Craventigress

Icewolf said:
Are you fucking retarded? This flame is about HOW SHE DIDNT DO HER FUCKING JOB. The only reason I was an MP sponge was because of her. And you know what I hate? People defending someone just because they are a friend, If a friend of mine was flamed, I'm not gunna sit here and lie telling people its false, just because he/she is a friend. How I'm a hypocrit I still dont understand.
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Oh so it was HER fault you neglected to sub nin....
It was her fault you asked her to pull....
There are psychological terms for blaming your faults on others....
You point a finger at her saying she didnt do her job, how did you do yours right? Was it gimping yourself as puller? Or was it you refusing to pull and having tank pull? Or was your job to sit there and cry about everything?

I keep repeating your wrongs because you can't seem to get it in your head that you messed up too and have no right flaming because what you did was worse.

I wonder how many times you would not have gotten hit if you had shadows compared to how many times you woulda got hit if she voked faster. Seeing your fighting Colibris...shadows would have done you better. Maybe thats why I didn't have a problem with her voking...I didn't gimp myself and brought my nin sub.

So I guess this makes you the "fuckin retard"....wow this title fits you so well.
 
i dont know about this, I see the point in Jinxy's argument that Icewolfs sub caused the problem. However, PLds are given the tools to rectify that situation, i mean, if you want to argue that provoke and flash timers were down then a cure 3 or 4 would get the mobs attention. Dont PLDs have to deal with party setups that do not include a /nin puller from time to time?

So its the classic case of the chicken and the egg. which was at fault, the bad sub choice? or the PLDs inability to utilize multiple hate tools?

What i would like more clarification on is, how were the provoke timers not up if shes healing mp between each fight??? Isnt the first tick 15 seconds alone?
 
I don't think the point of the thread is that she was a lousy puller..rather than she's a lousy paladin for not provoking right away, and not provoking every 30 seconds after the timer is up. She's been flamed for it before.

Also, didn't Icewolf pull for first? I think he asked her to pull because she was taking so long to provoke after he pulled, that he would rather have her provoke pull instead of risking being damaged.

Why should he have to sub nin? It's possible that some RNG don't have NIN levelled for a sublevel (even though he did in this case, what happens when the pulled doesn't have NIN? Are they 'gimp' for it? I don't know. I don't play anything but PLD)
 
I was in a PT, and my friend in PT next to me had this kid in his PT. He was complaining cause he was using ginger cookies. Against colibri, it didn't sound so bad. Then he told me they just got there from Kuftal where he was using ginger cookies as well lolololol.

Checked him the other day, think he was 59, and ya, his gear would make the most care bearish mofo say "damn nigga go farm".
 
Zephayra said:
I don't think the point of the thread is that she was a lousy puller..rather than she's a lousy paladin for not provoking right away, and not provoking every 30 seconds after the timer is up. She's been flamed for it before.

Also, didn't Icewolf pull for first? I think he asked her to pull because she was taking so long to provoke after he pulled, that he would rather have her provoke pull instead of risking being damaged.

Why should he have to sub nin? It's possible that some RNG don't have NIN levelled for a sublevel (even though he did in this case, what happens when the pulled doesn't have NIN? Are they 'gimp' for it? I don't know. I don't play anything but PLD)
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I know I consider myself gimp when I dont sub nin. I can't imagine ever going into a pt w/o nin subbed knowing that I'm going to be pulling. My arguement on Craventigresses behalf is not from a friends point of view, I only know her from pts. But I do remember not having a problem with her voking. Sure they might not of always came right as soon as the mob was in distance...but thats why I put shadows up...makes leeway for others to err.
 
Zephayra said:
I don't think the point of the thread is that she was a lousy puller..rather than she's a lousy paladin for not provoking right away, and not provoking every 30 seconds after the timer is up. She's been flamed for it before.

Also, didn't Icewolf pull for first? I think he asked her to pull because she was taking so long to provoke after he pulled, that he would rather have her provoke pull instead of risking being damaged.

