It's kind of like, yes you've been a WHM in end game for a while now, but I doubt you'd go up to one of the first WHMs up farming sky, having never done an endgame activity with them, and proclaim any expertise they have of a god fight worthless.
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Firestreak said:
lol i wish i could remember the damn emoticons here cause i'd put that one that arien keeps using... the one with the guy holding up a list and wagging his finger.
Firestreak said:
same shit when you've had days to produce one supposed post where i've encouraged dua, cheered for the thievery, or stuck up for him when valk accepted him.
nice truth telling there buddy.
Firestreak said:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html
just spending more time in sky has no bearing on being an expert. you make it seem like sky is such a difficult thing. it's not.
1 I did produce a link showing you supporting Dua.
2. Considering that me and Laur have never fought any gods together...
Consider-
1. The only information we can both know is I've been in sky far longer than him.
2. Laur assumes his expertise in sky fights, admitted by you, not terribly difficult, is superior.
Now the problem with your logical fallicy link is there seem to be common sense conditions in which someone can in fact, claim to authority. Unlike in real life, I can't say, have a Phd in Kirin wipe scenarios. But I fight Kirin 100 times, I can experiences wipes with a variety of different LSes, I can experience recoveries. I can witness the situations in which such things are possible and the situations in which things are not possible. I know how long it takes for Kirin to pop summons, and I know how long it takes for raise affects to clear. I know the path in which Kirin and its pops take without hate and I know where you have to be to be raised from that path. I know what jobs can kite kirin and I know what jobs can't.
Knowing all these things, I can look at a situation and say, "this right here, is a wipe." And if you recovered from such a situation, then I know, somehow, your situation was different in some way. You had different jobs up. The jobs you needed raised died in more convieniant spots, you still had enough people alive at critical points.
So yes, I deem myself expert. Because to me, it's all rather simple. Just like I can say, I deem myself expert at operating my remote control. If it doesn't flip the channel, the batteries are dead. It requires new batteries. Whatever modes it has to be in, I know these modes. What direction it has to face, I know this direction. It's been 20 months since I replaced those batteries.I hit that button. No click? I must be an expert.
2. Considering that me and Laur have never fought any gods together...
Consider-
1. The only information we can both know is I've been in sky far longer than him.
2. Laur assumes his expertise in sky fights, admitted by you, not terribly difficult, is superior.
Now the problem with your logical fallicy link is there seem to be common sense conditions in which someone can in fact, claim to authority. Unlike in real life, I can't say, have a Phd in Kirin wipe scenarios. But I fight Kirin 100 times, I can experiences wipes with a variety of different LSes, I can experience recoveries. I can witness the situations in which such things are possible and the situations in which things are not possible. I know how long it takes for Kirin to pop summons, and I know how long it takes for raise affects to clear. I know the path in which Kirin and its pops take without hate and I know where you have to be to be raised from that path. I know what jobs can kite kirin and I know what jobs can't.
Knowing all these things, I can look at a situation and say, "this right here, is a wipe." And if you recovered from such a situation, then I know, somehow, your situation was different in some way. You had different jobs up. The jobs you needed raised died in more convieniant spots, you still had enough people alive at critical points.
So yes, I deem myself expert. Because to me, it's all rather simple. Just like I can say, I deem myself expert at operating my remote control. If it doesn't flip the channel, the batteries are dead. It requires new batteries. Whatever modes it has to be in, I know these modes. What direction it has to face, I know this direction. It's been 20 months since I replaced those batteries.I hit that button. No click? I must be an expert.
I have three things to mention.
Firstly, only Firestreak can be proven right by being proven wrong.
Kat: FS you are completely wrong.
FS: DONT YOU SEE that means i'm right! Duh!
Secondly, the country example is utter crap Yanzi. A real comparison is a club not a country. Or a union maybe. Say I'm a girl scout. My Girl Scout leader decides our activity for the week is stealing liquer from a party store. I don't HAVE to stay. If I stay I get free cookies and booze, but if I disagree with whats going on I can leave girl scouts and join another club. The club is not necessary to my actual survival, and not something I can't live without. Your character is not deleted if you drop a linkshell. Your character cannot exist without being bound to a country though (Win/Bast/Sand)
Thirdly, we REALLY need to get the actual thief in this thread. Watching necro-tastic arguements unfold for the umpteenth time is boring. I want to hear what Cel has to say for herself. Are we looking at nice guy misunderstood award or roofie junior here? Seeing them actually post would shed a great deal of light on that. And friend's opinions don't count. And farming spider webs doesnt necesarily make you a good person. Ok maybe that was more than 3. ^^
Firstly, only Firestreak can be proven right by being proven wrong.
