Changing Sky NM to ex/ra

[Mirewen]

Giving the stones ex status would be an awful idea. there are many situations in which a hunt for stones will not result in getting a complete pair, and the person who gets the first stone cannot be there for the second hunt where its accompanying stone is dropped. Furthermore, many people put their stones on mules to save inventory space until the actual event happens.

Exactly what I was going to say.

 

[Bustaballs]

All they need to do is lower the pop time for Ulli. He's the only one anyone bitches about anyways.

 

[imbris]

Or your linkshell could just NOT suck and claim the NM's..

sorry to say it, but i think that sums it up

 

[delsus]

Make Uli pop by giving a item and it pops like the winterstone nm (not been in SKY in ages so might got wrong stone) simple

Or give fine the person who makes GM dave blog and make him a real gm

 

[Sphene]

As to whome is buying the ulli drops, there are 3 Japanese linkshells
that currently have contracts with the RMT groups up in sky, and several
NA linkshells have purchased them from RMT bazaars increasing the
demand for more stones. This is causing the RMT companies to fight
among one another for the Ulli drops.
Currently there are 24 RMT characters working to unlock sky to
directly compete with the ones already there.
(they are from diffrent mother companies)
There is an intrepid 3 groups are attempting Promvains
to hunt the NMs in Lufiase meadows(sp?)

 

[Excim]

Currently there are 24 RMT characters working to unlock sky to
directly compete with the ones already there.
(they are from diffrent mother companies)
There is an intrepid 3 groups are attempting Promvains
to hunt the NMs in Lufiase meadows(sp?)

I know it's been a while, but weren't there already a large handful of RMT's in both those areas mentioned? So... there would be like a ton more now...? Or did I miss some good old SE perma-banning?

 

[Dowzer]

As to whome is buying the ulli drops, there are 3 Japanese linkshells
that currently have contracts with the RMT groups up in sky, and several
NA linkshells have purchased them from RMT bazaars increasing the
demand for more stones. This is causing the RMT companies to fight
among one another for the Ulli drops.
Currently there are 24 RMT characters working to unlock sky to
directly compete with the ones already there.
(they are from diffrent mother companies)
There is an intrepid 3 groups are attempting Promvains
to hunt the NMs in Lufiase meadows(sp?)

And while not hunting those NMs, I'm sure they'll start farming regular drop items from certain monsters there too. There goes mine and countless others money maker -,-

 

[Mishaela]

This is a pretty bad idea, for reasons already stated, but it additionally wouldn't stop RMT. They already offer to let people lot R/EX drops like AJ and Joeyeuse for (x) gil so I'm more than sure they'd happily do same with Winterstone, and if they don't already, Haidates and N. Hands.

 

[Blackmagik]

Umm... the RMTers bazaar stone for 7.5mil... 7mil lowest i think ><

 

[Stouter]

So when they become rare/ex, the RMT just kill byakko and sell the Haidates to people that don't want to do sky, and sell his seal to ls's that want to do kirin, phail.

I say just make ulli a 4 hour pop again.

 

[Mishaela]

So when they become rare/ex, the RMT just kill byakko and sell the Haidates to people that don't want to do sky, and sell his seal to ls's that want to do kirin, phail.

I say just make ulli a 4 hour pop again.

They really should...I mean wasn't Ulli's timer originally made all crappy to make it so there wasn't an overcrowding in the Kirin room, back when he took a few hours for LSes to kill? Now that LSes kill him 3x+ faster than they used to, the chances of the room getting crowded is virtually nil...sad to say either SE still hasn't figured this out, or just enjoys watching us squirm.

