Comedy Central censors southpark after threats of violence.

Like all religious nut jobs they truly don't understand their religion. Islamic are suppose to be pacifists.

admitedly I don't know anything about Islam, but didn't the prophet Muhammed lead and army to take Mecca... doesn't sound so peaceful to me.
 
admitedly I don't know anything about Islam, but didn't the prophet Muhammed lead and army to take Mecca... doesn't sound so peaceful to me.

Christianity has similar claims, but many of the crusades were about taking back Jerusalem...yeah.
 
Christianity has similar claims, but many of the crusades were about taking back Jerusalem...yeah.

But Jesus didn't lead them. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Christians aren't going to go to war for what they believe, but the founder preached and practiced peace. As far as I can tell the same can't be said for Islam
 
Taken from BG. Not sure if this is real or not. I hope to god it is.

simpoj.jpg
 
Taken from BG. Not sure if this is real or not. I hope to god it is.

Just went to the fox website to watch the "latest" simpsons episodes to try and confirm, but it's still last week's. Try and check it tomorrow I guess.
 
Just went to the fox website to watch the "latest" simpsons episodes to try and confirm, but it's still last week's. Try and check it tomorrow I guess.

I DVR'd it, so I just queue'd it up and Maggie was already coming out of the bag, and I was like "awww" then I noticed a rerun of The Simpsons came on before it and so I fast forwarded it to the end >.> and yes it's totally true.
 
Dayner, I just want to offer an apology for any offense this whole thing causes you or your friends and family.

I'm not what anyone would really think of as a devout member of any particular faith, but I was raised in a Christian household and I consider myself a spiritual person; however, while it angers me on occasion to see things that a more convicted person would deem sacrilegious, we must all be ever mindful of the fact that no one's coming into anyone's house and painting offensive murals on the walls. It's on a television network that no one is forced to watch. It's a blazing example of the type of freedoms we enjoy. We're free to say pretty much what we want, and do what we want, and that includes the freedom to not tune in.

I'm sure that there are plenty of fundamentalist Christians that foam at the mouth at the mere mention of South Park, but the difference is that they know to draw the line well before murder, or even the threat of it. As a case in point, we had a fairly well-known nutcase of our own come just about as close as one can to publicly calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez without requesting it of the U.S. government in writing. Not only did this cost him a lot of respect in the eyes of his fellow Americans, it prompted an international stink that eventually led to him having to more or less recant and publicly apologize for his statement. The thing is, no legal force even had to step in and lean on Roberts to make him do this - he knew he'd crossed the line.

As a further case in point, those infrequent abortion clinic bombings we have always result in either someone's immediate incarceration or a years-long manhunt for those responsible. We here in the West find it inconceivable that a holy man could call for someone's death and yet remain a holy man.

I've heard more than one reference to the Westboro Baptist (ha ha) Church (BIGGER ha ha) in this thread, and I'd like to use their actions to draw a rather distinct line between their actions and those of the creators of "South Park". If the South Park guys ever show up at your friend's funeral and erect big screens so they can show you the cartoon they put together specifically to mock your friend's death, feel free to pummel them into the ground, otherwise have a cool enough head to either not watch Comedy Central when they might be on, go political and boycott the network altogether, or hey, here's a thought - be secure enough in your spirituality to understand that ultimately the only actions that should really concern you are your own in regards to how well they align with the tenets of your faith.

Our Constitution guarantees us a great many freedoms, but nowhere within that document will you find the right to not be offended. I just wish the people at Revolution Islam, and other holy book-thumping mad dog extremists like them, would take a close look at that document sometime. If they're not happy with its content, or don't find them at least tolerable, then I'd invite them to set up camp in the country of their choice.
 
Last edited:
I'm actually going to state this flat out, since I think it's fair to let it be known rather than have people assume that I'm playing my usual centrist position.

I will not apologize to Muslims for offending them on a religious level, because I find Islam offensive.

Let it be known that I feel much the same way about pretty much all branches of Monotheistic Yahweism, though Christianity gets a small pass for those who took Jesus at his word and basically threw out the Old Testament. Even then, the sanctimonious aspect of requiring people to accept Jesus as their savior still offends.

Do all religions offend me? No. There are a vanishing few that are what religions ought to be; a specific philosophical approach for the individual to interact with what they consider to be divine.

The key word is "individual". Not "giant world-spanning religious organization that has massive secular ambitions and commits a variety of foulness every day in the name of furthering itself".

Which is actually more or less how I define the word "Religion" to myself, as differentiated from "Faith".

In the case of Islam, of course, you've got a religion that divides the world up into its adherents, and people who will effectively be subjugated by its adherents. The closest thing you get to "live and let live" in an Islamic state is a sort of second-class citizen status, where you're still under Islamic law and pay a special tribute for the privilege, but you can at least practice your own religion.

