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why is it.. that so far i've read three ranger hate threads where people poke and laugh at us.

are you so happy that now BLM's run the monopoly on dmg?
for those of you who dont play rng i wouldnt expect you to understand anything that i'm saying. so for you.... lets just say i'm speaking in arabic.

since lvl 30 all i wanted to do is play rng.
i loved the fact that you could shoot something from a far and be a asset to the team. i am taru, so dmg was never something i really got to see.
not until i reached 75... almost a 1/2 year ago or something like that.

i spend roughly 200k everytime i want to go exp.
sneak oils.
utsusemi
bullets
3 curries
and arrows.
i try to buy at least... 10 stacks of each ammo. i am the sky hermit :|

4 stacks of utsu
and 3 stacks of oils

i usually stay in sky for about 2-3 night before i have to recover my losses.

if i'm going to be doing 1/2 my dmg or so ... why can't prices of the ammunition be cheaper?

why still pay 16k for bullets when now, i'm going to be needing twice more to " git er done".

i'm also 4/5 on relic with bow/gun weapons.

not counting all my merits especially for ranger.

these people who are upset are not your rangers who lvled it for fun...

they are rangers who was rangers since they first exp in 30....

they live breathe and die rng.. whilst in game.

for people like me it means i'm going to have to take my sj BLM from 37 to 75 if i decide that ranger isnt up to PAR.

all i would like to say, not that i agree with the nerf... if your going to nerf my people ... make it balanced.

lower the prices on ammo, make af2 drop more like bst... and add new items like they did that rare/ex cock charm to make us a little better.

when a window closes a door opens.

i liked kagomei's picture of the rng turning into blm lol.


and i dont remember them ever nerfing PLD's
just think how it would feel to have everything you worked so hard to accomplish ripped right out under your feet... in a blink of a patch.

please excuse my bad english ;\ its not my first language.

syn real stig, the last of the mohicans.
valkyrs bish ;\ who ya tellin
 
Just one thing:

You can't expect ammo prices to go down overnight. And you can't expect SE to lower prices for you. This is a player-run economy. If every single bullet, bolt, or arrow you used was sold at NPCs, then sure, go yell at SE for not lowering ammo prices. But right now, all you can do is yell at the players that sell it.

But, I do think that ammo prices won't be very high for too long. With this nerf, I see quite a few people quitting RNG for other jobs. Maybe they go to BLM to be the "omgwtfdmg" job still. Maybe they're moving to another job to try something new, like PLD or WHM, or a DD melee. The people you see moving out of RNG just because SE nerfed the job aren't the "true" rangers. They're just the people that picked up the job for a fast ride to 75 and gods. The people that stick with RNG even through the pitfalls are the real rangers, that have pride for their job, not the damage they can pull out. And since there's going to be less RNGs out there, chances are ammo prices will drop soon. Maybe not in half, but still drop somewhat.

Also, look on the bright side: yes, SE closed one door for you. One thing you can't do any more is pull hate and tank with Utsusemi, since now you'll have horrible ranged damage if you do. So... maybe you don't need Utsusemi any more. Maybe SAM or WAR sub would work better. You can still do good damage with both, maybe more than you can with NIN sub now. You'll have to be a bit more careful with damage so you don't pull hate and kill yourself... but then again, every DD job has that problem.
 
PLD's got nerfed with the shield modification. Before when you got hit and your shield skill worked, it was like parrying, no damage was taken. Now a fraction of damage is removed. I personally think its worse because now they do take damage and the only time I notice a significant change in damage is on low level mobs. PLDs got over that nerf and quickly I might add. But why do you bring up the subject of PLDs in the first place? PLDs have nothing to do with rangers getting nerfed and if you are making the comparison with ninja(the most probable choice, since they are the only other tank), you should atleast mention them.
 
well blms may monopolize DD but they still have shit for defense 3-4 good hits from a mob and that blms ass is grass. and most cased whos gonna take a blm/nin in a pt. blm have to sub whm im 90% if situations in pts and if they dont they cant heal them self at all except for drain.
 
