celesia is a thief

[Voltorb]

Because the title of the is "celesia is a thief". If you want to argue with Arien and Yanzi go start on another thread. This thread isn't about "Yanzi is a hypocrite". If you start on another thread in relation with the topic pertaining to Yanzi and Arien i'll gladly join. Until then i'm heading to class and be back later tonight. If you have read closely to others responding to the thread others have also believe this thread has de-railed. Since you have made an argument and it leads off into different directions that means this thread has been de-railed.

 

[Ronith]

sorry to hear, did he at least get booted from the LS? or punished there-after?

 

[Ronith]

err. he/she* sorry

 

[Arien]

Because the title of the is "celesia is a thief". If you want to argue with Arien and Yanzi go start on another thread. This thread isn't about "Yanzi is a hypocrite". If you start on another thread in relation with the topic pertaining to Yanzi and Arien i'll gladly join. Until then i'm heading to class and be back later tonight. If you have read closely to others responding to the thread others have also believe this thread has de-railed. Since you have made an argument and it leads off into different directions that means this thread has been de-railed.

Not a bad idea Voltorb. I'm about done with this guy anyway, all he does is pat himself on the back and believe that everything he says is always right.

 

[Firestreak]

Any chance of having a lie of the year category?

You haven't proven a single thing. Not one thing. Not to anybody. Other than the fact that you put yourself on this high pedestal and believe that the people associated with you are completely innocent of thievery. This my little taru friend, is what makes you look bad. Maybe you should step back and revaluate yourself before you throw stones at other people.

Laur explain to me any of your arguments against me that have been actually proven?

All I can see your hopes resting on is this logic.

>My argument resides on the fact that I don't associate with thieves.

>You believe a thievery has taken place.

Now we've argued for 5 pages about if we ever partied together, or who has been in sky longer. But you've forgetten one thing, you forgot to prove the theivery.

I went straight for the heart of your argument, you've been attacking points that have NO RELEVANCE. I could have never seen you before in game once, it doesn't change if that Kirin was stealing or not, and more importantly, it doesn't change that OH and BOL have LOOOONGGGGGG come to terms with that and reaches a consensus.

You can try and make me look like an ass all you want. I'll still be right and you'll still be wrong. I can live with that.

 

[Firestreak]

Because the title of the is "celesia is a thief". If you want to argue with Arien and Yanzi go start on another thread. This thread isn't about "Yanzi is a hypocrite". If you start on another thread in relation with the topic pertaining to Yanzi and Arien i'll gladly join. Until then i'm heading to class and be back later tonight. If you have read closely to others responding to the thread others have also believe this thread has de-railed. Since you have made an argument and it leads off into different directions that means this thread has been de-railed.

There's very little meat to any argument over if Celesia is a thief or not. Obviously, this is true. Nobody has argued this fact. Celesia isn't going to post here. This argument doesn't change if Celesia is a thief or not but... at least it keeps the topic topped for all LS leaders to read.

Rest of this stuff is mostly bullshit, only bored people with nothing else to do are going to actually read this far in anyway...

 

[Mishaela]

Celesia stole SAM Relic - This is the topic
Yanzi is a hypocrite - True or not, that's not the point of this thread. Drop it.
If blahblahblah social LS allows him, they must promote that kindof crap - If it's a social LS, then HNM LSes and crap aren't their business in the least. Drop it.
George Bush is a bad president - Drop it.
There's sand in my ice cream - Drop it.

Get the pattern? Any of the crap other than what Celesia did is irrevilent garbage that would be much better off made in an entirely new thread or something. This isn't just a derailing, it's a sixty-car train wreck.

 

[yanzi]

1 I did produce a link showing you supporting Dua.

Yanzi played when the shit went down. Yanzi cheered this fucker on for robbing another LS.

a thread on ballista does not equal "cheering this fucker on for robbing another LS". try again when you actually have a thread pls.

2. Considering that me and Laur have never fought any gods together...

Consider-

1. The only information we can both know is I've been in sky far longer than him.

and thus you know all POSSIBLE situations and all POSSBILE outcomes? you assume that just because you never did some situation this or if you never recovered from some situation that, that is how any given situation will end. you're wrong.

2. Laur assumes his expertise in sky fights, admitted by you, not terribly difficult, is superior.

so you two are equal in expertise then, since there is a finite amount of knowledge gainable. so what?

Now the problem with your logical fallicy link is there seem to be common sense conditions in which someone can in fact, claim to authority. Unlike in real life, I can't say, have a Phd in Kirin wipe scenarios. But I fight Kirin 100 times, I can experiences wipes with a variety of different LSes, I can experience recoveries. I can witness the situations in which such things are possible and the situations in which things are not possible. I know how long it takes for Kirin to pop summons, and I know how long it takes for raise affects to clear. I know the path in which Kirin and its pops take without hate and I know where you have to be to be raised from that path. I know what jobs can kite kirin and I know what jobs can't.

Knowing all these things, I can look at a situation and say, "this right here, is a wipe." And if you recovered from such a situation, then I know, somehow, your situation was different in some way. You had different jobs up. The jobs you needed raised died in more convieniant spots, you still had enough people alive at critical points.

So yes, I deem myself expert. Because to me, it's all rather simple. Just like I can say, I deem myself expert at operating my remote control. If it doesn't flip the channel, the batteries are dead. It requires new batteries. Whatever modes it has to be in, I know these modes. What direction it has to face, I know this direction. It's been 20 months since I replaced those batteries.I hit that button. No click? I must be an expert.

again, you only assume a certain path out of many possibilities. the only way you have credibility is to say that you were in that situation before and OH > BOL.

 

[yanzi]

Have a nice day. :smile:

i do when i see my thread grows a little overnight, and firestreak leaves me love notes.