Kat: FS you are completely wrong.
FS: DONT YOU SEE that means i'm right! Duh!
Secondly, the country example is utter crap Yanzi. A real comparison is a club not a country. Or a union maybe. Say I'm a girl scout. My Girl Scout leader decides our activity for the week is stealing liquer from a party store. I don't HAVE to stay. If I stay I get free cookies and booze, but if I disagree with whats going on I can leave girl scouts and join another club. The club is not necessary to my actual survival, and not something I can't live without. Your character is not deleted if you drop a linkshell. Your character cannot exist without being bound to a country though (Win/Bast/Sand)
Thirdly, we REALLY need to get the actual thief in this thread. Watching necro-tastic arguements unfold for the umpteenth time is boring. I want to hear what Cel has to say for herself. Are we looking at nice guy misunderstood award or roofie junior here? Seeing them actually post would shed a great deal of light on that. And friend's opinions don't count. And farming spider webs doesnt necesarily make you a good person. Ok maybe that was more than 3. ^^
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Mistaya said:
I don't think you're gonna see this happen Mistaya. They pretty much admitted they did it thru the screenies in the LS that nite because they said "I haven't gotten anything in 8 months". All I have to say about that is friggin' lame ass excuse if there ever was one.
I still hold to my original post in this thread when I said:
Kat said:
Mistaya said:
I'll just explain what I meant by that. I said me and Laur leveled among the same time. Kat said 2 things.
1. Admitting I leveled my Paladin in the same generation as her WHM.
2. Stating she staticed with Laur til 70.
The point yeah that means... pretty much yep at least til 70 my Paladin is in Laur's generation.
It's just basic deductive logic.
I got what you meant 
i just thought it sounded funny at first glance.
i just thought it sounded funny at first glance.You lose Fire. Plain and simple you lose. You were proven wrong on partying with me and that took a shot to your ego, so then you go and try to turn that around into making you sound like you were right. Does that sound familar to anyone? It seems to be your speciality.
I didn't bring into question your in-game skill, simply your ability to post on this board without making an ass out of yourself, which you have only proven to be correct. It was you who came out firing with "I know more than you, I've been doing this longer bullshit". Kinda makes ya look funny don't you think?
The argument was over your knowledge of what is a wipe or not, not over your "uba" God skills. You've once again taken something that was originally one thing, and turned into something completely different. How many times does this have to happen for you to understand what you are doing?
Stop pissing yourself off man, it's not healthy. :nono:
Your assumptions are making you look stupid, please stop.
Once again, this has what do with anything? You were there first so it's yours? You were there first so it makes you better? Using the logic of a 5 year old will NOT get you anywhere.
Oh and I don't have to spend any time digging through old threads to find where you made yourself look stupid. You're doing it repeatedly on this thread alone. No sense in me wasting my time. :rtfm:
Have a nice day. :smile:
I didn't bring into question your in-game skill, simply your ability to post on this board without making an ass out of yourself, which you have only proven to be correct. It was you who came out firing with "I know more than you, I've been doing this longer bullshit". Kinda makes ya look funny don't you think?
The argument was over your knowledge of what is a wipe or not, not over your "uba" God skills. You've once again taken something that was originally one thing, and turned into something completely different. How many times does this have to happen for you to understand what you are doing?
Firestreak said:
Stop pissing yourself off man, it's not healthy. :nono:
Firestreak said:
Your assumptions are making you look stupid, please stop.
Firestreak said:
Once again, this has what do with anything? You were there first so it's yours? You were there first so it makes you better? Using the logic of a 5 year old will NOT get you anywhere.