 

[Romper]

For anyone that was spent there time up in sky they see rmt up there farming the items that us the endgame people need to get the gear we need to advance in other aspects of the game that most of us want to achieve...There is no reason why rmt should be up at ulli and at other NM that most of us need for gear....If they want to farm these items and actually fight these mobs is one thing but for them to be up there gettting claims against veteran linkshells is not called for; they are there just for gil the gear dropped from these pop items are not a concern to them...ex/ra is a great way to get rid of these ppl up in sky who dont fight these gods at all....there just there for gil and are making ppl who been playing this game for many years angry....An easy solution is to change all the stones to ex/ra, they can keep the seals from the gods the same so u can trade to the person to pop kirin....If these rmt want to pop kirin and fight the gods is one thing but they are just there for gil.......I have no problem to compete against rmt on other mobs but they dont care about the gear or other objects dropped from gods.....If SE wants this game to continue on u need to keep the veteran players interested in the game and keep rmt out of sky....I'm not the only person who feels like this and to me this isnt a bad solution for a growing problem for those who actually spend many days up in sky....rmt has no place sky in my eyes.....serket, bune and many other mobs are fair game but they should not be hindering the progress of linkshells and the goals they set....I've seen countless veteran linkshells lose claims to these ppl who have no objective but gil.......maybe im wrong but fuck it I dont feel like I am:rtfm:

I've been saying this but it wont happen. I have said it since well since I did sky then quit sky because its lame.

 

[Sphene]

As unpopular as this will make me...
RMT does serve a purpose. as stated above they can be a tremendous
time saver, why stand around loosing claim on something for
hours upon hours when you can pool money from your
Sky linkshell for the Ulli stone, 7,000,000 Divided 18+++ ways
for the alliance to fight Byakko is rougly 300K a head (23 people)
for some of the more well to do linkshells or business people thats
money well spent when you could be out meriting or whatever.

The same goes for regular NM/HNMs some of these bad boys
have a flat out awfull drop rate, but the RMTs are always there camping
They have a better chance of getting that drop. (law of averages
says the more you camp the higher the likelyhood of a drop)
Again, why spend hours camping something that has a god awfull
drop rate when you could simply farm something that has a less
high dollar drop and make the money to buy the item
in small bits rather in one big chunk.
Yes this means you have to shell out your hard earned Gil to
get these items, but what good is 80 biznillion gil if you dont
use it for the things you want/need?

This is only one possible alternative, the other is to camp it your
self. On a long enough time line you will get everything that you want,
some day the RMTs bots may fail or thier connection will wane,
or you will just be randomly standing in the right place when the NM
spawns on top of you, any number of a million things
can happen allowing you to claim/kill.

One thing though, think of it as a word of advice, do not
underestimate the RMT. They are not dumb/stupid, they
camp NMs for a living, they know spawn windows and
not all of them simply bum rush big baddies. A lot of the notable
faces that camp day in and day out are on oposite sides of the
RMT table, so they dont just compete against us but also
against one another.

As for an idea of how to fix Ulli. Let ulli spawn in any way
it wants to with the same drop rate. However, for those that
want to get the drop but not wast the hours camping. Make
a BCNM/KSNM battle avalible to the players that can not
devote hours and in some cases days to camping for a pop item.
Even fix the BCNM/KSNM to drop Multiple stones (Say 5 stones for
a group of 12).
With both Ulli droping a single stone and a BCNM/KSNM
dropping multiplestones, the ones RMT or other asshats
are selling will lose almost all value.

 

[Gannon]

My God Sphene, you really need to stop defending the RMT. -_-

 

[Sphene]

How exactly am I "defending" anyone or anything?
did you even read my whole post?
I stated the obvious and well known facts.

 

[xRiokox]

Sphene, I have to say I disagree with you.^^;

Sky should be done to have fun... to be with friends, to work as a team, to really enjoy doing gods. Why did you get sky for then? just to see how gilsellers get the claim either cheating or not, and stay there 24/7, just to buy their stuff? Why did you get sky for then if you're gonna farm gil to pay them for the items? =P What was all the hard work doing Zilart missions just to buy the items off the RMT? Of course they have a "better" chance to drop, since they are there 24/7 and get most claims , since they might be botting most likely. =\ You have to be REALLY lucky if you want a claim. It's just not fair. And of course they are not stupid, but people who buy the items because they gave up (and I can't blame them really) are the stupid ones, really...

