keep going in circle and blaming everyone else for not answering your questions. <Please> <Help us out!> And maybe we can figure out just what it is that you want to know.

You just said "Valk isn't Perfect". But then you go on to bold the line "But the person making the specific flame, the person robbed, the leader of perfect, all Valk members." Now explain to me just what your point is and maybe I can be done with this horrible thread.
 
My point is this.

hypocrisy
1. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

By posting here on this OP, Yanzi is officially denoucing Celesia for being a thief.

This is a value that remains very important to me. I hate thieves with a passion. They disgust me and I can't stand being associated with them.

So when someone professes their dislike of thieves, and questions a linkshell by associating themselves with a thief, a light goes off in my head. Does this person really share my values, or, do they profess my values without holding them dear.

I attempted to prove, well, this is a person who tolerates thieves. This is a person who cheers thieves on, if they happen to be in their corner. This is my personal view. This is how I see it. I have my own set of morals, they may not be yours. Thsi is a public forum, I said my views.

And it is my belief that if/when Dua returns, Yanzi will continue to accept Dua while treating Celesia harshly, and expect others to, for the exact same thing.
 
Awsome, a real response. I cannot speak for Yanzi but I am in a couple of the same linkshells as him so I have an idea as to how they would handle thieves. They are not tolerated, you steal from people, you are gone. Valks has measures in place to prevent this from happening as much as possible. Perfect, well you know there is an honor system when it comes to tiered lotting systems in dynamis. Hell, anybody could lot anything they wanted if it came down to it. But that goes for any dynamis shell. You are taking somewhat of a chance on every run.

There always are and always will be people who can sneak in under false pretenses and end up stealing something down the road from the LS. Which is similar to the situation with Celesia, this person seemed like a nice person for an extended period of time until this little event happened and they showed their true colors. There is no way to really predict that such a thing would happen.

I can understand your anger with Dua since it was your shell that was stolen from. I do have one question for you though. If you are so appalled by thieves then why do you allow yourself to be in a linkshell run by Prophecy?
 
Firestreak said:
So when someone professes their dislike of thieves, and questions a linkshell by associating themselves with a thief, a light goes off in my head. Does this person really share my values, or, do they profess my values without holding them dear.

I attempted to prove, well, this is a person who tolerates thieves. This is a person who cheers thieves on, if they happen to be in their corner. This is my personal view. This is how I see it. I have my own set of morals, they may not be yours. Thsi is a public forum, I said my views.

And it is my belief that if/when Dua returns, Yanzi will continue to accept Dua while treating Celesia harshly, and expect others to, for the exact same thing.
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you accepted penut. ignorance is not an excuse.
i don't run valks, i don't have any say in valks, and i don't speak for valks. what the shell does with dua doesn't have anything to do with me. what part of this can't you understand?
ok, here's an example for you. you live in america. in america, random police violence happens (rodney king, the marine guy shot today). so, since you live in america, you must advocate this stuff right?
or the thousands of innocent iraqis and whatever killed in the gulf, are you responsible for their lives too?
my point is that someone may be a member of something, some organization, live in some place. but it doesn't mean they always agree with what is going on. and that just because someone is a member of something, some organization or lives in some place, it doesn't mean they agree with everything that goes on. capische?
 
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