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The correct way to PL a craft without making yourself destitute is to go for the synths that are the least expensive, with ingredients easily attainable at your level.

I do not recommend camping the AH for materials and paying any price the farmers put up. Nor do I recommend selling all of your synths at and undercut price, that only hurts everyone... including yourself, in the long run. PL'ing your craft also means you really don't spend much time in the game doing anything but focusing on that craft. Weather it be constant mining and skilling up for gold/smith or what not, that's when you know someone is PL'ing a craft. Also, knowing what day (in game, of course) you're synth is strong to/weak to and the moon phases will assist you in skilling up, and producing high quality and consistant synths.

In my opinion, "Powerleveling" a craft is different than "Gilburning" a craft. Unless you have earned infinite wealth (like only a few people we know do) then my suggestion is to take it slow, and stick with synths that... again... have materials that are easily obtained at your current XP level. Boneworking and Leathercraft are good choices, so is Cooking.

Oh, and Gilburning a craft sucks, because you really don't learn the best way to utilize your experience, and... everyone can tell you did it. You usually leave a wake of economic destruction behind you and you're not going to make many friends. Gilburners... don't ask for help. :nono:

I'm going to say this very clearly... there is no point in getting to the top of a craft before you are ready. You're only going to make things harder for yourself, and you certainly won't get any respect by stepping on so many toes by Gilburning.

Some people may disagree, and it's their right to. But as for an educated and informative reply... there you have it.

If you have a passion for your craft and are smart about it, there really isn't anything that will stop you from getting high level without cheating as long as you are within your means.
 
Pandetech said:
sneakypants, if you look at the post before hers you will learn that she is simply defining a "pl of a craft" to me. i am not too familiar with craft pling so i thought this would be an appropriate place to ask. if you think you can give me a better definition, go ahead, just don't bash shai in the process, since she was kind enough to realize the question i was asking, instead of just ignoring it as you did.
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STFU...Again.
 
Lesbian? whoa nice.. are you fat? do you wear black gothic clothes? did you turn lesbian because your fat and you are unattractive and men dont dig you so you resorted of becoming a lesbian because some other confused fat chick decided you look somewhat not too disgusting looking? questions questions questions.
 
Pandetech said:
because there hasnt been a new post on there for like 2 days

another thing, you shouldn't be bashing her just because she's an idiot. the point is out of everybody here SHE was the one who tried to help me. also, if she doesn't know what she is talking about, then you tell me what pling a craft is. i mean, i thought she explained it pretty well, but if you think she doesn't know what she's talking about, prove me wrong. go, now tell me a clearer definition of pling a craft is.

one last thing, i wasnt "going after sneaky" i was "protecting shai because she was the only one in this room who even bothered to try and help me"
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All this discussion isn't needed. And I am certainly not the only one that pointed out Shai's mistakes. Can Shai not protect herself?
 
Sneakypants said:
All this discussion isn't needed. And I am certainly not the only one that pointed out Shai's mistakes. Can Shai not protect herself?
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check out the bill cower flame she posted, she dodges all the issues again.
 
meeze said:
check out the bill cower flame she posted, she dodges all the issues again.
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I saw that. It's even worse than this topic. Not touching it.
 
Sneakypants said:
All this discussion isn't needed. And I am certainly not the only one that pointed out Shai's mistakes. Can Shai not protect herself?
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i honestly don't know shai, i was simply showing you that shai was trying to help, and didn't deserve, nor need, your comments. and, as you clearly misread, somehow (since i clearly, and bluntly stated something that was in your quote) i was not going after you. i was merely questioning why people were deciding to be an asshole to her. she may be an idiot, but all you need to do is correct her. also, sneakypants, again i don't know her, and she doesnt know me. therefore, im not her bodyguard. she can surely protect herself, but she's probably trying to avoid this thread in fear of being bashed for simply making a suggestion.

and, please, show me where shai was wrong in her definition of pling a craft. that would be helpful.

by the way, just because you weren't the only one doing it, doesn't mean it's right. try again.
 
