celesia is a thief

[kriist]

. The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.

By posting here on this OP, Yanzi is officially denoucing Celesia for being a thief.

This is a value that remains very important to me. I hate thieves with a passion. They disgust me and I can't stand being associated with them.

So when someone professes their dislike of thieves, and questions a linkshell by associating themselves with a thief, a light goes off in my head. Does this person really share my values, or, do they profess my values without holding them dear.

I attempted to prove, well, this is a person who tolerates thieves. This is a person who cheers thieves on, if they happen to be in their corner. This is my personal view. This is how I see it. I have my own set of morals, they may not be yours. Thsi is a public forum, I said my views.

And it is my belief that if/when Dua returns, Yanzi will continue to accept Dua while treating Celesia harshly, and expect others to, for the exact same thing.

Can you show me a quote where Yanzi said it was ok that Dua took the SH? On top of that can you show me anything that states Yanzi had anything to do with the recruitment of Dua into the Valkyrs LS?

And it seemed to me he was just asking what LS Celesia was in. Not saying, that because he was in said LS that the whole LS should be held accountable...

 

[Davio]

I have been reading this thread and it seems blatantly clear what fire is trying to question.

Basically how can you post about somone stealing and trying to hold thier LS accountable when you the same person is in a LS that takes self admitted thieves and is ok with it.

That is called Hypocricy.

Finally.

 

[Firestreak]

I think your reading comprehension might be worse than mine ;/

I could be wrong but looking back I think you might be saying how I said that person was not a thief followed by the screenshots proving Dua was a thief.

Yanzi made 2 different points I was responding two.

Firstly he said Penut was a thief, Penut was taken into OH, that makes me as bad as him.

Then he said he doesn't know for sure if Dua was a thief or not.

So I firstly responded to the reasons that Penut is not a thief by the definition of being a thief. Though as a person, I will say officially I think it was a shitty thing for him to do. Not stealing. That along with poor attendence led to his kick. As well at the time we had no source willing to accuse Penut of being a thief with their own name or even an anonymous person willing to explain the situation.

Then I showed screenies proving the thievery of DUA not Penut.

Sorry to confuse you.

 

[Tyrath]

Eh, nope. I was just talking about the country thing I quoted ^^

I miss chain quotes, make stuff easier

 

[kriist]

have been reading this thread and it seems blatantly clear what fire is trying to question.

Basically how can you post about somone stealing and trying to hold thier LS accountable when you the same person is in a LS that takes self admitted thieves and is ok with it.

That is called Hypocricy.

All you have to do is go back to the 1st page a read....

Yanzi was not trying to hold an entire LS accountable, and if you notice Yanzi didn't even mention the name of Celesia's LS, Darklion did. All Yanzi was trying to do is let people know that Celesia cannot be trusted to follow the cleary stated rules of a LS. Firestreak was calling him a hypocrite as are you, based on what? The fact that he was in the same LS as someone who stole a SH from OH?

If that is the case then Fire, do you remeber the "Stealing of Kirin" flame that got to what 100 pages? I guess we would have to hold whoever is in OH accountable for what previous member did to another LS, no matter when they joined or if they agree with what happened?

 

[etchdog2000]

All you have to do is go back to the 1st page a read....

Yanzi was not trying to hold an entire LS accountable, and if you notice Yanzi didn't even mention the name of Celesia's LS, Darklion did. All Yanzi was trying to do is let people know that Celesia cannot be trusted to follow the cleary stated rules of a LS. Firestreak was calling him a hypocrite as are you, based on what? The fact that he was in the same LS as someone who stole a SH from OH?

If that is the case then Fire, do you remeber the "Stealing of Kirin" flame that got to what 100 pages? I guess we would have to hold whoever is in OH accountable for what previous member did to another LS, no matter when they joined or if they agree with what happened?

Lets get somthing straight. I could care less about the issue, just an enjoying read. I was just sick of seeing Fire explain the same damn thing OVER and OVER and OVER because people couldnt understand the point he was trying to make.

And btw.

has he said anything about it?
wonder if underworldNA will let this slide.

I guess you were wrong. Yanzi DID question weather or not the LS was going to do something about it. You are right Yanzi did not originally bring it up, but in fact did ask the question.

 

[Arien]

If that is the case then Fire, do you remeber the "Stealing of Kirin" flame that got to what 100 pages? I guess we would have to hold whoever is in OH accountable for what previous member did to another LS, no matter when they joined or if they agree with what happened?

Booya.

 

[Firestreak]

All you have to do is go back to the 1st page a read....

Yanzi was not trying to hold an entire LS accountable, and if you notice Yanzi didn't even mention the name of Celesia's LS, Darklion did. All Yanzi was trying to do is let people know that Celesia cannot be trusted to follow the cleary stated rules of a LS. Firestreak was calling him a hypocrite as are you, based on what? The fact that he was in the same LS as someone who stole a SH from OH?

If that is the case then Fire, do you remeber the "Stealing of Kirin" flame that got to what 100 pages? I guess we would have to hold whoever is in OH accountable for what previous member did to another LS, no matter when they joined or if they agree with what happened?

They wiped. ;o

We made peace, I offered my assistance on future Kirins if they should require it, they never took me up on it.

 

[Arien]

Lets get somthing straight. I could care less about the issue, just an enjoying read. I was just sick of seeing Fire explain the same damn thing OVER and OVER and OVER because people couldnt understand the point he was trying to make.

And btw.