Lavi said:
PLD's got nerfed with the shield modification. Before when you got hit and your shield skill worked, it was like parrying, no damage was taken. Now a fraction of damage is removed. I personally think its worse because now they do take damage and the only time I notice a significant change in damage is on low level mobs. PLDs got over that nerf and quickly I might add. But why do you bring up the subject of PLDs in the first place? PLDs have nothing to do with rangers getting nerfed and if you are making the comparison with ninja(the most probable choice, since they are the only other tank), you should atleast mention them.
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Nice comparison....... :roll:
 
I am also curious as to the seriousness of the nerf. So far all the major people complaining are mostly level 75s(or close to it). If I am not mistaken these same people all traded in the +r.acc. gear they used up to the 70's for +str gear because most experience mobs at 75 are VT. Most melees at 75 don't use meat mithkabobs, they use sole sushi for the +att, str and acc. If they had their choice and didn't need to worry about acc, I am sure they would chose something else. Rangers use curries as you have stated and yet you expect the same level of accuracy that a melee does with +acc food? I don't understand really.

If you are losing all the accuracy, why not switch back to the accuracy gear and using acc food? I mean hitting more often is a lot better than hitting infrequently for more damage, isn't it? Or is the nerf more serious than that? Even with tons of r.acc gear and r.acc food, do you still miss significantly to become a useless job?

The only reason I say this is because I have seen some rangers, they complain about these issues and yet they do not adjust. Why? Because they want the maximum damage. The same reason they flocked to ranger in the first place. The big numbers and the only reason they are crying now. Because the big number disappeared. You can correct me if I am wrong but I really am not sure of what to make at the moment. I can agree ranger got nerfed, but as to whether it was really as huge as people make it out, I do not know. I will say this though, the changes to ranger were very poorly thought out. Ranger standing at a distance does seem like a good and natural idea; however, this messes with the mechanics of the game significantly to affect a wide range of jobs.
 
Wasn't a comparison. The OP said PLDs were never nerfed and I am just stating they were. I didn't suggest it was worse than ninja or ranger. I also asked as to why he would even consider mention it since he speaks of rangers and not ninja. I mean he could have mentioned whm for all it matters, I just don't see why he mention PLD.
 
Lavi said:
Most melees at 75 don't use meat mithkabobs, they use sole sushi for the +att, str and acc
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If your Exping on VT's and using Sushi for Attack and Str instead of using a kabob/steak/H.Pie/whatever, you aren't very smart.
 
here you are sir/maam.

Taurothar wrote:
I am sick and tired of seeing all of you whiney bitch-ass rangers who think this was brought on by all the "complaining melees" when I have yet to see someone complain about rangers EVER. I challenged on 3 other threads for a ranger to find a thread from before this announcement where a Melee was pissed about RNG being overpowered. Do it.

Stop bitching because you hafta spend "more money" to do things because it's 10x easier for you to make money than it is for a PLD or a DRK or a BRD, while 2/3 of those jobs aren't expensive, they farm for shit. I know as a PLD I can't kill anything fast enough to be considered effective farming unless it's 30 levels below me. Now RNG hafta bitch about not being able to farm except at a 30 level buffer, welcome to my world. I never bitch about my ability to solo anything because, honestly there are better ways to make money for each job, if you need to farm so bad, do what I was told to do by everyone, LEVEL THIEF. RNG have widescan, making it easy to camp NMs. Camping with a small team of 2-3 people you can easily get the claim with shadowbind on a very profitable NM.

Oh no, RNG can't solo for exp anymore. BIG FUCKING DEAL. If you want to solo exp, level BST. It's as simple as that. Also, what mobs did you solo for exp before? I know for a fact it wasn't anything other than worms, and since they're planted in the ground, you can stay at optimal distance anyway. I'm sure you'll say "but now I can't do that because my accuracy sucks" and you're a fucking retard if you say that. RNG have by far the most +Acc gear out there and you'd hafta be dumb for not using some of it.

Flame me all you want, but you know what, comparing this nerf to any PLD nerf you can think of is lunacy, because NIN still are gonna get picked before a PLD any day of the week unless the mob is a MNK type. Please, just quit your bitching about every little thing that's wrong with this update, and put your energy into working around it, or, heaven forbid, TRY SOMETHING NEW!


