Clear Mind

[ds083roadkill]

few questions pertaining to this trait and stacks with what.

1) the combo of soporific and poison breath to attain clear mind I, dose this stack with clear mind I from blm15? has anyone tested?

2) dose clear mind (of any teir) start as soon as you recive the first tick of mp recovery (which i think is 20 seconds into healing, right?)

3) whats jobs clear mind stacks with others? thats always been fuzzy with me

ty for replies

 

[Tyrath]

I have no idea but you can easily test it by trying each combo and keeping track of how much mp you regain ;x

 

[ds083roadkill]

i would but i'm missing smn and dont have acess to IV and V CM.

plus i asked question 2 so i wouldnt know how to count correctly :wacko:

 

[CmdrFly]

1) the combo of soporific and poison breath to attain clear mind I, dose this stack with clear mind I from blm15? has anyone tested?

Clear Mind I will never stack with Clear Mind I. Thus, a blu40/blm20 will only see CM1 at most, from either that combo or the subjob.

2) dose clear mind (of any teir) start as soon as you recive the first tick of mp recovery (which i think is 20 seconds into healing, right?)

Yes.

3) whats jobs clear mind stacks with others? thats always been fuzzy with me

Clear Mind II will stack with Clear Mind I, Clear Mind III will stack with Clear Mind II and I, etc. Example, BLM75 gets what... Clear Mind XVII? Whatever their highest CM is, they will never gain higher CM from subbing anything, since they already have all the CM traits and any magey subjob will offer CM traits that the blm already has.

Follows the same pattern as below:

WAR gets Attack Bonus I at 30 I believe.
DRK gets Attack Bonus I at 10, II at 30 iirc.

30WAR/DRK will only have ABI.
30DRK/WAR will have ABI & ABII.

Do I suck at explaining? I thought so.

 

[ds083roadkill]

nah i kinda got the jist of it, thx^^

 

[rukkia]

Clear Mind I will never stack with Clear Mind I. Thus, a blu40/blm20 will only see CM1 at most, from either that combo or the subjob.


Yes.


Clear Mind II will stack with Clear Mind I, Clear Mind III will stack with Clear Mind II and I, etc. Example, BLM75 gets what... Clear Mind XVII? Whatever their highest CM is, they will never gain higher CM from subbing anything, since they already have all the CM traits and any magey subjob will offer CM traits that the blm already has.

Follows the same pattern as below:

WAR gets Attack Bonus I at 30 I believe.
DRK gets Attack Bonus I at 10, II at 30 iirc.

30WAR/DRK will only have ABI.
30DRK/WAR will have ABI & ABII.

Do I suck at explaining? I thought so.

it's like your words fell out of your mouth all at once. but i kind of get it ^_^

 

[CmdrFly]

it's like your words fell out of your mouth all at once. but i kind of get it ^_^

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[Elixer]

Hmm.. okay. Multi-tier traits do not stack at all. Instead, they overwrite as you gain a better one. Therefore, a WHM35/BLM17 will not have Clear Mind I and Clear Mind II, but will only have Clear Mind II. Same goes for Attack Bonus. Each upgrade of the trait raises the character's Attack by 10 points. Therefore, Attack Bonus II gives +20 to Attack.
In regards to the higher tier Clear Minds (IV and V)... Clear Mind IV: SMN60, BLM60, WHM65, BLU68.. Clear Mind V: SMN70, BLU71, BLM75
And the Clear Mind bonuses to hMP begin at the very first tick, with CMI giving +15 at first and +1 each one after (i.e. +15, +16, etc). CMII gives +18, with +1 again. CMIII gives +21 with +2 after (i.e. +21, +23, etc). CMIV gives +24 with +2. And CMV gives +27 with +3 after (i.e. +27, +30, etc).
Slightly technical in response, but I hope I helped in 'clearing' a few things up. ^^;

 

[CmdrFly]

Hmm.. okay. Multi-tier traits do not stack at all. Instead, they overwrite as you gain a better one. Therefore, a WHM35/BLM17 will not have Clear Mind I and Clear Mind II, but will only have Clear Mind II. Same goes for Attack Bonus. Each upgrade of the trait raises the character's Attack by 10 points. Therefore, Attack Bonus II gives +20 to Attack.

Close... but higher-level traits will stack with lower-level traits. Well, I can't verify that for Clear Mind, but (unless this has changed recently) Attack Bonus II (+11) will stack with Attack Bonus I (+10) for a total of +21. Add in AB3 (+12) for a total of 33.

I would presume the same applies to Clear Mind, but I haven't tested it myself.

 

[Vilurum]

It's just a matter of semantics if you do it like that though. Going by your numbers, you could just as easily say that AB2 is +21, and replaces the +10 from AB1. It's merely a matter of whether you're referring to the cumulative effect or the incremental improvement, the result is the same thing either way.

 

[CmdrFly]

Another good point, and I'm not sure it can really be tested to prove otherwise. That's what I saw the most in my readings during the early levels, haven't really focussed much on it in the past year or two.

 

[Shaunessy]

Clear mind does not stack with anything trait wise. If it did then I would gain back all my MP in 2-3 ticks. Gear is the only way to improve it, HMP+ gear is the way to go in your rest macro, if you have one.