I guess you were wrong. Yanzi DID question weather or not the LS was going to do something about it. You are right Yanzi did not originally bring it up, but in fact did ask the question.

Dude......Fire was not explaining the same thing over and over. He was waffling at the same questions over and over. There is a difference. He finally gave me a post with what he was trying to say. Of course then he proceeded to contradict himself a few posts later but hey, that's Firestreak for ya. Some things never change. :thumbsup:

 

[Arien]

Actually they didn't wipe, I saw the whole thing go down waiting for us to start a Kirin. :nono:

They wiped. ;o

We made peace, I offered my assistance on future Kirins if they should require it, they never took me up on it.

 

[kriist]

has he said anything about it?
wonder if underworldNA will let this slide.

I'm sorry but if you can read and understand plain english this looks like a simple question... I wonder if UnderworldNA will let this slide?

Now if that quote would have read... I don't think UnderworldNA should let this slide, then you might have a point. Until that question becomes a statement, I have no idea where you are coming from... :crazy:

 

[Firestreak]

Actually they didn't wipe, I saw the whole thing go down waiting for us to start a Kirin. :nono:

I'm sorry but I've seen enough wipes to know a wipe. Not the mention the situation of common time slots and conflicts resulting. There was a similar flame involving NH, Kaizen and Tiamat if I recall and I don't remember anyone at the end of it offering to help NH kill Tiamat.

 

[Firestreak]

So it's cool to Yanzi if people in Perfect get screwed over as long as they aren't Valkyr members? =p

My original post to spawn the controvesy. Another simple question. =P

 

[Tyrath]

I'm sorry but I've seen enough wipes to know a wipe. Not the mention the situation of common time slots and conflicts resulting. There was a similar flame involving NH, Kaizen and Tiamat if I recall and I don't remember anyone at the end of it offering to help NH kill Tiamat.

Why should they? Tiamat is not a popped HNM like Kirin.

 

[etchdog2000]

I'm sorry but if you can read and understand plain english this looks like a simple question... I wonder if UnderworldNA will let this slide?

Now if that quote would have read... I don't think UnderworldNA should let this slide, then you might have a point. Until that question becomes a statement, I have no idea where you are coming from... :crazy:

im confused. You ask questions that your not interested in the answer? Why would Yanzi ask that question unless there was interest in the answer? I am curious why Yanzi would ask the question unless Yanzi thought something SHOULD be done. I guess Yanzi could have just been interested to know how the social LS would handle it, but then again why would Yanzi care? Thats what went through my mind as I read that. I dont go asking questions about shells that have nothing to do with me.

But HEY I could be wrong, but im guessing thats how most people interpreted that statement.

Side note: I think the person that stole the piece has some moral issues. I hope to not have that person in my shell when it involves drops. Demir is good peeps, he has helped me with quite a few things. Sucks to see good people get screwed.

 

[Firestreak]

The question isn't the conditions of popping the NM, the question is the conditions of the change in claim. If you consider a wipe total or partial to justify the take. Either way, they were going down.

If you consider stealing wipe with a few alive in a hopeless situation to be stealing it one stance, then you should consider it stealing in all stances. The claim itself of many mobs is a valuable thing. Sometimes more valuable than pop items that can be fairly easily obtained.

 

[Tyrath]

The question isn't the conditions of popping the NM, the question is the conditions of the change in claim. If you consider a wipe total or partial to justify the take. Either way, they were going down.

If you consider stealing wipe with a few alive in a hopeless situation to be stealing it one stance, then you should consider it stealing in all stances. The claim itself of many mobs is a valuable thing. Sometimes more valuable than pop items that can be fairly easily obtained.

Conditions of popping do matter. But not gonna argue this point with you. The situation has what, 100 pages on it already? Plus I'm doing homeworks right now @.@

 

[Arien]

I'm sorry but I've seen enough wipes to know a wipe. Not the mention the situation of common time slots and conflicts resulting. There was a similar flame involving NH, Kaizen and Tiamat if I recall and I don't remember anyone at the end of it offering to help NH kill Tiamat.

Obviously not. They had plenty of people up to continue kiting him around until they could recover. I've seen it happen many times on Kirin where a lot of people go down due to one reason or another and 3-4 people can keep him occupied while others recover. You totally stole that Kirin, no question about it.

 

[Tyrath]

Oh and as for the wipe situation. If they did had a few people up, it wasn't necessarily a wipe.

I know ESP in the past got fucked up by 2 quick pops and low attendence, and we got down to very few people. 3-4 up at the most at one point and Kirin and Suzaku both up. We then recovered nicely(greatly due to Dresdan throwing away over 30k xp ><) and went on the kill kirin that day.

Moral of the story: Don't assume its a wipe, let it happen first =P

 

[kriist]

You ask questions that your not interested in the answer? Why would Yanzi ask that question unless there was interest in the answer? I am curious why Yanzi would ask the question unless Yanzi thought something SHOULD be done. I guess Yanzi could have just been interested to know how the social LS would handle it, but then again why would Yanzi care? Thats what went through my mind as I read that. I dont go asking questions about shells that have nothing to do with me.

He asked a question that everyone on the forum was wondering, What does Celesia's LS think about what happened to Demir? Seems like an honest question to me.

So by asking if Celesia's LS was gonna let this slide, it automatically means that Celesia's LS needs to take care of this? IMO I guess it's all in the interpretation of it. Honestly I was wondering the same thing, Yanzi just happened to post it first.

BTW, any peeps of Demir's are peeps of mine. :biggrin:Nice to meet ya!