Dealing with a drug addict?

Myrrh do you really want your brother to fix this problem? You sure don't sound like it to me.

"My mom tried to guilt trip me", "I don't know the law so I don't know..."

Stop making excuses and take some kind of action.
 
I'm on hold with the police department right now. Calling to see if anything can be done.
 
yay for Myrrh!! *cheers* Q('-'Q) rah rah
 
Well, seeing as how I can't get a hold of anyone I'll try again tomorrow. I've been trying a local number not 911. It might be too late in the night to get any answers. I'll keep trying that number tonight though.
 
could take the approach i suggested

takes a bit of willpower to do what you dont want to do but i think it'd help
 
nah, I think it's better he's calling as he is, should call during the day. If things get really bad, call 911.
 
Only way to get him to stop doing that shit is if he wants to stop. If he wants to stop (which it doesn't sound like he wants to stop) he has to be disconnected from anyone or anything that has to do with drugs. There is no helping someone who doesn't want help. Send him to jail whatever but he will just get right back to it when he gets out.
 
I very much doubt he'd be back to drugs if/when he got out of jail if he goes. He's never had to fight through something before. My mom has bailed him out of everything so I think this would be a reality check for him. Either rehab, a good beating, or jail will fix him.
 
all three just to make sure :D
 
If you're his older brother, I'd suggest limited ass kicking. It's hard to snort through a broken nose. Break it and tell him he'd better not fucking snort again. You catch him, you break it again and you keep on breaking it until he learns. If he's the moron you say he is, the only way he's going to learn is if you kick his ass off the habit.

Obviously, you don't do this if he's high. In that case, you lock his butt in a room until he detoxes (obviously a room with little means for him to hurt himself).

I was gonna suggest this but he's covered it all lol.
 
I very much doubt he'd be back to drugs if/when he got out of jail if he goes. He's never had to fight through something before. My mom has bailed him out of everything so I think this would be a reality check for him. Either rehab, a good beating, or jail will fix him.

Man I wish it was that simple.. I have friends who have been to jail and still go back to it. Well they aren't my friends anymore. Rehab works for some people but I know more that have been to rehab and went back to their drug than have went and never done drugs again. You know your brother better than I do though so do what you think is best.
 
Cocaine...

If it was meth, I would suggest ass kicking. Banning him to his house and going out with you, and keeping him where you can watch him. Getting him involved in something to take his mind off of drug use, church, clubs, etc....

And most of all, ban him from seeing his friends, and make him make new, clean, nice ones. It's your dumb ass friends that get you into that, and its your dumb ass friends that keep you there.

Cocaine not so sure, I've heard it's a milder form of meth, but not really sure. Have alot of friends lost to meth, cocaine not so much, or at least not that I know of.

Your parents of course need to get involved too.
 
I very much doubt he'd be back to drugs if/when he got out of jail if he goes. He's never had to fight through something before. My mom has bailed him out of everything so I think this would be a reality check for him. Either rehab, a good beating, or jail will fix him.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess you've never been to jail. Matter of fact, I think we'll just refer to jail as Criminal School from here on out.

You know what happens when you put a bunch of criminals together? They talk about what they did to get where they are. They talk about mistakes they made and how they won't make the same mistakes next time. You play a lot of cards and generally be the same person with the same habits.

If you have money, there are plenty of drugs to be had in Criminal School. I know a guy that used to make money by shoving an Ounce of weed up his ass then going out and getting a Public Intoxication charge so he could go sell the ounce by the joint for as much as $400. He paid his rent more than once like that. In short, Criminal School does absolutely nothing to deter crime, and it's not the kind of place you want to send your little brother, even if he is a stupid jackass.

If he goes there, especially due to you contacting the police, you have lost your little brother. He will hate you forever and consider it your fault. This is a delicate situation and I know I am repeating myself, but... Addiction is a disease.
 
I'm sorry to hear that your little brother has a problem. I looked up a couple resources for (what may be) your area, based on the location you had in your profile. There are a few e-mail addresses and phone numbers for addiction centers that will be able to work directly with you and your reluctant mother, to help your brother. I wish you the best of luck.

http://www.afm.mb.ca/

http://wpl.winnipeg.ca/library/childrens/teensresource.asp

http://winnipeg.ca/police/AboutTheService/contact_us.stm
 
Myrrh, I'm really... really sorry that you and your family have to go through this. It's never pretty.