In private.

In silence.

Without ever gathering in public.

In a building with no overt religious symbols.

And people wonder why I'm so fanatical about the separation of church and state.
 
I'm not religious at all and i find this pretty hateful and racist. Nuff said


I'm actually going to state this flat out, since I think it's fair to let it be known rather than have people assume that I'm playing my usual centrist position.

I will not apologize to Muslims for offending them on a religious level, because I find Islam offensive.

Let it be known that I feel much the same way about pretty much all branches of Monotheistic Yahweism, though Christianity gets a small pass for those who took Jesus at his word and basically threw out the Old Testament. Even then, the sanctimonious aspect of requiring people to accept Jesus as their savior still offends.

Do all religions offend me? No. There are a vanishing few that are what religions ought to be; a specific philosophical approach for the individual to interact with what they consider to be divine.

The key word is "individual". Not "giant world-spanning religious organization that has massive secular ambitions and commits a variety of foulness every day in the name of furthering itself".

Which is actually more or less how I define the word "Religion" to myself, as differentiated from "Faith".

In the case of Islam, of course, you've got a religion that divides the world up into its adherents, and people who will effectively be subjugated by its adherents. The closest thing you get to "live and let live" in an Islamic state is a sort of second-class citizen status, where you're still under Islamic law and pay a special tribute for the privilege, but you can at least practice your own religion.

In private.

In silence.

Without ever gathering in public.

In a building with no overt religious symbols.

And people wonder why I'm so fanatical about the separation of church and state.

With that said i was very disappointed in episode 201. I know we live in a world of fear but we should not be to the point to where we need to hide every time when someone says "MUHATMA were going to blow you up".
 
Methinks you need to go look up the definitions of "hateful" and "racist".

The proper descriptive words are "unapologetic" and "culturalist".

I don't hate religion. I just find most of it offensive, and I refuse to pretend otherwise. Anytime someone starts telling me that I'm not good enough, even when I make what I consider to be perfectly valid moral choices, then I get offended. Many, indeed most, religions are built around the principle of elevating their adherents above other people. There's a variety of reasons for this, most of them revolving around recruiting new people into a given religion, but the end result is a situation where someone achieves a state of perceived superiority and uses that position in an attempt to humiliate other people into joining their belief system.

The best part, of course, comes in situations much like this one; when the people of a given religion attempt to apply their morality, and the rules that apply to them, to people outside their own religion.

Note that I have nothing against faith, for the most part. I hold blind faith in contempt, but frankly everyone should do that, in my opinion. When religion is applied to faith, however, you are surrendering a degree of responsibility for making your own choices. You're buying into someone else's version of the truth, rather than finding your own.

To continue.

There's not a racist bone in my body. I could care less what the color of your skin is, or what particular genetic quirks you bring to the table.

I am, however, an unabashed culturalist, and I see no reason why I shouldn't be.

Not all cultures are created equal. You can dress it up any way you like, pretend that differences in local custom make certain practices permissible, but the truth remains that some cultures have utterly abominable practices, typically against their own people. Subjugation of women, slavery, mutilation. Horrific punishments for negligible crimes. The lists are varied and nearly endless, and I do not find it in me to respect these "cultural practices".
 
"The best part, of course, comes in situations much like this one; when the people of a given religion attempt to apply their morality, and the rules that apply to them, to people outside their own religion. "
People who do this, fuck them. Really.
I fully agree with what you've said Raes. Well said.
 
Methinks you need to go look up the definitions of "hateful" and "racist".

The proper descriptive words are "unapologetic" and "culturalist".

I don't hate religion. I just find most of it offensive, and I refuse to pretend otherwise. Anytime someone starts telling me that I'm not good enough, even when I make what I consider to be perfectly valid moral choices, then I get offended. Many, indeed most, religions are built around the principle of elevating their adherents above other people. There's a variety of reasons for this, most of them revolving around recruiting new people into a given religion, but the end result is a situation where someone achieves a state of perceived superiority and uses that position in an attempt to humiliate other people into joining their belief system.

The best part, of course, comes in situations much like this one; when the people of a given religion attempt to apply their morality, and the rules that apply to them, to people outside their own religion.

Note that I have nothing against faith, for the most part. I hold blind faith in contempt, but frankly everyone should do that, in my opinion. When religion is applied to faith, however, you are surrendering a degree of responsibility for making your own choices. You're buying into someone else's version of the truth, rather than finding your own.

To continue.

There's not a racist bone in my body. I could care less what the color of your skin is, or what particular genetic quirks you bring to the table.

I am, however, an unabashed culturalist, and I see no reason why I shouldn't be.