RMT does serve a purpose. as stated above they can be a tremendous
time saver, why stand around loosing claim on something for
hours upon hours when you can pool money from your
Sky linkshell for the Ulli stone, 7,000,000 Divided 18+++ ways
for the alliance to fight Byakko is rougly 300K a head (23 people)
for some of the more well to do linkshells or business people thats
money well spent when you could be out meriting or whatever.

With gilsellers there, your chances of claim aren't that much(come on, with all the RMT companies camping as you say, they would be stupid not to use bots to claim =p) , That'd be a different story if they weren't there. I don't see how they can be a time saver, honestly. So let's let the gilsellers do their dirty work and keep the cycle going on? Not the best idea. We pay SE to play... not to feed RMT.^^; Just my opinion though, Sphene.

 

[Sphene]

I both understand and respect your position on the matter
and am quite pleased to see a detailed and thoughtful response
to the opinion I have expressed.
I respect the business mentality of the RMT groups.
The RMT companies have done what all real world business does,
they found a need (for Ulli stones) and have filled that need.

However, at the present time there is only a few things
that the player base within the game can do.
All of the sky linkshells that I know of all have the same policies
when dealing with the RMTs (grief them/mpk them/ steal)
That needs to stop, there needs to be an actual serious
group effort put forth by all Sky linkshells both NA and JP.
1) Do not buy the stones/seals/Osode/ect... from ANYONE
2) When witnessing the RMT at work everyone must make
a [GM]Call (yea I know its troublesome) but it is the only way to get
S.E. directly involved. I have spoken to [GM] staff before and been
told directly. The only way to make these people go away
is to put so many calls through the [GM] Desk that S.E. can
no longer turn a blind eye to the offenders.

I myself am no longer involved in Sky activity, I did not
find it to my liking. As I have said before if I wanted to be
surrounded by drama, I would call my family.
I will admit, I do have several friends within the RMT ranks
whom I cherish as I would any FFXI friend. However; I will
not forget those who have helped me to get where I am now,
and I will not forget their wants and desires.
I will remain out of sky and not take either side in the matter,
though I will offer suggestions to both sides.
Perhaps in so doing a sort of unusual co-existence can one
day happen where NA and JP players stand next to RMT players.
The money can be split and the Rare/Ex items can go to who
needs them. This is simply how things would work in perfect world,
I make it a habit not to step on the hopes and dreams of others
so I would ask anyone who reads this to show me the same
courtesy.

 

[Mishaela]

As unpopular as this will make me...
RMT does serve a purpose. as stated above they can be a tremendous
time saver, why stand around loosing claim on something for
hours upon hours when you can pool money from your
Sky linkshell for the Ulli stone

Nope. Because if the RMT weren't there, it'd be our stone to begin with.

The same goes for regular NM/HNMs some of these bad boys
have a flat out awfull drop rate, but the RMTs are always there camping
They have a better chance of getting that drop. (law of averages
says the more you camp the higher the likelyhood of a drop)

Again, nope. There is no "you're destined to get (x) drop off an NM because you've killed it (x) times". Someone else could have gotten every single claim RMT would have and gotten no drops, or maybe have gotten two or three times as many drops. =/

Again, why spend hours camping something that has a god awfull
drop rate when you could simply farm something that has a less
high dollar drop and make the money to buy the item
in small bits rather in one big chunk.

This has nothing to do with RMT, moreso just an actual game standard. It's obvious has the light of day that rarer stuff is more expensive and cheaper, less expensive stuff is more common. People go for the pricier stuff at times because if luck is on their side, they'll get it quickly and save time over spending alot of time going after the cheap stuff.