 

[Kat]

i do when i see my thread grows a little overnight, and firestreak leaves me love notes.

Awwww, that's so sweet^^. Time for hugs and to make up now boys^^.

 

[Firestreak]

a thread on ballista does not equal "cheering this fucker on for robbing another LS". try again when you actually have a thread pls.

I didn't say you cheered his robbery on. I said you cheered him in general. All the members of UnderworldNA seem to agree the actual stealing of the AF2 body was bad, don't see anyone cheering that shit on.

and thus you know all POSSIBLE situations and all POSSBILE outcomes? you assume that just because you never did some situation this or if you never recovered from some situation that, that is how any given situation will end. you're wrong.

No I don't know all possible outcomes. But I can distinguish between two outcomes, which are wipe or win. There are many different outcomes in which they could have wiped and only one outcome in which they could have win. That being, our people who were still around help them.

This is probably what should have happened, but didn't because, quite frankly we were already angry at each other for the time slot disturbance.

This time disturbance is really what pissed off most BoL members most of all, because feeling pressure for the ??? they popped it when they weren't all ready. I can understand and sympathize with this.

so you two are equal in expertise then, since there is a finite amount of knowledge gainable. so what?

I never try and say I am MORE knowledgeable than Laur. I could be, I could not be. Beats the hell out of me. No way to really know that. I just said, yeah, I've been up there a long time, I know a wipe.

again, you only assume a certain path out of many possibilities. the only way you have credibility is to say that you were in that situation before and OH > BOL.

BoL has vastly improved since the time this occured. At the point of this incedent they'd only beaten one Kirin out of many attempts. From screenshots of shouts their own members didn't seem to have much confidence as well. So while I'm not going to say OH > BOL, I'll simply say, they couldn't then but... 'BoL Now > BoL Then' in terms of Kirin killing ability. Which is natural because of experience.

 

[yanzi]

Let's examine the chain of events in this thread.

I make a argument that Yanzi is a hypocrite, I have a solid reasoning, although you may agree or disagree with it, the base is still solid.

We go off in two directions to combat my argument.

1. Yanzi trying to draw a comparison between linkshells and countries in an attempt to exonerate himself. I don't simply let him win because... his argument is STUPID.

about as stupid as you claiming i cheered dua on for stealing the SH.

Why don't you get back to trying to disprove Yanzi as a hypocrite?

ok, i'm sorry, maybe i should have worded the topic as this "congratulations on your theft celesia, i'm sure the LS condones it, so please stay and steal some more."

 

[Firestreak]

I don't see either of us making any more signifigant ground in this argument, we both might as well just stop unless you want to repeat the same stuff over again. Your call.

 

[yanzi]

Awwww, that's so sweet^^. Time for hugs and to make up now boys^^.

can i get cookies and milk? :biggrin:

 

[yanzi]

I didn't say you cheered his robbery on. I said you cheered him in general.

Yanzi played when the shit went down. Yanzi cheered this fucker on for robbing another LS.

I don't see either of us making any more signifigant ground in this argument, we both might as well just stop unless you want to repeat the same stuff over again. Your call.

why stop? i love to repeat things over and over.

 

[Arien]

I never try and say I am MORE knowledgeable than Laur.

No offense but I've been up in sky probably before you started your first character. I was up in sky with Villarel on the original linkshell which died twice and reformed twice to become the one you go to sky in, so don't take my opinion on the matter too lightly.

And you were refering to what here? And in the SAME thread. LMFAO.

 

[yanzi]

why stop? i love to repeat things over and over.

I didn't say we were static, I said we leveled together, a few times, sprinkled throughout a fairly wide level range in random pickup parties.

I didn't say static. I didn't say party. I said group, meaning generation.

how lame. i responded to myself. :nono:

 

[Firestreak]

And you were refering to what here? And in the SAME thread. LMFAO.

I didn't say I was MORE knowledgable than you. You were the one who inferred you were more knowledgeable than me. I said don't take my opinion on such matters too lightly.

As for Yanzi, only one thread where I can search for actual direct support, so this wil be the reason this response is so delayed. It's 80+ pages.

I honestly tried to look through it, got about halfway in and I am going to have to give up on that. You have a point, if you ever directly supported his stealing, I don't have a link to back that up. You supported him, so I'll have to say when I originally said you support his action of stealing I was wrong, but I you still did support him.

 

[Firestreak]

Originally Posted by firestreak
I didn't say static. I didn't say party. I said group, meaning generation.

That's right, on my original post I said we were among the same group, I was pertaining to the generation. I never said we partied together. But it is true, we partied together at least a few times.

He responded by saying "I was never staticed with you, GTFO".

My case was not that we partied together often, my case was that we were of the same generation as far as my paladin and his black mage. Your attempts to show inaccuracy is based on misleadingly taking sentences out of context and displaying them in an incorrect chronological order. I never said we partied together, but I never said we DIDN'T party together. When he makes the claim we didn't, I correct.

It's a pretty lame way to try and trump up an inconsistancy.

 

[Firestreak]

Since that last post may by potentionally confusing, I'll take another stab at it in case I lost anyone.

1. I say, we are of the same generation.

2. Laur says, we never staticed together, we never partied together, GTFO.

3. I saiid, I didn't say we staticed or partied together, I said we were of the same generation

4. Laur says we never partied together yet again.

5. I say, actually, yes we did party together a few random times splrinked out of a wide level range.

Yanzi grabs my quote saying, "We did party together."
Yanzi grabs my quote saying, "I never said we partied together."

I the time I never said it, I'D NEVER SAID IT. I didn't say I would never say it.

Reversing the order is misleading, in an attempt to show me of having said something that wasn't true, when I hadn't.