Not all cultures are created equal. You can dress it up any way you like, pretend that differences in local custom make certain practices permissible, but the truth remains that some cultures have utterly abominable practices, typically against their own people. Subjugation of women, slavery, mutilation. Horrific punishments for negligible crimes. The lists are varied and nearly endless, and I do not find it in me to respect these "cultural practices".



rac·ism
   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



Just because someone is a Muslim does not make them an extremist. The issue is from extremists in general that try to force someone how to be though terror. But when you Stereotype someone because of the beliefs that is wrong. When you say you care less of what the color of there skin and that makes you not a racist i don't think so. Get your facts straight. Culturalist = racist
 
rac·ism
   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



Just because someone is a Muslim does not make them an extremist. The issue is from extremists in general that try to force someone how to be though terror. But when you Stereotype someone because of the beliefs that is wrong. When you say you care less of what the color of there skin and that makes you not a racist i don't think so. Get your facts straight. Culturalist = racist

I believe he was referring to the culture of muslim extremists, or terrorists, though I could be wrong. Also, your statement implies that all people of a given race have exactly the same culture, which of course is not true.
 
rac·ism
   /ˈreɪsɪzəm/ Show Spelled[rey-siz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



Just because someone is a Muslim does not make them an extremist. The issue is from extremists in general that try to force someone how to be though terror. But when you Stereotype someone because of the beliefs that is wrong. When you say you care less of what the color of there skin and that makes you not a racist i don't think so. Get your facts straight. Culturalist = racist

You realize that the very definition you gave contradicted your own statement, right?

I mean, technically, I don't have to say anything to reply here and you've already proven my point for me.

In case you missed it, it's this part right here:
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races

Emphasis right there for you. In case you need it spelled out for you, the definition you just used in error states that a racist is someone who believes that racial differences account for cultural differences.

Ordinarily, I'd have let you figure that out for yourself, but since you used it incorrectly once already, I decided it might be best if I explained it for you.

And now for the other part.

At what point did I equate all Muslims with extremists? You might note, if you cared to read my posts rather than remain in your state of sanctified ignorance, that I've always been quite careful to delineate the difference between followers of Islam, and Fundamentalist Islamics.

I haven't stereotyped anyone.

What I have done, however, is laid out some of the fundamental principles of what an Islamic state entails, and that it is inherent in the religion to seek such a state. That's not stereotyping. That's educating those who might not know, as to what some aspects of Islam entail.

Now, there's a certain degree of, shall we say, mellowing amongst mainstream Muslims, which I find extremely encouraging. I equate this to the same sort of mellowing that ultimately overtook Christianity, albeit several hundred years later. I mean, if you follow certain translations of the Old Testament, wearing a cotton/poly blend is a stoneable offense.

But let us not kid ourselves.

Islam may be a religion of peace. It may be a religion that enjoins its followers to respect all religions. It may be any number of positive things, but it has a negative side. And even with the positive aspects, there is often a caveat, if you care to look at it closely.

And that, again, is why I don't particular concern myself over the possibility that I might offend someone on the basis of their religious beliefs. Except Taoists. They're cool.

There was a time when I knew more about Christianity, for example, than the vast majority of Christians I spoke to. I used to have theological debates with the Campus Crusade for Christ, simply because I actually rather like discussing religion, if only to make people squirm when they talk themselves into a corner about something they don't actually understand.
 
What about Shintoism and Buddhism? From what I remember from my world religion class, neither one of them has much of a negative side, if any at all.



Also, when did we get this: :immaletufinish: ( lol )
 
Man can you please use brief comments to sum up your opinion. I feel like I'm reading a whole religious bashing and it makes you sound like a racist.
 
Man can you please use brief comments to sum up your opinion. I feel like I'm reading a whole religious bashing and it makes you sound like a racist.

Why am I not surprised that this is the best you can come up with?

Cliffs Notes then, for the comprehension-impaired: Culturalism is different from Racism. Not all cultural practices are good. I don't worry about offending people with cultural practices I disapprove of.
 
Its not that I'm impaired i can read perfectly fine. At times i cant spell and i get your point i just like stiring up the pot I'm sure your not racist.
 
Since you need it dumbed down:

Premise 1:

Race and culture are NOT the same.

Premise 2:

Religion almost always, Judaism being a notable exception, transcends any racial distinction, but it does tend to define cultural boundaries.

Conclusion:

Speaking out against a particular religion, or religions in general, does not make you a racist.
 
Since you need it dumbed down:

Premise 1:

Race and culture are NOT the same.

Premise 2:

Religion almost always, Judaism being a notable exception, transcends any racial distinction, but it does tend to define cultural boundaries.

Conclusion:

Speaking out against a particular religion, or religions in general, does not make you a racist.

ya as you can see in my previous reply i did mention i don't think he is a racist just im new to this forum and cant immediately respond hopefully by the end of this discussion this will be fixed
 
Back
Top