(skipping alot of quotation)

As for an idea of how to fix Ulli. Let ulli spawn in any way
it wants to with the same drop rate. However, for those that
want to get the drop but not wast the hours camping. Make
a BCNM/KSNM battle avalible to the players that can not
devote hours and in some cases days to camping for a pop item.
Even fix the BCNM/KSNM to drop Multiple stones (Say 5 stones for
a group of 12).
With both Ulli droping a single stone and a BCNM/KSNM
dropping multiplestones, the ones RMT or other asshats
are selling will lose almost all value.

They could do this to several horribly camped NMs, the problem is if results in some other valued items' values depreciating badly. If you can get god pop sets off of KS30s, you're potentially generating Behemoth Hides, V Claws, D Logs (etc) at a very high drop rate...for only 30KS. While I wouldn't mind the price drop on some of the items, Still goes to say that SE would virtually never even consider this idea for that very reason. =/





*edit* Didn't notice...Redrocksbum, they do care about sky gear. I saw a JP's search comment offering to pay 10mil to buy Haidate last week, I'm sure RMT jumped right on that.

 

[hellstorm]

sorry to say it, but i think that sums it up

i disagree it easier said then done. Ulli has large spawn area now and the rmt have a advantage because they know when and where it going to pop. Also while dropping it to 2-4 hours would help. It still will not solve the rmt problem. It would just be like sea serpent grotto.

 

[Khajit]

ok so 300k a peice for 30 people for :
B. haidate
Shura haidate
n hands
A G.axe never used in EXP although it might have a slightly higher chance with the sam update.
Behemoth hide
A realatively low chance of a D ingot.

Everything else is technically a crap drop with the new gar availiable ect.

Priority on those items tends to be war nin mnk.
Behemoth hide and D ingot arent worth enough money to justify the cost of paying a gilseller 7 mil to repeatedly farm the drops since you could speng the money spent on pops to get the gear made from them(assuming everyone gets one equally eventually) 2-6+ times over.

N. hands for hume are great but we at least have rse gloves which are kinda close enough to make getting N feet a bigger priortity for a job that can use them
Mnk and sam use shura for WS unless theres some other leg peice ive not heard about or forgottten..
B haidate is the main thing everyone is after. Cant say anything even remotely bad about these. their stats are blatantly ridiculous.

Now Would you be willing to pay 300k + gear + random medicines if you use any(opo-necklace)+ time wasted fighting something that has no benefit to you if you werent any of the jobs that could wear or get b haidate or the good abjurations for some random scmuck that stands a chance of ditching if they get an osode with the kirin pop set afterwards?(sad but true but I keep on hearing about people ditching after osode and haidate being a common occurence)
To top that off you get to feel the shame of realizing you helped out the gilsellers and are now no better than a gilbuyer or at least nearly on the same level.

Do you really think that a bunch of people should be forking over thier cash for something they could rightfully earn if they have the skill to compete legitimately vs other non RMT players and to top it off theyre spending it on someone other than themselves. Shelling out hundreds of thousands of gil to wait in line for a single item every time you want to experience a god fight is not what sky is about.
The fact that people apparently have contracts with gilsellers is disgusting.
If you are out paying gilsellers to do shit for you or for items in this game from desperation or because they have a monopoly you honestly should quit.
The point of this game is for us to have fun and to make the game developers money. It is not to make some other person rich in real life through effectively blackmailing the fun out of a game we should be enjoying.
Did I mention the owner of IGE is a child molester? Why are you giving him money to live better than you and possibly continue his "lifestle" with the lawyers to keep him out of jail for years. Your helping a person expliot the poor.
At least sneaker companies give you nice shoes and sports companies give you a ball to play with after they expliot the poor. Gilsellers essentially sell you the ball then clusterfuck the ball away from your own games you play with it while charging you for using the ball now covered in their "evil seed" and feces. We would all (by "all" I mean non golseller dependents)be much better without em.