Pandetech said:
i honestly don't know shai, i was simply showing you that shai was trying to help, and didn't deserve, nor need, your comments. and, as you clearly misread, somehow (since i clearly, and bluntly stated something that was in your quote) i was not going after you. i was merely questioning why people were deciding to be an asshole to her. she may be an idiot, but all you need to do is correct her. also, sneakypants, again i don't know her, and she doesnt know me. therefore, im not her bodyguard. she can surely protect herself, but she's probably trying to avoid this thread in fear of being bashed for simply making a suggestion.

and, please, show me where shai was wrong in her definition of pling a craft. that would be helpful.

by the way, just because you weren't the only one doing it, doesn't mean it's right. try again.
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Did you read the original post?

She's been known for talking out of her ass on this board. The post responding to your question was ok, but this thread isn't about PL'n crafts, its about noobs acting like they know whats goin on and giving out bad info.
 
eheh, it's unbelievable how i must repeat myself over and over.

PEOPLE, HERE IS THE MESSAGE. I DON'T CARE IF SHE WAS WRONG, I AM ONLY PROTECTING HER BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED TO HELP ME. IF SHE WAS GIVING OUT FALSE INFORMATION, THEN CORRECT IT AND GO ON. HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT SOMETIMES DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE DESERVES TO BE BASHED INSIDE OUT.

okay, the concept is a little hard to grasp, but if it's still too complex, you can send me a P.M
 
Pandetech said:
eheh, it's unbelievable how i must repeat myself over and over.

PEOPLE, HERE IS THE MESSAGE. I DON'T CARE IF SHE WAS WRONG, I AM ONLY PROTECTING HER BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED TO HELP ME. IF SHE WAS GIVING OUT FALSE INFORMATION, THEN CORRECT IT AND GO ON. HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT SOMETIMES DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE DESERVES TO BE BASHED INSIDE OUT.

okay, the concept is a little hard to grasp, but if it's still too complex, you can send me a P.M
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This thread was moved to the FB cause she's a moron, realize where you are, and the point of the flame. It was made because she's a moron. You came in the middle of the flame and asked a question, doesn't change the fact that people are going to come in here and flame her.

If you wanted a place where she wouldn't be ridiculed, try not asking a question to her in a flame about her.
 
well finally i get it. thank you for helping me through this world of confusion.

okay onto my next question. IM NOT GIVING UP UNTIL I GET SOME ANSWERS

if you have enough money to pl, then why not be patient and take it slowly and at least earn a little money on the way? do i get this whole pling thing? is aol really number one? why do these headphones hurt my hears? are there actually aliens that abduct cows and bring them into the dungeons of their space ships and use their milk to power enrgy for their ship, since their home planet has been wiped out of mineral rescourses?

please, oh great one, provide me with something i don't know, for once. please.
 
Pandetech said:
i honestly don't know shai, i was simply showing you that shai was trying to help, and didn't deserve, nor need, your comments. and, as you clearly misread, somehow (since i clearly, and bluntly stated something that was in your quote) i was not going after you. i was merely questioning why people were deciding to be an asshole to her. she may be an idiot, but all you need to do is correct her. also, sneakypants, again i don't know her, and she doesnt know me. therefore, im not her bodyguard. she can surely protect herself, but she's probably trying to avoid this thread in fear of being bashed for simply making a suggestion.

and, please, show me where shai was wrong in her definition of pling a craft. that would be helpful.

by the way, just because you weren't the only one doing it, doesn't mean it's right. try again.
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You've missed things...Details. As a result, you are wrong.
Shut your damn mouth.
 
Pandetech said:
eheh, it's unbelievable how i must repeat myself over and over.

PEOPLE, HERE IS THE MESSAGE. I DON'T CARE IF SHE WAS WRONG, I AM ONLY PROTECTING HER BECAUSE SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CARED TO HELP ME. IF SHE WAS GIVING OUT FALSE INFORMATION, THEN CORRECT IT AND GO ON. HOWEVER, JUST BECAUSE SHE IS AN IDIOT SOMETIMES DOESN'T MEAN THAT SHE DESERVES TO BE BASHED INSIDE OUT.

okay, the concept is a little hard to grasp, but if it's still too complex, you can send me a P.M
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What's unbelievable is how much you've missed, and how far you take things without knowing what's going on at all.
Here's a quarter. That should be enough to buy you a clue.
 