When I first started reading this thread, my response would have been completely different were it a friend of yours. This is your brother, your little brother, so this has to be dealt with delicately as he is family.

First, I can say that seclusion is effective. Let him live there, let him eat and sleep there. Not speaking to him will drive him batty, especially if you're a tight-knit group. For a more direct approach, speak to him about it. Not that hard-ass older brother shit, the genuine fear and concern. Let your emotions show. Yell, scream, cry, what ever it takes if that will get through to him. Do it when your parents aren't around if you're afraid they'll try to shelter him from it. Interventions work pretty well. If he's got some friends that are opposed to his current behavior, that can work too.

The effects of such a meeting will not be instantaneous, but gradual. That's how it worked for me. Coke, is a very.. VERY addictive drug. I was in the scene, and while not participating in that specific medium, I had friends that got into it. One, is dead. The high with coke lasts a very short time. That's why they use so often, to try and keep that high going. He got fed up with coke and started trying heroine. Depending on the amount, your high can last a while. He passed out, knocked the candle over in his room after removing the tournicate on his arm and set his bedroom on fire; dieing in the blaze. One, is financially devistated, which is why he can no longer use. He pines for the feeling of being high, he's one we still worry about. When he gets back on his feet, we have no idea if he'll use again or not. He says he won't because thats what put him there in the first place, but all of his 'fondest memories' are having to do with its usage and the after effects. One, stopped because he was confronted by family and friends (most of us after we'd figured our mutual experiences with the scene had died down, or become too out of control to continue down that path) and he gradually quit. He's a complete pothead now, but thats way better than anything coke could provide his future.

With my particular experience, I was confronted by family. They are what means most to me. No matter how hard I fight with them, how much I say I despise them or cannot stand them; I would jump in front of a bullet for one of them anytime. It was a hard conversation. My mother, father, brother and sister were there. They didn't know what I was doing, but my erratic behavior (and past experiences with drugs from my father and mother both) led them to correctly assume that 'something was amiss'. It also helps when your older brother (mine, case-in-point) goes to your dealer and threatens to end his life in the most unpleasant of ways with 4-5 of his largest, toughest friends.

If he's about the age I was (18-19), he's going to be extremely rebellious, feeling his independance and not 'giving a fuck' what anyone thinks because he 'knows whats best for him' and no one else. Its a hard road, but if you keep at him, and let him know its only because you love him, you will succeed.

Best of luck to you. I know you have people closer to you to talk to, but if you ever need an ear or a shoulder, feel free to use mine.
 
Hey Myrrh, sorry to hear about this. Well 1st off, a lot of ideas have been thrown out there for you. I've done quite a few different drugs in my time, but I have cleaned up except for some grass and beer once in while. Because of that, some of the ideas I agree with and some I don't, mainly because of his age.

Kicking his ass or having the cops throw him in jail will get you nowhere. Same with any kind of guilt trip, it does more harm then good. 15-21 is a rebellious stage for kids. They are trying to find themselves and are easily swayed one way or the other.

The idea was given to do some activity you both enjoy and talk about it. This is the first step. You may have to try a few times to get through to him but keep trying and it will show him you care. He might be seeking a release from reality that the drugs provide him. A fun activity for you both can be that type of release. This first step is crucial. You just need to get him to open up to you about his use and maybe be able to find out why he's doing them. DO NOT try to get him to admit he has a problem at this point. Forcing him to do anything he's not ready for will only set you back.

You may want to find a couple of 12 step programs or a treatment center where you can get information. Educate yourself so you can help educate him because he might not know what the drugs are doing to him besides catching him a buzz.

After you have him talking to you about the problem, you might want to think about taking him to a 12 step meeting like Narcotics Anonymous. Don't force him to go to one, but just ask him to go to one with you. Go with him, sit next to him, be there for him. There you'll here stories about people's use and why they dont use anymore. Most of the people that go to those meetings are remorseful for something that happened when they were using. These are horror stories that will make him think about his own use.