Oh and I don't have to spend any time digging through old threads to find where you made yourself look stupid. You're doing it repeatedly on this thread alone. No sense in me wasting my time. :rtfm:
Have a nice day. :smile:
Quick summary of what happened to this thread:
Celesia was mentioned as a thief for lotting and obtaining an AF that he/she wasn't suppose to obtain. Celesia's LS was mentioned, being provided as more info about Celesia, however no flames was intended toward Celesia's social LS. Firestreak made parallel's between Perfect and Valkyrs and trying to support his argument to this thread but failed miserably. Then people argue with him over and over and in order to rescue himself his ego came in and his basic argument is how his e-penis is bigger than some people he had been arguing with in this thread because he lvled some 2nd job and partied with one of the people he's arguing against. His experience in sky helps his argument because of the amount of time spent up there. That's where the de-railing of the thread went.
Back to the main point of the thread and my input on the situation:
Celesia's argument was "Not having recieved anything for 8 months". To my understanding LS Perfect has just become 8 months when this had happened. Celesia did not join Perfect until much later on. So her comment on not recieving anything for 8 months is not accurate. Also according to the records in Perfect Celesia has obtained 100coin but no SAM AF was recorded during the time he/she has been in Perfect.
Celesia has no record posting of what AF she had already obtained before and after joining Perfect within our forums. SAM AF has dropped in the cities and have been "free lotted" to the people who have the next highest job level for SAM. So if Celesia doesn't have any other SAM AF Relic armor then Celesia has failed in attending those runs for when the AF had become "free lotted". Thus hindering his/her participation in Dynamis runs which affects the Northland Queues. If however Celesia did have some SAM AF prior to joining Perfect he/she could have addressed it to the Leaders and maybe something could have been arranged. But Celesia had failed to provide even info on the forums as to what AF he/she already had, if any.
The Northland AF drops have really bad dop rates and it's not only Celesia that has been waiting patiently but other members as well. So basically if Demir has been in the shell since day 1 after the same job AF and Celesia has joined midway through. Then Demir has been in the shell roughly 2x longer than Celesia for the same Northland AF, assuming that Demir has better attendance, which in this case he does. Funny enough though Demir has already won Xarcabard AF so when Xarcabard AF does happen to drop again Celesia has a chance of obtaining AF in Xarcabard when it drops.
Perfect has only 3 people lotting for SAM AF Relic with Demir on Tier 1 since he's been in the shell since Day 1 which was in May 2005. The other 2 SAM's (1 being Celesia) are in Tier 2 and have joined around midway through the shell.
Basically as of right now the current situation is not in Celesia's favor at the moment. I'm sure Celesia's a nice person but given his/her actions I don't see any arguments that can support Celesia's side.
Celesia was mentioned as a thief for lotting and obtaining an AF that he/she wasn't suppose to obtain. Celesia's LS was mentioned, being provided as more info about Celesia, however no flames was intended toward Celesia's social LS. Firestreak made parallel's between Perfect and Valkyrs and trying to support his argument to this thread but failed miserably. Then people argue with him over and over and in order to rescue himself his ego came in and his basic argument is how his e-penis is bigger than some people he had been arguing with in this thread because he lvled some 2nd job and partied with one of the people he's arguing against. His experience in sky helps his argument because of the amount of time spent up there. That's where the de-railing of the thread went.
Back to the main point of the thread and my input on the situation:
Celesia's argument was "Not having recieved anything for 8 months". To my understanding LS Perfect has just become 8 months when this had happened. Celesia did not join Perfect until much later on. So her comment on not recieving anything for 8 months is not accurate. Also according to the records in Perfect Celesia has obtained 100coin but no SAM AF was recorded during the time he/she has been in Perfect.
Celesia has no record posting of what AF she had already obtained before and after joining Perfect within our forums. SAM AF has dropped in the cities and have been "free lotted" to the people who have the next highest job level for SAM. So if Celesia doesn't have any other SAM AF Relic armor then Celesia has failed in attending those runs for when the AF had become "free lotted". Thus hindering his/her participation in Dynamis runs which affects the Northland Queues. If however Celesia did have some SAM AF prior to joining Perfect he/she could have addressed it to the Leaders and maybe something could have been arranged. But Celesia had failed to provide even info on the forums as to what AF he/she already had, if any.
The Northland AF drops have really bad dop rates and it's not only Celesia that has been waiting patiently but other members as well. So basically if Demir has been in the shell since day 1 after the same job AF and Celesia has joined midway through. Then Demir has been in the shell roughly 2x longer than Celesia for the same Northland AF, assuming that Demir has better attendance, which in this case he does. Funny enough though Demir has already won Xarcabard AF so when Xarcabard AF does happen to drop again Celesia has a chance of obtaining AF in Xarcabard when it drops.