Why should he have to sub nin? It's possible that some RNG don't have NIN levelled for a sublevel (even though he did in this case, what happens when the pulled doesn't have NIN? Are they 'gimp' for it? I don't know. I don't play anything but PLD)
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I understand what you're saying here, but i think its also valid to say that for us who are reading this, his subjob choice is an issue, (and yes, RNG do typically sub nin). RNG can sub war for extra dmg, but doing this makes him more squishy when pulling. So the debate still lies with trying to decide which was more so the cause of the problem here, the subjob or the paladin.
 
Jinxy said:
I know I consider myself gimp when I dont sub nin. I can't imagine ever going into a pt w/o nin subbed knowing that I'm going to be pulling. My arguement on Craventigresses behalf is not from a friends point of view, I only know her from pts. But I do remember not having a problem with her voking. Sure they might not of always came right as soon as the mob was in distance...but thats why I put shadows up...makes leeway for others to err.
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What job are you? I pulled enough as DRK and SAM to know how to pull and get to camp with minimal damage taken. As PLD I also knew who was pulling and when I needed to get up. you have to adapt to different parties.

Most jobs gimp themselves by using /NIN, RNG SAM DRK DRG etc.
 
As a pld, how can you not be spamming your voke macro? She has no idea how to play pld if she isn't spamming voke. Simple as that. I would guess that I hit my voke macro every 10-15 secs for hours on end in good pt's. There is NO reason to not be using all your tools available to get faster XP. If you don't want to use the jobs tools, don't play the job.... Simple. :wink:
 
meeze said:
What job are you? I pulled enough as DRK and SAM to know how to pull and get to camp with minimal damage taken. As PLD I also knew who was pulling and when I needed to get up. you have to adapt to different parties.

Most jobs gimp themselves by using /NIN, RNG SAM DRK DRG etc.
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I'm THF/NIN on this character


I read a lil into that other flame thread...behold you once again see Icewolf being himself. Sounds like these 2 have an ongoing problem with each other and Icewolf is using this to belittle her more.
 
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meeze said:
you have to adapt to different parties.
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That includes adapting to a shitty tank. If your tank sucks, your options are to get shitty xp, swap sub to nin to save some mp, or rep the tank. Sounds like they opted for #1.
 
Jinxy said:
THF/NIN
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Always liked /WAR on THF, but I was geared for it. THF can also take advangate of DWII. RNG on the other hand only gets 10acc out of DWII, and with sushi, it doesn't make much of a difference. The only benefit is pulling for RNG, and that gimps them. You were talking about gimping yourself, that is it.
 
Rappa said:
That includes adapting to a shitty tank. If your tank sucks, your options are to get shitty xp, swap sub to nin to save some mp, or rep the tank. Sounds like they opted for #1.
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I dunno if the exp was that bad, said they were getting chain #5. Yeah I agree that when you do have a person in pt not doing job 100% you have to improvise and someone has to do their job over 100%.

Asking the tank to pull still gets me. If you are having problems with someone taking too long to do the duties they have....then why the hell would you add more responsibilities to that person? was it a "fuck it, she isnt doing her job...im not gonna do mine?"
 
so what's wrong with just using the pld af body? versus all of them
 
Jinxy said:
I read a lil into that other flame thread...behold you once again see Icewolf being himself. Sounds like these 2 have an ongoing problem with each other and Icewolf is using this to belittle her more.
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This may be true, but I was more or less referring to the OP, who had the same problem with her in a different party.
 
Khidir said:
so what's wrong with just using the pld af body? versus all of them
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already been covered, PLF af body is 60, she was 59
 
Khidir said:
so what's wrong with just using the pld af body? versus all of them
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Nothing, PLD AF body can and should be worn all the way to 73-75(depending on your relic and sky gear situation).... It appears the flamee didn't have her AF body. O.o;
 
motley said:
already been covered, PLF af body is 60, she was 59
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Areya said:
okay, craven was lvl 60, thus should have her af body (but did not), just to back up what icewolf was trying to say.
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She was 60.
 
Next time she's in my mule's ls she's getting taught about the bibiki shell quest and how to upgrade swords/earrings.
The rest of the ls has been alerted that she's hit 60 and doesnt have the centerpeice of all pld gear so that problem is probably going to be solved realatively soon since the af problems are mostly just bad timing from her asking when people are partying/afk ect and the cofferes being in (imo) two of the 3 most annoying places to get a coffer key and coffer from.
 
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