[[[[[[[[[[[For someone who isn't a ranger you sure have a lot of gaul. And what's funnier is your whinning about how your paladin job got nerfed well your flaming rangers. DRGs whinned when they got nerfed Paladins whinned when they got nerfed. Your more or less whinning right now. ^^]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]

read that last paragraph in the [
 
Actually, I'd pick the first person to reply, be it nin or pld, and I find both equally great. Might as well ask me if sam or war is better in a pt.


Anyways, my opinion on this rng "nerf", is that it really isn't as bad as it's made out to be. The rng will simply have to adjust, ok, maybe you won't don't 5000000 damage on mobs anymore, but in the end buddy, you'll still be doing more damage then that war over there. PT's won't care. But hey, all you rng out there crying.... honestly, if you're not going to stick it to rng go ahead and change already ands top whining. You're useless. Stick it out, or get out. I know some of you love rng to death.. ok, good, if that is true, you'd take it in the gut and continue, something like this shouldn't even phaze you, unless of course you are lying out your ass. you miss a ton? Go all raccu, sacrifice that damage to land more often. Honestly if I'm already paying money to do best DD damage, I'd still pay do to the same, even if it's harder for slightly less damage. Unless of course I was rng just for the fame and glory, then I'd probably quit. Oh well, servers are crowded enough, and xbox coming up. :)
 
kirin runs away... he never stays still... 30 dmg vs 100 dmg to kirin = 2 hours longer to kill

i am 75 i dont lvl.. not even for merits that often.
 
lol... welllll about time I take the old dusty trail now...













really though, I can't say I'm dissapointed about rng in ballista, too bad it just wasn't a ballista nerf. Then everyone could be happy.
 
you know S-E will probably change it sooner or later, don't give up yet =\ Good time to start working on another class to 75 tho
 
btw that dusty trail remark was from family guy <3 family guy


ontopic ...I'm still hating rng because it costs money to xp it so I can't hate the nerf yet lol
 
By the way, here's some food for thought for all the people saying that RNG should be the best because they spend money:

No, I'm not going to bring up the fact that melee spend a heck of a lot more on gear than RNGs do, and the only reason RNGs spend more is because of ammo. I'm going to talk about a party setup. See, in something like a single-player game, or a game that focuses on solo play, saying that job A is stronger but more expensive than job B works. That's because if you want to play job A, the game's fights will be easier, but you'll have to work more to get money. If you play job B, you won't need money as much, but the fights will be harder.

Now, let's look at FFXI. This is a game focusing on several players banding together to fight monsters for exp, which is a very large portion of the game's content. If there's a significant difference between job A and job B in terms of damage, the other players will almost always pick job A. Why? Simple: because even though job A is more expensive, the other five members of the party don't have to pay anything. They get all the benefits of job A (higher damage, faster kills, more exp, etc), without spending anything more than they would need to spend if they invited job B instead. But the party will be better with job A in it.

RNG and other jobs are a situation of cost vs reward. Higher cost for RNG, but higher reward as well. But when you can get all the reward of having a RNG in your party without paying the cost, things become imbalanced. Now, even though it's cheaper for me to level DRK than it is for you to level RNG, you probably get a lot more party invites than I do because you're a higher DD than me. That's why there's an imbalance that needs to be fixed. I don't completely agree with SE's method of fixing it (I do kinda wish the "sweet spot" for ranged weapons was a bit closer, out of melee range but not so demanding as it is now), but I do agree that there was a fix needed.
 
party starting in jeuno

Me leader=random melee job
healer
tank
refresher

two slots left to be open

me: what jobs should i get
everyone in unison(sp): are there any rng or blm?

now, you can axe the rng, its just "is there any blm?"

for everyone who was calling for balance, where is the balance now?

the balance you guys are seeking is not there, regardless of what you think. the only thing that happened is that ranger got demoted to the ranks of other melee(my drk included).

lets all not lie to ourselves, everyone wanted rangers in their pt, every cannon i ran, after all the tanks, and mages would send tells, "invite me next time".

you guys were all willing to ride the rng train when we carried you guys from 2k an hour to 6k+. sat back in your chair since fights never lasted long enough for you to do anything but pro/shell and the occasional erase or cure.

a question for the sethala

i think you have hauby, snipers, pretty good/great gear. do you like seeing the melee get a pt in front of you with nq 54 rings, no hauby, very mediocre/below par gear?
 
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