Perfect has only 3 people lotting for SAM AF Relic with Demir on Tier 1 since he's been in the shell since Day 1 which was in May 2005. The other 2 SAM's (1 being Celesia) are in Tier 2 and have joined around midway through the shell.
Basically as of right now the current situation is not in Celesia's favor at the moment. I'm sure Celesia's a nice person but given his/her actions I don't see any arguments that can support Celesia's side.
Arien said:
The problem is, like usual, you are interpreting a flaw out of the things I've said by misunderstanding me, and then latching onto it like a dog with rabbies.
The comment I said begins here.
You remember that Paladin of mine you leveled up in the same group?
I didn't say static. I didn't say party. I said group, meaning generation. Which as we both know, is true. You challenged that we ever partied together, I disagreed, and all Iv'e said was, we've had a few parties together. This much is true.
Arien said:
>>
Firestreak said:
Arien said:
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Hmmm... this sounds to me like you're questioning my in game skill. I'm sorry, thanks for playing bullshit, try again.
Arien said:
My declaration was I can expert enough in gods fights to look at a fight and declare if a wipe will occur or not at a certain point. You mocked that ability.
This is a loaded comment, just like before if you came in saying...
"Oh so Underworld NA AREN'T going to kick this af2 thief?"
There's more in the meaning than simply what you say, there are implications invovled by any reasonable knowing person. You think you can just run around hinting at shit and then try and argue you never said it? Ho he hum. I don't think so.
Arien said:
You're pissing me off. Stupid people have that effect on me.
Arien said:
No I think out of anyone in this argument, Yanzi is the one coming off as the dullest with some of his crazy assertions. I'm starting to think, maybe he really is dumb enough to have insulted and/or accussed a linkshell without even knowing.
Arien said:
This is not the first time you've brought this up... but this argument is just... well... weird?
Where did I say you should leave sky? I never said I was there first so I own it. In fact when people on this board actually had the gall to tell others NOT to start a sky linkshell cause sky is "all full" I called them out on the bullshit. All I said was being that we have no hands on experience with the other's experience up in sky, it's rather foolish to just assume you know more than someone more expertise. Where is this "Sky is mine, get out of here!" argument coming from? I never said this. You need to make more shit up to argue with me?
Arien said:
I think you better start diggin', buddy. Cause til you find a post of me showing any inferior FF playing skill or even FF related judgement(all this social bullshit is debatable until the end of time), I'm gonna harp on this point because you made a claim and you seriously can't back it up.
Have a nice day. :smile:
I'm really not going to just let it slide. Not just on this post, but til the end of time. Until you either admit you were wrong and you can't find any post, or you show me a link to backup your claim, I'm all over you about this. Whenever I see you posting on any flameboard discussion... I'm going to jump in, and I'm gonna ask you...
"Where's the links, buddy? Where's the links?"
You partying in Boyahda tree? I walk by you...
"Where's the links buddy? Where's the links?"
Either fucking show me a link, or grow a pair of balls and admit you made that point up entirely.
"Where's the links, buddy? Where's the links?"
You partying in Boyahda tree? I walk by you...
"Where's the links buddy? Where's the links?"
Either fucking show me a link, or grow a pair of balls and admit you made that point up entirely.
Fire, why do you keep doing this to yourself? Not a damn thing in that previous post made a bit of sense. I give up on you man. Did you read the same article that Peregrine read in arguing over the internet? Cause that crap you just spit out was useless nonsense. You obviously don't see the same things that most people see when they read things. What goes through your feeble little mind I have no idea. One can only hope that you get some type of help. Maybe take a self-confidence class or something? I don't know.
But anyway, I don't really see you having made any headway here. You haven't proven me a thief or associated with thieves, while Yanzi is still deep in the hypocrite zone, although he tries to hide from it in Antarctica and/or the moon.
These tangents have gotten so out of hand we forget what they are linked to.
I say Yanzi is a hypocrite to condemn thieves because he will be in a LS with one.
Yanzi says he is not a theif because he is responsible for his linkshell as much as a person is for his country.
