Crafters: is it wrong.....

[Linhjah]

IRL, the 80 year old man who leaves you a dollar tip on a $30.00 check is ignorant. Yes, its insulting, but he doesn't mean to be insulting, he just doesn't know any better. This guy probably just didn't know any better, either.

 

[Brehn]

As a side thought: A lot countries outside of the US don't expect tipping to be the normal standard. (When they do, it usually has more to do with wanting to be like the US, than the need to make the difference between a sustainable income and minimum wage.) It's interesting to see a cultural difference like this spill over into the game and peoples reaction to it.

From my own cultural standpoint, if I said/implied that I crafted for free, and someone gave me 5k for the synth anyway, I would be pleasently surprised and think well of that person. Hey, it's 5k more than I had before and I wasn't expecting anything at all. It would be socially unacceptable for me to be offended or insulted by an insubstanial amount I didn't expect in the first place.

I can see why you would be offened. Though, with so many people from different countries playing this game, maybe this person doesn't share the same cultural identity as you.

 

[Blazeoffury]

IRL, the 80 year old man who leaves you a dollar tip on a $30.00 check is ignorant. Yes, its insulting, but he doesn't mean to be insulting, he just doesn't know any better. This guy probably just didn't know any better, either.

Standard tips are 15%, at least they are around here. Everyone knows it, it's also the amount that restaurant automatically take out on a group of like 7+. 15% isn't much, but damn, waiters/tresses don't make shit for their time, ignorance isn't innocence.

Crafters who busted their ass to get to 100, most likely lost a lot of gil, albeit the smarter ones lost less because they played the AH and didn't PL their craft. A lot of crafters are still trying to get back to a break even point, not all of them are anywhere near as lucky as Sanoske, nor do they have the financial means to have the chance to be that lucky. After all of their hard work, if they say free but you feel you 'must' tip them, be considerate about it.

 

[Linhjah]

As a side thought: A lot countries outside of the US don't expect tipping to be the normal standard. (When they do, it usually has more to do with wanting to be like the US, than the need to make the difference between a sustainable income and minimum wage.) It's interesting to see a cultural difference like this spill over into the game and peoples reaction to it.

From my own cultural standpoint, if I said/implied that I crafted for free, and someone gave me 5k for the synth anyway, I would be pleasently surprised and think well of that person. Hey, it's 5k more than I had before and I wasn't expecting anything at all. It would be socially unacceptable for me to be offended or insulted by an insubstanial amount I didn't expect in the first place.

I can see why you would be offened. Though, with so many people from different countries playing this game, maybe this person doesn't share the same cultural identity as you.

I think this is a really good point.

Standard tips are 15%, at least they are around here. Everyone knows it, it's also the amount that restaurant automatically take out on a group of like 7+. 15% isn't much, but damn, waiters/tresses don't make shit for their time, ignorance isn't innocence.

I used to wait tables. I'm very familiar with the industry. Everyone does not know it. Some people don't have any friends or family who have waited tables and don't pay attention at all to the signs posted around the building or their receipt for large parties to notice the 15% included gratuity. Some people are brought up differently. Some people just think that a tip is just a little something extra and don't understand that (unless the state has a law that prevents it) most servers make between $2 and $3 per hour and depend on those tips a hell of a lot more than the $15 paycheck they get for a 2 week payperiod.

Most bad tippers just don't know any better. I'm not saying it makes them innocent. Willfull ignorance is... irritating at best. But what good does it do to get all pissed off at the situation?

I'm not stating that this post was a bad avenue for that irritation. Like I said previously, I think its great because hopefully it will help educate a few people.

 

[Blazeoffury]

I think this is a really good point.


I used to wait tables. I'm very familiar with the industry. Everyone does not know it. Some people don't have any friends or family who have waited tables and don't pay attention at all to the signs posted around the building or their receipt for large parties to notice the 15% included gratuity. Some people are brought up differently. Some people just think that a tip is just a little something extra and don't understand that (unless the state has a law that prevents it) most servers make between $2 and $3 per hour and depend on those tips a hell of a lot more than the $15 paycheck they get for a 2 week payperiod.

Most bad tippers just don't know any better. I'm not saying it makes them innocent. Willfull ignorance is... irritating at best. But what good does it do to get all pissed off at the situation?

I'm not stating that this post was a bad avenue for that irritation. Like I said previously, I think its great because hopefully it will help educate a few people.

Friends/family or not, its common knowledge that waiters/essess dont even make near minimum wage.. if you dont know this then you are living under a rock. albeit on a good night (also depending on where you work) you can make 400-500$ a night, either way such a small tip is more then irritating, and as the thread states it is easily something to get mad over.

Also as I said, Ignorance is not an excuse at all, especially with all of the literature available, all of the signs posted, and the % taken out of a group, if you don't know it then you better expect to get bitched out.

 

[Nemico]

Thats different though as being a waiter you make under min. wage because tips are considered part of your pay. If you expect money for a synth best to state it before the transaction. Otherwise be grateful.