Pandetech said:
i was merely questioning why people were deciding to be an asshole to her. she may be an idiot, but all you need to do is correct her.
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apparently you haven't read other flames or posts where she HAS been corrected yet continues on in her "dream" world where everyone else is wrong and only she is right. No matter how much one can try to correct her, she rarely (won't say never cuz I can't be sure she hasn't) admit she is wrong.

And you think you would learn not to ask a question where you will probably only get flamed for doing so. Let's go over THIS again... you're on the flame board. Don't expect answers. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT PL-ING A CRAFT ASK IN THE F-ING CRAFTING CORNER, NOT THE FLAME BOARD.
 
Shaidalyn said:
I'm 18 and I work as a temp I'm sure I could afford HUNDREDS of dollars to level some stupid game craft. Farming sucks, I've done 600+ hours of that and I think I've had enough.. and I dont like to fish.
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So you lied here? Twice.

You say you are 18 here, but 17 earlier in this thread. You say you farmed 600+ hours here, but you just wrote you were given items. Get your story straight then come talk to me.
 
Excim said:
The correct way to PL a craft without making yourself destitute is to go for the synths that are the least expensive, with ingredients easily attainable at your level.
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While I do agree with most of your post including the above...

Excim said:
I do not recommend camping the AH for materials and paying any price the farmers put up. Nor do I recommend selling all of your synths at and undercut price, that only hurts everyone... including yourself, in the long run..
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I heavily disagree with this part. As a 75bst I make good money. And my 75blm pulls in a good chunk of change every week as well. My alchemy is also now at 96.5. I'm thinking about taking my other crafts to 60. My next will probably be either bone or leather due to the amount of materials bst's are able to rip out of everyday mobs. However, being that I'm only lvl10 bone (and lvl 0 leather) I WILL be doing the opposite of what you said and will be buying the shit out of bone materials in the AH. Why? Because I can easily farm up a few hundred thousand gil in a day without even trying just skilling up scyth or working on merits for my bst. Not to mention I can turn a good profit on tons of alchemy related items.

Due to this fact, you will not find me in gusgen mines or anywhere else with low level skellies farming up bone chips. Hell no. Not when I can go get 5 or 10 spider webs in a few hours of work. When I make it to an unstackable item--say, giant femurs or something--sure, I'll teleport mea myself and hang out in buburumu, but that's a different story. I'm prepared to buy the hell out of bone chips in coming weeks. It wouldn't be cost efficent for me NOT to stalk the AH.

Your advice is fine if your just starting out a craft, but it doesn't fit the bill for everyone. I'm sure any other high-level player or crafter would agree with me though, so I'm basically just ranting because it's the end of the day and that's what I do.

Anyway, I don't see what all the fuss is aboot. My craft is my craft, your craft is your craft. People really seem to like to poke their noses in each other's shit around here when it's really none of their business.
 
Er, caught myself on something. I WILL stalk the AH on an item UNLESS it's sold by an NPC for cheaper prices and is readily available. I'm not gonna stalk an NPC for bonechips when he only sells 5 stacks a day and everyone fights over them when I can just sit in Jeuno crafting anima. Even if I might lose some extra money, it's also about convenience.
 
Pakomen: That was very nicely said.

Demonknightx: If it makes you feel any better I am not very good at HQ. I generally focus on synths that I can profit on by simply NQ. I have better over-all HQ results with alchemy (my sub craft) than cooking. The best guide I ever read regarding how to HQ (included no spoilers) is to chart your results. And to do so, you'd want to control all variables aside from the one you were testing (even the most simpilist).. i.e. Job/Lvl (They recommended a level 1 job that you generally would not use since the stats would remain constant.) the area, the direction, mooh phase, etc. Granted that takes a bit of time, dedication, and conviction that I don't have.

Sometimes you have to lose to win, so with that in mind.. practice. There is no cut and dry formula on what causes HQ and skill ups-- there is only theories and formulas that people have come up with that tend to work. Try different techniques. I've known people that can HQ even when skilling up. I only managed to do that with HQ desynth which I've heard is common. And honestly, cooking and fishing work well together but there's going to become a point where you're going to lean closer to one or another. I still have a stack of fish laying around that I need to synth up or sell.

Anyhoo, have fun.
 
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