Keep your parents in the loop. They need to be supportive of you and for your brother. If you are going to take on the challenge of helping to get him straight, you are going to need some support too.

You mentioned he might be trying to be like your older brother. If your older brother is a user and your little bro hangs with him, it will make your attempt to help almost void. Make sure he's not the one supplying it for him either. I got started because my brother was my hookup so i know how it works.

Friends and family are going to be your greatest assets in this so just remember you're in it together. Be supportive of each other and of him.

FYI Coke gives you a high that is fast to the top and short in duration. You must do more and more each time to get the same high. You have transmitters in your brain that send signals to each other by using a chemical in the brain. There is only so much of that chemical you can use before it's gone. It comes back over time but with prolonged use it can take a week or longer to come back to full amount. That chemical is what's responsible for you to experience joy. When you run out, the drug is the only thing helping with that. When you come down from prolonged use you go into a deep depression. Nothing you experience makes you happy. When the chemical starts coming back, things will get better. I've personally been in that depressive state for a week+ and it's not a fun place to be. Try to remember this, so if he decides to give it up, you'll want to be there on a moments notice to make sure he doesn't go back. He'll want to feel that joy again, but he won't find it without the drug. Over time he'll find it, but like all things, it takes time.

Myrrh, if you ever need anything, don't hesitate to say something. I'll keep you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.

Peace,
Shmedly
 
but... Addiction is a disease.

I'm going to qoute trippy again, this is the most true statement made in this thread.
addiction is indeed a disease that needs to be treated medically/psychologically/spiritually. Most insurance companies would have you think otherwise because of the high cost of treating addiction and the high relapse rate. addiction is in a way an allergy to drugs some can use occasionally and suffer no ill affects, others once they start there is no stopping and no folks IT IS NOT A WILL POWER THING
Addiction is now recognized in medical journals as a disease how do you will a disease away? cancer cant be willed away Ms cant, high blood pressure cant they need to be treated. addiction once treated does not go away daily maintenance is needed to avoid relapse IE:at 1st detox, then rehab 30days min more if possible recovery house for 6 months to a year and attendance in a 12 step program.Myrrh i speak from personal experience this not a suggestion from some teenager <no offense guys> but the experience of a 44 year old man who has been through it although alternative methods have worked for some they are in the minority what i posted above works for the majority. PUTTING DOWN THE DRUG IS NOT THE SOLUTION FOR THE ADDICT BUT A START ,TREATMENT AND DAILY FOLLOW UP IS NEEDED TO OVERCOME ADDICTION.
the other thing in previous posts that rings true is this will only work when he is willing and ready to stop, intervention from family and close friend might be the catalyst that starts the process Myrrh you and your family are in my prayers and pm if you like ill give you my number and will be glad to offer help
 
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You may want to find a couple of 12 step programs or a treatment center where you can get information. Educate yourself so you can help educate him because he might not know what the drugs are doing to him besides catching him a buzz.

After you have him talking to you about the problem, you might want to think about taking him to a 12 step meeting like Narcotics Anonymous. Don't force him to go to one, but just ask him to go to one with you. Go with him, sit next to him, be there for him. There you'll here stories about people's use and why they dont use anymore. Most of the people that go to those meetings are remorseful for something that happened when they were using. These are horror stories that will make him think about his own us started


Peace,
Shmedly


i missed this while reading and i agree with one exception, its not all horror stories you will also hear about the joys of living life on its own terms and how addiction can be arrested <unfortunately never cured> but this will help if he is willing
 
i missed this while reading and i agree with one exception, its not all horror stories you will also hear about the joys of living life on its own terms and how addiction can be arrested <unfortunately never cured> but this will help if he is willing

Very true, they are not all horror stories. The stories that got them into recovery are more of the "horror" stories I was talking about. Most people that I encountered in 12 step programs and treatment programs spoke very highly of the life they had gotten back thanks to getting into a recovery program.

I agree with your post about it being a disease, and only by daily maintainence, will he ever know freedom from the drugs.

Peace,
Shmed
 
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