>>> Several pages of bickering, disproven.
You say I am associated with thieves as well because of disagreements as to what constitutes a wipe.
>> Common sense says unrecoverable. You take a cheap shot, as your retort. Unfortunately it has no real merit on the actual argument, just the cheap shot itself, although it now by denying your cheap shot as 'meaning anything' you actually concede your original point, and when we go back to the argument over wipe/not, I explain why it is and you say basically nothing.
Therefore your tangent over I am as bad as Yanzi is over.
Whcih means pretty much I've proven all my main points pretty damn well.
These tangents have gotten so out of hand we forget what they are linked to.
I say Yanzi is a hypocrite to condemn thieves because he will be in a LS with one.
Yanzi says he is not a theif because he is responsible for his linkshell as much as a person is for his country.
>>> Several pages of bickering, disproven.
You say I am associated with thieves as well because of disagreements as to what constitutes a wipe.
>> Common sense says unrecoverable. You take a cheap shot, as your retort. Unfortunately it has no real merit on the actual argument, just the cheap shot itself, although it now by denying your cheap shot as 'meaning anything' you actually concede your original point, and when we go back to the argument over wipe/not, I explain why it is and you say basically nothing.
Therefore your tangent over I am as bad as Yanzi is over.
Whcih means pretty much I've proven all my main points pretty damn well.
Sounds like someone is a bit testy today. :crazy: How many times do I have you tell you that I did not bring into question your ability to play this game????? Can you not fucking read? Did you not read my last post or did you just cut it up and start quoting it?? Why do I have to dig up every thread that you make an ass out of yourself when it's plainly in sight in this thread? Yea I don't. And I'm not. Cause you keep doing it, no sense in bringing up all the instances in the past just because I mentioned them. If all you have to hold onto is that one comment by me then I wish you luck, cause that isn't going to win you any awards.
Lets look at this quote with major points in bold:
Now, you tell me who comes off looking like the ass. Make sure that finger is pointing at yourself. Or at least be looking in a mirror when you start pointing.
Firestreak said:
Lets look at this quote with major points in bold:
Voltorb said:
Now, you tell me who comes off looking like the ass. Make sure that finger is pointing at yourself. Or at least be looking in a mirror when you start pointing.
Let's examine the chain of events in this thread.
I make a argument that Yanzi is a hypocrite, I have a solid reasoning, although you may agree or disagree with it, the base is still solid.
We go off in two directions to combat my argument.
1. Yanzi trying to draw a comparison between linkshells and countries in an attempt to exonerate himself. I don't simply let him win because... his argument is STUPID.
2. You try and draw a comparison between stealing a scorpion harness and taking over a fight off of wiping LS, that already has like 50+ of arguing and an actual conclusion and agreement at the end. I defend because this is a limp and weak argument to be heading in. You persist, you question my knowledge, I respond with a common sense reason why that's stupid. We bicker over the questioning of my knowledge.
The question I have is... when are you going to fucking get back to the subject? Don't act like I'm the one pulling this away, you're the one making this ridiculous arguments. Why don't you get back to trying to disprove Yanzi as a hypocrite?
I make a argument that Yanzi is a hypocrite, I have a solid reasoning, although you may agree or disagree with it, the base is still solid.
We go off in two directions to combat my argument.
1. Yanzi trying to draw a comparison between linkshells and countries in an attempt to exonerate himself. I don't simply let him win because... his argument is STUPID.
2. You try and draw a comparison between stealing a scorpion harness and taking over a fight off of wiping LS, that already has like 50+ of arguing and an actual conclusion and agreement at the end. I defend because this is a limp and weak argument to be heading in. You persist, you question my knowledge, I respond with a common sense reason why that's stupid. We bicker over the questioning of my knowledge.
The question I have is... when are you going to fucking get back to the subject? Don't act like I'm the one pulling this away, you're the one making this ridiculous arguments. Why don't you get back to trying to disprove Yanzi as a hypocrite?
Firestreak said:
Any chance of having a lie of the year category?
You haven't proven a single thing. Not one thing. Not to anybody. Other than the fact that you put yourself on this high pedestal and believe that the people associated with you are completely innocent of thievery. This my little taru friend, is what makes you look bad. Maybe you should step back and revaluate yourself before you throw stones at other people.
Redone to make the quote work. :|